Would you feel the same if white people called themselves cracker/used the term as a descriptor but condemned every other race from saying the word?
Rules for thee but not for me is pretty dangerous and hypocritical, no?
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Rules for thee but not for me is pretty dangerous and hypocritical, no?
Cracker and the N word have two different histories context and usage, it’s not really the same thing at all.
As a black man I have no issue in what white people deem to be offensive and me not saying it, there was a time when words like Half Caste was pretty common in usage in the Uk till black people and biracial people especially highlighted the hurt behind the word, now no one really uses it, if a group deems a word inappropriate it’s not my position to be questioning them or telling them it’s not, simple as, it’s one word I’ve seen Gay people call each other the ‘F word’ doesn’t mean I go around saying it.
Or Children of a worthless god by Exodus
He won’t be able to read Huckleberry Finn out loud now either.
The crazy thing is most black would either say don't say that around me or simply let it slide if they don't feel like engaging. This kind of stuff is low-hanging fruit for the anti-racist crowd. It's visible and easy to stand against.
POC = person of color = black
Frankly, I don't understand the need to play devil's advocate for that word. If you didn't grow up around that word why on earth
Not racist, but worried about the wrong things.
And no, there are words that are acceptable only in the groups they used to mock. In the US at least, women frequently call each "b*tch" but it's more or less not acceptable to say it to a woman as a man. Also "f*g" in the LGBT community as someone else pointed out.
Frankly, I don't understand both extremes. His mistake just requires a teaching moment and moving on, not a pound of flesh. And debating whether all people or no one should say the word is just as silly.
Let us have our word "you guys" have everything else (halfway joking)
You are far too sensible and level headed for a football forum. Sadly today we live in Gen Z’s cancel culture and they are always on the look out for their next cancellation.
Didn't know this. still widely used in Nigeria. will read up on the history.
on topic - black uses the n-word in his song, white man sings same song. I have zero issues with that at all. Been in a club in Newcastle a few years ago and most people happily sang a popular rap song with plenty of n-words in the lyrics. black and white dancing along to some banging beats.
A lot happens in Newcastle....
It’s lack of proper education too. I went to a decent school and in the 90s the term often advised from education staff was ‘half caste’ for mixed race and ‘coloured’ for black people.
I was lucky enough to have grown up in a multicultural school and language changed with the times. My mate Spencer who was Chinese had a lot more racial slurs towards him from other kids than the few black children within the school as there was a shift in awareness at the time.
It was clear at an early stage though it was usually the white adults being offended as opposed to the people from diverse cultural backgrounds within the school, including their families.
In Scotland, sectarianism was more exposed than racism in the school I attended for a few years. It’s strange that in 2023 it’s still an issue. Never understood the distain towards people due to their background and always hoped it was generational and would die out with proper education and time. Sectarianism has certainly reduced from what it was in the 90s. It’s still clear but I’m sure Scotland have mixed schools now and this had a huge impact.
Because Nigerians have no filter
True.
This is so fecking stupid.
So White people shouldn't sing along while at a concert of a black artist they like?
Where's the line?
Is it the fact that it's on social media?
So White people shouldn't sing along while at a concert of a black artist they like?
Where's the line?
Is it the fact that it's on social media?
For very specific words, of course not.
Very uneducated and ridiculous. If rappers, media entertainers and a certain minority of individuals use this word does it mean every individual of that particular race use it ? Selectively it would be offensive / inappropriate for some due to its history and acceptable for others due to ignorance. There's no confusing the two as to which side is the one with the general consensus. The lack of discernment in this forum is astounding at times, especially when it concerns religion and race.
It’s hardly a difficult standard to adhere to. No idea why folks find it so difficult.
This is the hill that a load of folk have decided to die on I guess. Wish I’d carried on not opening this thread
Wtf happened to this thread?
Anyway, what is the P-word for Asian people? I can't for the life of me figure it out, and I sure as shit not gonna Google it.
Anyway, what is the P-word for Asian people? I can't for the life of me figure it out, and I sure as shit not gonna Google it.
I’m assuming it’s talking South Asia and a shortened version of a country in that regions name.
Short version of Pakistani I assume
Cracker 
Never heard it used to describe a white person
Never heard it used to describe a white person
Really!? Is it bad calling a Pakistani person that!?
Another valuable life lesson from the cafIt’s used as a slur in the UK and Canada from what I remember. I think the rest of the world isn’t overly aware. I remember George Bush used it once and had to apologise because he didn’t know it was offensive
Back in the early days of eastern migration to Britain, people were labelled that word as a general descriptive / abusive word, no matter where you were from.
Obviously if you're a Pakistani then you might not find it offensive, but you'd know the difference if a racist idiot is calling you it to be an asshole.
Sheet. I better stay on top of these trends.Cracker
Never heard it used to describe a white person
It originates from the region I live in, but one state south. Florida Crackers. It refers to the crack of a whip, as they were cattle ranchers. Some people still use it with pride, other use it as a derogatory slang.
Damn. So many offensive words these days.
Thank god "fecking cnut" is still acceptable
It’s been used as a racial slur since the 60s in the UK.
Like the one for japanese, the word gets weaponized by bigots
Brutal history. Wish we could just move on and forget about the past. And this coming from a white South African.
While it's a different matter cuz it's not to do with race specifically, I think of songs I'd sing along to while Eminem was this huge phenomenon some 20 years ago...
I sang derogatory words towards, women, LGBT, and certain public figures I don't and will never know in real life... And probably some races too, just can't think of any line at the moment.
It's quite obvious to me that myself and tons of others would never say these things or agree with them outside of the experience of listening to those songs. But you sing along and don't always stop to think.
Then there'd be the minority of people who actually do hate and discriminate against certain groups of people.
I'd really like to believe they're a minority in society.
How wrong is it that I called someone a fa**ot in my bedroom when I was young, because this is what my favorite artist called them?
Does it make me a bigot that I may still listen to rap songs with derogatory lyrics in them also today?
(hypothetical as I haven't listened to rap by choice in a long time).
These are genuine questions, I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything.
Rather curious what people think.
Maybe there should be a counter-movement, with Japanese people calling Americans "Ams"?
Those things being said then was very different to doing it now. If somebody used the lines you’re talking about now then they wouldn’t get the reaction they did at the time, and rightly so.
The problem comes about as hearing those terms used in song it emboldens the bigots who do use it, and even masks them somewhat in that they’re in with a crowd. The only answer is to draw a line in the sand and say just don’t say it.
Yes, this one I agree with.
As far as I know it's also an old timer american slur. Also there is a skit from the Chapelle's Show called the Time Haters that uses it.
Uneducated? Hmm. I never said that "every individual". That would be ridiculous!
Can I ask where you're from?
That's the problem. There is no standard
Anyone reciting lyrics from an artist they respect is fine in my book. Don't see the issue.
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