Of course, but I'm not going to base my opinion off of what other people are saying. I will always have my own independent opinion based on what I know and what I've seen. Fans are far from experts and I'll never judge a player from clips.
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Of course, but I'm not going to base my opinion off of what other people are saying. I will always have my own independent opinion based on what I know and what I've seen. Fans are far from experts and I'll never judge a player from clips.
He didn't say anything out of that sort. He said that ex players can tell better about the players character which is fair point.
You, on the other hand seem insistent that we shouldn't listen to ex-players because they've a track record of poor buys which due to Ronaldo's example was pretty nonsense.
In terms of gauging their attitude and mentality. Yes we should consider the opinion of people who know these players personally and have trained with them. A scout is not in the training ground with Collins like Fletcher was. It's not just scouts, the recruitment in general has been poor. SAF and Gill always assessed and found out what players were like as people.
I love how heated the debate is over this lad.
About 2 people on this forum have seen him kick a ball and chances are both saw it on YouTube.
Don't p*SS yourselves either way, we have not signed him yet but if we do it'll be relatively cheap anyway, about half the value of a noodle or Tyre deal.
The expertise never fails to astound though, especially the ones that are writing him James and Longstaff off in the same sentence having seen two YouTube clips and read a Swansea forum
About 2 people on this forum have seen him kick a ball and chances are both saw it on YouTube.
Don't p*SS yourselves either way, we have not signed him yet but if we do it'll be relatively cheap anyway, about half the value of a noodle or Tyre deal.
The expertise never fails to astound though, especially the ones that are writing him James and Longstaff off in the same sentence having seen two YouTube clips and read a Swansea forum
I formed my own opinion based on what I saw and it was pretty much summed up by posts I read on the Swansea forum. I can judge players from clips, doesn't mean im right but you can get an idea of what a player brings to the table at their best since thats what those clips focus on
Clips remove context of the game, the opponent, the tactics, the circumstances. They do very little for me.
You do realize we could cherry pick fan comments from any forum to make any player look good or bad?
They do have a track record of poor buys and I mentioned the examples of Miller and Fitouri . Which ex player has unearthed a gem of player who united signed and became a success? Were United already scouting Ronaldo before that friendly or were they not?
I didn't cherry pick in the James thread, I offered views from different sides and provided the link for people to see for themselves
Do you believe that the club weren't scouting Miller and Fitouri before? Heck Fitouri was just a punt for u23 squad. The ex players word is just an added endorsement. The scouts get it wrong everywhere in the world.
Again more than happy to sign him just can't be part of one of the 5 we need to sign for next season. As an extra sure.
Who in here has ACTUALLY watched the guy play? I want to know if he has pace or is as slow a Blanc/Mertesacker?
How have people already decided he's not good enough? There's not even any youtube videos of him. Feck, people are negative.
great, I did see that he was part of England U17 squad too so hopefully he got some decent experience there.
I doubt anyone has seen him, so we must trust fletcher and scout opinions
Indeed. I hope he has pace. I like CBS with that kinda height.
He's not a Blanc or Mertesacker but no he's not particularly fast either. I haven't seen him play in around a year but he used to be one of those players who had trouble with small nippy players because he took a while to get into his stride. Doesn't look particularly slow over longer distances but can look a bit cumbersome in terms of acceleration over short distances but he may have improved in this over the past year as his strength developed.
In terms of players that Redcafe knows next to nothing about, I'd guess he's somewhere between Sean Longstaff and Daniel James.
Struggling to get whatever point you are trying to make in these threads. Should they just not buy anybody because previous scouts have signed badly?
Freely admit I have never seen this guy play but it's worrying how we're trawling Championship teams for players. Happy to be proven wrong and maybe Stoke have unearthed a gem but their academy is generally crap.
When you buy a player and loan him back to the club there ceases to be any incentive for that club to prioritise the players development though. Especially when it's a player so early in his development. If you don't get him here quickly and let him make friends he likely won't bond with the club as well.
They finished the season 2 points behind our u23s
What, 6th in division 2? Finishing 2 points behind one of the worst U23 sides weve ever had is hardly something to write home about. Stoke have had pretty much zero top class academy graduates.
Looks like a CB McTominay clone
He’s Irish though so get him in ta feck!
He’s Irish though so get him in ta feck!
So Fletcher just so happened to be playing at a lower division club that has a player who is capable of playing for United in its youth ranks.. great, seems Lady Luck was shining on us for once.
“You can’t win anything with Championship players”
Shopping in tk max it seems this summer.
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Stoke fans haven't seen much of him but everyone thinks he's looked really good when he did play.
I don't know much about him niether does any one really, only the stoke staff. He maybe one for the future? But we need a top cb.
Stokes best defender over the past 10 years was a player we deemed not good enough for us. Now we have our eye on one of their reserves. Ironic.
No idea if he's good enough but the kid turned 18 a few weeks ago and you can't really hold Stoke not developing players against him.
Also, if we'd signed Nzonzi, their actual best defensive player (DM but overall) coming off his best season at Stoke, like Sevilla did, for 7M in 2015, we'd have avoided paying 40M for Matic 2 years later and had 2 more years of solid DM play.
Well to be fair, our scouts may do just that, but our rivals wouldn't I agree.
Nzonzi was deemed not good enough by most of the Caf if I recall. But yes it just sums up the farce we have been for some time, plenty of teams have made signings much better than us but most of us fans seem to have an excuse or answer for everything regarding us.
This place will be golden when people realize we are only signing young, hungry players this year.
No way we will sign all these youngsters as well as a handful of first teamers.
Those days are gone and ain’t coming back for a long time so buckle up and buy some popcorn
No way we will sign all these youngsters as well as a handful of first teamers.
Those days are gone and ain’t coming back for a long time so buckle up and buy some popcorn
I quess Fletcher if he recommend this kid know a little bit about CB having played with a few of high playing and mental standard. We once signed a tall English defender from Middlesborough in Gary Pallister and he did turn out rather good. At least this kid seems impressive and I´m all for trying these signings. I´ve had enough of Rojo and similar players.
From the compilation he looks like he belongs exactly where he is. Hoof ball.