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Can anyone say something or does anyone know something about Nani's work ethic?
I can't grasp what has become of him. Once, he was a marvelous player with the prospect of getting even better.

Suddenly he turns shite. Is it because he earned already too much? Is it because he lost his motivation? Is ist because he thought he was good enough? Now, I'm thinking he could've been home sick.
 
sullydnl said:
Wow, a few months good form for a smaller club and Nani is suddenly being compared favourably to Robben and Di Maria? That only makes sense if you ignore the last several years of football.
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Which, in turn, only makes sense if you ignore the several years prior (and also ignore the fact that that time period, 2010-2012, is the one that is being used when making said comparison.)
 
Can't fault his attitude in regards to his loan move though. Some of our other loanees have already declared they don't want to return.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I would think it's safe to say he's not the most psychologically robust of footballers. A little bit fragile, mentally.

Always seemed to be very fit and works hard on the pitch, so you can't accuse him of lacking work ethic.
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This. Although more than a little bit, I reckon - he might be one of the most mentally fragile players I can remember watching at the club. Supremely talented but just doesn't seem able to handle the pressure at United at all.
 
UweBein said:
Can anyone say something or does anyone know something about Nani's work ethic?
I can't grasp what has become of him. Once, he was a marvelous player with the prospect of getting even better.

Suddenly he turns shite. Is it because he earned already too much? Is it because he lost his motivation? Is ist because he thought he was good enough? Now, I'm thinking he could've been home sick.
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He's playing every week now. Before? Not so much.

He's healthy now. Before? Always injured for some mysterious reason.

His fans love him now. Before? He wasn't consistent enough, supposedly, tho' if you look at the players we have now, you have to wonder if the word "consistent" means what people think. [Maybe they're consistently not performing?]

Sporting wants him to shine. Before? We wanted him to defend, or pass the ball to someone else.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I would think it's safe to say he's not the most psychologically robust of footballers. A little bit fragile, mentally.

Always seemed to be very fit and works hard on the pitch, so you can't accuse him of lacking work ethic.
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He's never had stamina problems, is by far the most agile, quick feeted player in the team as well as probably having the best acceleration and being one of the very fastest.

No matter how much we want to assume those are just natural traits, they're not - they're something he has worked hard on and would have to work even harder on to keep up. It all seems to be either a mental problem with himself or more probably a combination of his own problems and some issue with SAF at the time. He went from being an arguable EPL Player of the year contender in 10-11, to being a Ballon d'Or nominee in 11-12, got injured, and then never got his chance again after even if he performed on the pitch when he came in.

After that injury he played 22 league games in 3 seasons. Football wise he returned to his best, he was arguably in shockingly good shape whenever he got to play for someone who had been out for years. As soon as he had one poor display, or even one average one - he was scapegoated and shifted out of the team.

I can imagine that Nani was vocal about wanting his spot back after the rehab, when Valencia took it, when Nani got injured(Until then Valencia was a back up winger for Nani/Young and played more as a RB).
 
Annahnomoss said:
He's never had stamina problems, is by far the most agile, quick feeted player in the team as well as probably having the best acceleration and being one of the very fastest.

No matter how much we want to assume those are just natural traits, they're not - they're something he has worked hard on and would have to work even harder on to keep up. It all seems to be either a mental problem with himself or more probably a combination of his own problems and some issue with SAF at the time. He went from being an arguable EPL Player of the year contender in 10-11, to being a Ballon d'Or nominee in 11-12, got injured, and then never got his chance again after even if he performed on the pitch when he came in.

After that injury he played 22 league games in 3 seasons. Football wise he returned to his best, he was arguably in shockingly good shape whenever he got to play for someone who had been out for years. As soon as he had one poor display, or even one average one - he was scapegoated and shifted out of the team.

I can imagine that Nani was vocal about wanting his spot back after the rehab, when Valencia took it, when Nani got injured(Until then Valencia was a back up winger for Nani/Young and played more as a RB).
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Nope. Not true. At the very least, a gross exaggeration.

You're also completely wrong about Valencia a "back up winger". Has almost always been a first XI player, throughout his United career, playing on the wing. Only very rarely has he played as RB.
 
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UweBein said:
Can anyone say something or does anyone know something about Nani's work ethic?
I can't grasp what has become of him. Once, he was a marvelous player with the prospect of getting even better.

Suddenly he turns shite. Is it because he earned already too much? Is it because he lost his motivation? Is ist because he thought he was good enough? Now, I'm thinking he could've been home sick.
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It was the Carragher tackle, he went to bits after it. I know it seems a gross over simplification but it fits too well for it to be anything else. Just as he was putting consistency fears to bed as well.
 
jem said:
Which, in turn, only makes sense if you ignore the several years prior (and also ignore the fact that that time period, 2010-2012, is the one that is being used when making said comparison.)
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Surely the last few years are far more relevant? I mean Fernando Torres was one of the best strikers in Europe back then too but that's pretty meaningless right now.

If we look that far back then maybe Nani was on par with or even better than Di Maria. Since then Nani's form has plummeted while Di Maria has improved to the point where we were willing to pay 60m for him. Same thing with Robben, there's a strong argument that he's the third best player in the world right now.

You can't just highlight the sections of Nani's career that were of a high quality and ignore the fact that both before and since then he was nowhere near that standard. Those sections are far more relevant right now.
 
Stobzilla said:
It was the Carragher tackle, he went to bits after it. I know it seems a gross over simplification but it fits too well for it to be anything else. Just as he was putting consistency fears to bed as well.
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How long did he miss for that? A couple of weeks? I doubt that tackle had much to do with it. He was fairly good the season after that as well even he didn't hit the heights of the previous season. It was his later injuries and issues with Fergie that did him. He's never been one to look good when he's not consistently starting games.
 
akash02 said:
How long did he miss for that? A couple of weeks? I doubt that tackle had much to do with it. He was fairly good the season after that as well even he didn't hit the heights of the previous season. It was his later injuries and issues with Fergie that did him. He's never been one to look good when he's not consistently starting games.
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Not that t put him out for a long period but he seemed to become a shell mentally.
 
Stobzilla said:
Not that t put him out for a long period but he seemed to become a shell mentally.
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Maybe he lost the will to live when he saw that the nation's unison respons to that incredibly shit and nasty assault which should have seen Carra condemned and suspended for a long while was to ridicule him, the victim!
 
Stobzilla said:
It was the Carragher tackle, he went to bits after it. I know it seems a gross over simplification but it fits too well for it to be anything else. Just as he was putting consistency fears to bed as well.
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For a bit after that tackle he did seem to have a mental block but, a while after that he got back to his old self. It was in Fergie's final year that he started missing a lot through injury and/or overlooked for Valencia who was having a very poor year and last season was spent injured mostly. He did get scapegoated by Fergie after Chelsea cup game and dropped right after and was very surprisingly chosen to play one of the most important games that season - Madrid second leg - where he played really well until that Cnut.
 
sullydnl said:
Surely the last few years are far more relevant? I mean Fernando Torres was one of the best strikers in Europe back then too but that's pretty meaningless right now.

If we look that far back then maybe Nani was on par with or even better than Di Maria. Since then Nani's form has plummeted while Di Maria has improved to the point where we were willing to pay 60m for him. Same thing with Robben, there's a strong argument that he's the third best player in the world right now.

You can't just highlight the sections of Nani's career that were of a high quality and ignore the fact that both before and since then he was nowhere near that standard. Those sections are far more relevant right now.
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But I don't think Nani's form plummeted (ala Torres or Valencia,) so much as he's just been constantly injured (which in itself is a very good reason to be wary of his possibly returning to United, as we already have enough injury cases.)

I simply feel that the Nani who is impressing for Sporting appears to be returning to the form that made him such an important player for us (something I don't see happening with Valencia or Torres.)
 
sullydnl said:
Surely the last few years are far more relevant? I mean Fernando Torres was one of the best strikers in Europe back then too but that's pretty meaningless right now.

If we look that far back then maybe Nani was on par with or even better than Di Maria. Since then Nani's form has plummeted while Di Maria has improved to the point where we were willing to pay 60m for him. Same thing with Robben, there's a strong argument that he's the third best player in the world right now.

You can't just highlight the sections of Nani's career that were of a high quality and ignore the fact that both before and since then he was nowhere near that standard. Those sections are far more relevant right now.
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Nani has played to his level though several of the outings he did get unlike Torres - his problem has been lack of chances when fit and even those chances were reduced due to various injuries. Even playing for Portugal - he has often been one of their better players unlike Torres. His ability to play at a high level hasn't deserted him - he's just needed to stay fit and play regularly.
 
MoneyMay said:


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I counted a total of 8 times defenders went to ground in that gif :lol:. Maybe 7 because for one of them the defender was already on the ground and tried to dive again to block a shot that never happened.
 
I want him back, now. I thought it might be good for him to move on but he's clearly still got it and could actually be entering his prime. We just need to treat him properly and get a bit of luck with his fitness, he can still be a great player for us
 
That's 4 CL goals already, impressive.

Twice as much as entire Liverpool scored in four games.
 
Thing is, if he came back all it would take is a few wrong decisions, a bit of indecisiveness, the crowd would be on his back, and Nani's confidence would be shot again.
 
He really has done fantastically well out on loan, fair play to the guy.

I'd still prefer us to just sign someone else though.
 
Everywhere I'm checking says it's still half time in this game. What's the deal?
 
Ibi Dreams said:
I want him back, now. I thought it might be good for him to move on but he's clearly still got it and could actually be entering his prime. We just need to treat him properly and get a bit of luck with his fitness, he can still be a great player for us
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Nani playing well as soon as he gets a run of games?

Well I never. Thats literally never happened before.
 
DWelbz19 said:
His team mate looks happy. :lol:
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Good spot :lol:

People used to moan on here that some of our players gave him too much abuse (Rooney and Berbatov IIRC) - but Nani is clearly a player who frustrates his team mates with his decision making
 
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