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I am serious about Bynum. He clearly has a long way to go but if he develops at this rate, he is averaging a double double and 3 blocks a game, then he could surpass Howard.

How??? I pray that you're just joking. I know Lakers fans are generally bastards and deluded, but this is crazy.

Bynum is averaging 11/10/2. That's two blocks not 3 (2 is still very good, not saying it isn't). Howard is averaging 23.6/15/2.6

Yes Howard plays more mins, but he is far ahead of Bynum on practically all aspects of the game. He is nowhere near a good an athlete as Howard, nor is he as physical or just plain strong. They're both around the same age, Bynum hasn't a chance of catching up to Howard. Howard is looking to dominate at the C position for years to come while Bynum is spot starting for a Lakers team with no frontcourt.

Howard is light years ahead of him.

Don't even get me started!
 
I am serious about Bynum. He clearly has a long way to go but if he develops at this rate, he is averaging a double double and 3 blocks a game, then he could surpass Howard. Lebron is ahead of Howard in the race for MVP imo.

There is no way Bynum will be a better player than Howard, that's just not gonna happen
 
no way is bynum going to be better than howard, DE, you have to be joking mate.
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How??? I pray that you're just joking. I know Lakers fans are generally bastards and deluded, but this is crazy.

Bynum is averaging 11/10/2. That's two blocks not 3 (2 is still very good, not saying it isn't). Howard is averaging 23.6/15/2.6

Yes Howard plays more mins, but he is far ahead of Bynum on practically all aspects of the game. He is nowhere near a good an athlete as Howard, nor is he as physical or just plain strong. They're both around the same age, Bynum hasn't a chance of catching up to Howard. Howard is looking to dominate at the C position for years to come while Bynum is spot starting for a Lakers team with no frontcourt.

Howard is light years ahead of him.

Don't even get me started!

There is no way Bynum will be a better player than Howard, that's just not gonna happen


Firstly with Kobe in the Lakers team most of the teams offense will be channelled through him whereas Howard is Orlando's go to guy so points scored is a stat that can be misleading.

secondly Bynum is 2 years younger than Howard and is also averaging 12 minutes per game less, so the stats you quoted of 11-10 compare well to howards 23-15. Consider also that Bynum is a better free throw shooter although not by much and commits less turnovers though the minutes may be a factor in that.

Also Bynum has drastically improved his inside game and if he starts to dunk as much Howard instead of going for the lay-up he will only get better. Bynum is also taller and heavier than Howard.

Give it time. I am not saying Bynum will definitely overtake Howard but the potential is clearly there.
 
Firstly with Kobe in the Lakers team most of the teams offense will be channelled through him whereas Howard is Orlando's go to guy so points scored is a stat that can be misleading.

secondly Bynum is 2 years younger than Howard and is also averaging 12 minutes per game less, so the stats you quoted of 11-10 compare well to howards 23-15. Consider also that Bynum is a better free throw shooter although not by much and commits less turnovers though the minutes may be a factor in that.

Also Bynum has drastically improved his inside game and if he starts to dunk as much Howard instead of going for the lay-up he will only get better.
Bynum is also taller and heavier than Howard.

Give it time. I am not saying Bynum will definitely overtake Howard but the potential is clearly there.

That is completely untrue, you don't have to dunk to be good in the paint you just have to take it up strong, if you do that you'll get the hoop and the harm, and believe me it's a lot easier to lay a ball up in traffic than it is to jam it.
 
That is completely untrue, you don't have to dunk to be good in the paint you just have to take it up strong, if you do that you'll get the hoop and the harm, and believe me it's a lot easier to lay a ball up in traffic than it is to jam it.

Which in most cases means dunking it. I know what you are trying to say and yes in some cases it is easier to lay a ball up than to dunk it but for someone as big as Bynum is the dunk needs to become a bigger part of his arsenal. For Howard to have more than double the number of dunks than most other centers shows that it is the true mark of a dominant center.
 
Firstly with Kobe in the Lakers team most of the teams offense will be channelled through him whereas Howard is Orlando's go to guy so points scored is a stat that can be misleading.

secondly Bynum is 2 years younger than Howard and is also averaging 12 minutes per game less, so the stats you quoted of 11-10 compare well to howards 23-15. Consider also that Bynum is a better free throw shooter although not by much and commits less turnovers though the minutes may be a factor in that.

Also Bynum has drastically improved his inside game and if he starts to dunk as much Howard instead of going for the lay-up he will only get better. Bynum is also taller and heavier than Howard.

Give it time. I am not saying Bynum will definitely overtake Howard but the potential is clearly there.

I'm not trying to be picky or anything with you, so don't take offense, but seriously, there is no way this is even close.
Howard is not Orlandos first option on offense, Lewis is. They didn't give him a max contract to be second option. I'm not saying Howard is an offensive beast, in fact he gets most of his points off offensive rebounds and dunks, but he is still ahead of Bynum. 11/10 do not compare well to 23/15, that is double the points and 1.5x the rebounds. Bynums rebounding may go up 1, max 2 in that extra 12 minutes. Rebounding isn't something that a player generally improves on with time. Bynum will never average 23 points a game simply because he's not dominant enough, certainly not while next to a superior offensive player.

Bynum will never dunk as much as Howard (I don't see this as a good point as it's fairly irrelevant) as he isn't athletic or strong enough to power through and up like Howard can. Dwight is a freak of nature. Bynums no slouch but he's not in Howards league physically.

Do you expect Bynum to improve to 23 ppg within the next two years? Not to mention Howard has plenty of room to improve also and is still very young. I can't see Bynum ever catching up to Howard. Go on to any Lakers site and make a thread asking this same question and even from the most biased fans you will only get one answer : Bynum.
 
DE, howard is still a young guy and as bynum improves, so will howard. As of right now, bynum cannot even be compared to howard. When and If bynum makes the west all-star team then and only then imo can he be compared to howard. Bynum has long ways to go imo.
 
I'm not trying to be picky or anything with you, so don't take offense, but seriously, there is no way this is even close.
Howard is not Orlandos first option on offense, Lewis is. They didn't give him a max contract to be second option.
I'm not saying Howard is an offensive beast, in fact he gets most of his points off offensive rebounds and dunks, but he is still ahead of Bynum. 11/10 do not compare well to 23/15, that is double the points and 1.5x the rebounds. Bynums rebounding may go up 1, max 2 in that extra 12 minutes. Rebounding isn't something that a player generally improves on with time. Bynum will never average 23 points a game simply because he's not dominant enough, certainly not while next to a superior offensive player.

Bynum will never dunk as much as Howard (I don't see this as a good point as it's fairly irrelevant) as he isn't athletic or strong enough to power through and up like Howard can. Dwight is a freak of nature. Bynums no slouch but he's not in Howards league physically.

Do you expect Bynum to improve to 23 ppg within the next two years? Not to mention Howard has plenty of room to improve also and is still very young. I can't see Bynum ever catching up to Howard. Go on to any Lakers site and make a thread asking this same question and even from the most biased fans you will only get one answer : Bynum.


Lewis has less PPG and FG attempts per game so I don't know what you are basing that claim on. Of course 11/10 does not compare to 25/15 but do you honestly think that rebounding figure wouldn't be extremely close if Bynum played 12 minutes more? bynum will never average 25 points a game as long as Kobe is a Laker. that is just the way it is and is not a reflection of his offensive prowess.

You guys seem to be getting the wrong idea, i am not saying Bynum is or will be better than howard, I am saying he could be.
 
Lewis has less PPG and FG attempts per game so I don't know what you are basing that claim on. Of course 11/10 does not compare to 25/15 but do you honestly think that rebounding figure wouldn't be extremely close if Bynum played 12 minutes more? bynum will never average 25 points a game as long as Kobe is a Laker. that is just the way it is and is not a reflection of his offensive prowess.

You guys seem to be getting the wrong idea, i am not saying Bynum is or will be better than howard, I am saying he could be.

You never no until it happens a lot of the bench players in the NBA quite impressive stats over 48 minutes, but they can't handle playing more in the game because they are a liability, etc. I'm not saying that about Bynum, but a lot of centers do tire quite rapidly so you just can't say that his stats would translate to whatever if he played more. Also he has Kobe chucking up shots like it's no ones business and although Kobe is a great shooter, he is still gonna miss half of them, so all you really have to do to be a good rebounder on the Lakers is pay attention to when Kobe gets into a shooting postion, which is anywhere, hiergo just be ready to rebound
 
IMO Bynum is better in the post than Howard. Howard has no real go-to move except dunking it. But thats about all Bynum has on Howard.


Greg Oden or Dwight Howard?
 
IMO Bynum is better in the post than Howard. Howard has no real go-to move except dunking it. But thats about all Bynum has on Howard.


Greg Oden or Dwight Howard?

Dwight Howard, Oden is going to have injuries his whole career he just seems way to brittle for a man of his age, that said he looks like Lebron James' grandfather
 
Oden hasn't even played in the NBA yet so to compare him to anybody is pontless. Lakers lost to the fecking clippers today. A game we really should have won.
 
Oden hasn't even played in the NBA yet so to compare him to anybody is pontless. Lakers lost to the fecking clippers today. A game we really should have won.

Actually there is an apt comparison, who he reminds me of Bill Walton, talented as anyone but couldnt stay healthy, I believe he had brittle bone disease, I don't know about Oden but he hasn't been healthy since even before he signed for Ohio State
 
I would go so far to say that when comparing ages, Kobe is better than Jordan at relative years and stages in their careers.

I would also state that Kobe's 81 point game (and his 62 point game in 3 quarters vs Dallas) are a better performance than Chamberlain's 100 point game. A perimeter player scoring is more difficult than a low post player. The league is more talented than in Chamberlain's era and the dynamics of the game have changed (although I feel the best era of the league was from mid-80s through late 90s and the NBA is in a decline).

but jordan dropping 60+ on the Tic in the playoffs is better than both. much better player at any age than kobe - once voted best offencive and defencive player in the same season. never won a title with the dominate big man in the game. I'm not a huge NBA fan but that 63 i think was v the team that went on to win it all and in the playoffs during those 80's years your on about.
 
Why is there so little mention of the Celtics in this thread? Also, what has happened to Miami?
 
The Miami heat have had their protest of a loss to Atlanta upheld, making it the first time in 25 years that it has happened. Shaq was incorrectly ejected after fouling out, although he only had 5 fouls at the time, thus they are gonna replay the last three minutes of the game before their next game together. Interesting stuff, very rarely do you see the league actually do the right thing.
 
The Miami heat have had their protest of a loss to Atlanta upheld, making it the first time in 25 years that it has happened. Shaq was incorrectly ejected after fouling out, although he only had 5 fouls at the time, thus they are gonna replay the last three minutes of the game before their next game together. Interesting stuff, very rarely do you see the league actually do the right thing.

are you serious or you on a wind up?
 
Andrew Bynum who has been playing very well lately, is injured and out for a couple on months
 
Bynums injury will hurt us. Kwame Brown is a spaz. The trade to bring him to LA was as spastic as it gets.
 
Bynums injury will hurt us. Kwame Brown is a spaz. The trade to bring him to LA was as spastic as it gets.

Yeah funny thing is you could use a player like Butler these days, and didnt he get a lot better in DC as well
 
I get your point but for Kwame feckin Brown ?! I still have nightmares about it. Imagine a 5 of Bynum,Odom,Butler,Kobe and Fish. We would become instant contenders.