Nabil Fekir

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OldSchoolManc said:
This is what I feel about this failed transfer. No class whatsoever.
Compare it to the time that Ruud Van Nistelrooy damaged his knee and SAF did all he could to assure the player that we would be there to sign him once he had recovered.
There is a players livelihood involved behind all this and Liverpool have tainted Fekir with having a dodgy knee.
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2000/apr/27/newsstory.sport13

I remember the RVN transfer very well.

Read this article, the RVN transfer created a lot of friction on all sides, the Guardian quotes:

“The van Nistelrooy transfer saga has been one long embarrassment for United from the moment Van Raay angered the Reds by prematurely announcing the deal last Thursday night. United boss Sir Alex Ferguson was furious and his mood worsened when van Nistelrooy held a press conference on Friday before the deal had been completed.

Then there were the farcical scenes on Tuesday when van Nistelrooy was turned away from Old Trafford and his press conference aborted after he failed a fitness test on his knee. United said then that the deal was only on hold while they carried out extra tests, but it is clear now that it is highly unlikely that the transfer will ever be completed.”

Then days later he ruptured his acl

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2000/apr/28/newsstory.sport8
 
Buchan said:
Three out of Liverpool's last four major signings/negotiations (Keita, van Dijk, Fabinho and Fekir) have been an absolute embarrassment for them. They offered Leipzig £10m more for a player they'd already agreed a price on just so he could move earlier, despite Leipzig insisting over and over again he wasn't going anywhere this season; they met with van Dijk and ran through tactical systems with him before his club even received a bid; they were pretty much the only club interested in Fabinho, hence the lack of feck-ups there, and now they've ballsed-up this Fekir deal, too.

They are a gift from God, these Scousers. I love them.
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They tried screwing over an 11 year old kid and his parents too:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ol-banned-signing-academy-players-fined-stoke
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2000/apr/27/newsstory.sport13

I remember the RVN transfer very well.

Read this article, the RVN transfer created a lot of friction on all sides, the Guardian quotes:

“The van Nistelrooy transfer saga has been one long embarrassment for United from the moment Van Raay angered the Reds by prematurely announcing the deal last Thursday night. United boss Sir Alex Ferguson was furious and his mood worsened when van Nistelrooy held a press conference on Friday before the deal had been completed.

Then there were the farcical scenes on Tuesday when van Nistelrooy was turned away from Old Trafford and his press conference aborted after he failed a fitness test on his knee. United said then that the deal was only on hold while they carried out extra tests, but it is clear now that it is highly unlikely that the transfer will ever be completed.”

Then days later he ruptured his acl

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2000/apr/28/newsstory.sport8
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The big difference is that Fekir had his op over 2 years ago. United raised concerns over Van Nistelrooy’s knee BEFORE he injured it and they were proved right after the subsequent injury.
We still signed him after recovery.
 
Red Katie said:
Have United ever come close to anything like that? I don't think we are bad at concluding deals.
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The worst was Robben. We had verbally agreed a price with PSV, taken him and showed him around the club and basically everything was set, then when we sent the offer to PSV it was apparently half the price.

Used to blame Kenyon for fecking it up deliberately before going to Chelsea and buying him there, but apparently he was the one who verbally agreed the original price but Gill had taken over by the time we sent the actual offer. So I'm not sure if it was a feck-up from Gill or whether Kenyon had played some games.
 
MadDogg said:
The worst was Robben. We had verbally agreed a price with PSV, taken him and showed him around the club and basically everything was set, then when we sent the offer to PSV it was apparently half the price.

Used to blame Kenyon for fecking it up deliberately before going to Chelsea and buying him there, but apparently he was the one who verbally agreed the original price but Gill had taken over by the time we sent the actual offer. So I'm not sure if it was a feck-up from Gill or whether Kenyon had played some games.
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Isn't there a rumor that Kenyon did the same thing with Ronaldinho, he agreed on a fee with PSG but then officially offered less?
 
OldSchoolManc said:
The big difference is that Fekir had his op over 2 years ago. United raised concerns over Van Nistelrooy’s knee BEFORE he injured it and they were proved right after the subsequent injury.
We still signed him after recovery.
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And who is to say that Fekir doesn’t break down? RVN only had a small injury before he failed his medical.

Point being, it may all seem farcical at the moment, but Liverpool shouldn’t be compelled to sign a player they have medical question marks over.
 
JPRouve said:
Isn't there a rumor that Kenyon did the same thing with Ronaldinho, he agreed on a fee with PSG but then officially offered less?
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There is a rumour, yes. We had that deal ridiculously close; Kleberson has said that the main reason he joined us was because Ronaldinho told him to come here because he was joining us himself. However, according to Ronaldinho he was friends with one of the guys running for Barca president, and he'd given him his word that if his friend won the presidency that he'd join them. As such it's hard to know whether Kenyon fecked around there as well.

Imagine us having Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Robben and Rooney all at the same time. No idea if all those deals would have still happened if the earliest ones had gone through, but the thought of it is just ridiculous. :drool::(
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
And who is to say that Fekir doesn’t break down? RVN only had a small injury before he failed his medical.

Point being, it may all seem farcical at the moment, but Liverpool shouldn’t be compelled to sign a player they have medical question marks over.
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No one was compelling Liverpool to buy a player. They still wanted Fekir and tried to barter down the price like it was an auction. Lyon refused presumably because they had already agreed a fee.

Considering Fekir has played a lot of games in the past 2 season post injury and improved as a player, Lyon are probably being reasonable.

Imagine if a club wanted to buy Bale, agreed a fee with Madrid. Then when they did a medical they used his dodgy calf or ankle to try to get a cut price for him. Its deceitful.
 
We only signed Ronaldo after the Ronaldinho deal didn’t happen, doubt we would have signed the former if we got the latter.

Robben was a big one to mess up.

Mikel - earned us £12m without even playing for us, and wasn’t the right player. That was a first class farce though, didn’t he claim we kidnapped him?!
 
breakout67 said:
No one was compelling Liverpool to buy a player. They still wanted Fekir and tried to barter down the price like it was an auction. Lyon refused presumably because they had already agreed a fee.

Considering Fekir has played a lot of games in the past 2 season post injury and improved as a player, Lyon are probably being reasonable.

Imagine if a club wanted to buy Bale, agreed a fee with Madrid. Then when they did a medical they used his dodgy calf or ankle to try to get a cut price for him. Its deceitful.
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I potentially disagree, but of course we don’t know the content of the medical. A valid comparison is when you buy a house. You conduct a survey (medical), and this can bring up issues that are not obvious, and you will often negotiate a different price based on this (new) information, which you didn’t have when you agreed the original price.
 
Ramshock said:
Why weren't we interested in this lad? Doesn't track back enough?
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He tracks back but he has spent most of his career as a very attacking midfielder, is that what we want? Also If I'm not mistaken Mourinho at Chelsea was very stringent when it came to past injuries.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I potentially disagree, but of course we don’t know the content of the medical. A valid comparison is when you buy a house. You conduct a survey (medical), and this can bring up issues that are not obvious, and you will often negotiate a different price based on this (new) information, which you didn’t have when you agreed the original price.
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Except Liverpool didn't negotiate, they assumed the player was coming and did all the PR work for the signing. They even leaked to the press they were getting a lower price and about his dodgy knee.

Liverpool did a housing survey, decided on their own what discount that would give them, then squatted in the house. Lyon called the police on them and kicked them out.
 
Whole load of fuss over a player I've barely heard of, no one seems to know much about, and who no doubt there'd be criticism of signingif it was us in for him.

I mean he could be a good player, but there doesn't have to be hysteria every tine Liverpool try to sign a player and we don't. Liverpool are going to sign players.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
We only signed Ronaldo after the Ronaldinho deal didn’t happen, doubt we would have signed the former if we got the latter.

Robben was a big one to mess up.

Mikel - earned us £12m without even playing for us, and wasn’t the right player. That was a first class farce though, didn’t he claim we kidnapped him?!
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he did... even though it was Chelsea who actually did kidnap him.
 
MadDogg said:
There is a rumour, yes. We had that deal ridiculously close; Kleberson has said that the main reason he joined us was because Ronaldinho told him to come here because he was joining us himself. However, according to Ronaldinho he was friends with one of the guys running for Barca president, and he'd given him his word that if his friend won the presidency that he'd join them. As such it's hard to know whether Kenyon fecked around there as well.

Imagine us having Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Robben and Rooney all at the same time. No idea if all those deals would have still happened if the earliest ones had gone through, but the thought of it is just ridiculous. :drool::(
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JPRouve said:
Isn't there a rumor that Kenyon did the same thing with Ronaldinho, he agreed on a fee with PSG but then officially offered less?
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I think its a few things;
So it was probably a lot to do with Kenyon. We had the drop on Ronaldinho and could have sealed it much earlier if we were not penny pinching. The Beckham deal collapsed, they changed targets to Ronaldinho and didn't mess around to sign him.
 
Meh he will still sign for Liverpool, just for more money.(If it's not a Knee Issue) It always comes down to money.

According to Lyon Press, they will ask now 70 Million Euro
 
JPRouve said:
Isn't there a rumor that Kenyon did the same thing with Ronaldinho, he agreed on a fee with PSG but then officially offered less?
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That wasn’t a rumour mate. The UK papers were running stories on it being a completely done deal. The Mirror or the Sun (can’t remember which) even had a two page story on New Manchester United signing Ronaldinho’s life growing up in Brazil.

We agreed a deal with PSG (about £16 million or something) and then faxed through an offer of about £7.5 million which rightly fecked PSG off. Barcelona swooped in, offered £20 million and the rest is history.
 
Garethw said:
That wasn’t a rumour mate. The UK papers were running stories on it being a completely done deal. The Mirror or the Sun (can’t remember which) even had a two page story on New Manchester United signing Ronaldinho’s life growing up in Brazil.

We agreed a deal with PSG (about £16 million or something) and then faxed through an offer of about £7.5 million which rightly fecked PSG off. Barcelona swooped in, offered £20 million and the rest is history.
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I was just being careful.;)
 
Why Liverpool are being criticised
VorZakone said:
So what is the issue here? Liverpool are well in their rights to try to negotiate the price down. Football is business at the end of the day.
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The premature leaking to the Liverpool journos that the deal was pretty much done.





And the doing photos and interviews before the deal was actually done.

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Can't just have a medical, do interviews and photo shoots etc then say "oh, we'd like to get him for a little less please". Then they've basically told everyone that Fekir's leg is dodgy and pissed off Lyon even more.
 
Damien said:
Can't just have a medical, do interviews and photo shoots etc then say "oh, we'd like to get him for a little less please". Then they've basically told everyone that Fekir's leg is dodgy and pissed off Lyon even more.
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I can't believe some liverpool fans can't see this. :lol:
 
On a side note I fancy Melissa Reddy. Thought I'd share.
 
Damien said:
The premature leaking to the Liverpool journos that the deal was pretty much done.





And the doing photos and interviews before the deal was actually done.

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Can't just have a medical, do interviews and photo shoots etc then say "oh, we'd like to get him for a little less please". Then they've basically told everyone that Fekir's leg is dodgy and pissed off Lyon even more.
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This should be threadmarked, as usual we have a group of people here to defend Liverpool that would be quick to throw United/Woodward under a bus and spout hate if United were involved with such an amateurish outcome.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
And who is to say that Fekir doesn’t break down? RVN only had a small injury before he failed his medical.

Point being, it may all seem farcical at the moment, but Liverpool shouldn’t be compelled to sign a player they have medical question marks over.
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Rvn broke his leg and got an 18 mths rest. Nebil fekir was up and running.
 
Ramshock said:
Yet loves a bit of Gareth Bale
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It's actually strange because it doesn't fit with the narrative around Mourinho and players fitness. I don't know which side is exaggerated, his track record with injuries seem to back one side more than the other.
 
This is pathetic from Liverpool. I fully backed their stance when I believed that they’d pulled the plug on the deal after finding a new issue during the medical.

But trying to re-negotiate a transfer fee because of a two year old injury that wasn’t highlighted as an issue during the medical is insane, and pretty damn disrespectful to the player and selling club.
 
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