Thank you Mr. Negative. Would you go in and watch if there was a fan boycott? Would you cross the line and be a scab? If it gets rid of the Glazers, then yes, empty the damned stadiums and keep them empty until they sell. Why don't you come up with a more realistic plan then. Maybe write them a strongly worded letter. As long as the money keeps flowing in, they're going nowhere.
MUST give the Glazers a deadline to fulfil their promise
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Thank you Mr. Negative. Would you go in and watch if there was a fan boycott? Would you cross the line and be a scab? If it gets rid of the Glazers, then yes, empty the damned stadiums and keep them empty until they sell. Why don't you come up with a more realistic plan then. Maybe write them a strongly worded letter. As long as the money keeps flowing in, they're going nowhere.
The anti-Glazer campaign is extremely poorly focused and led and that’s always been its problem. It’s never had a single, unified, achievable aim, lurching from demanding some fan ownership scheme that most fans who claim they’ll protest for it not being sure what it is - to demanding they sell to an unnamed billionaire who might or might not exist.
The Glazer’s sit pretty because fans who are vehemently against them have yet to find a paper bag they can fight themselves out of
The Glazer’s sit pretty because fans who are vehemently against them have yet to find a paper bag they can fight themselves out of
No matter if games were boycotted, the megastore closed etc, the money would keep coming in, as season tickets would have presumably already been sold, and online orders would keep coming in.
So whilst, it would boost a few people's ego's to say that they got a match at Leigh Sports Village, Old Trafford, or both called off, it would do little to really stop the money coming in.
This isn't being "Mr Negative", as you so put it, but just being realistic.
The Liverpool game in the Premier League was called off, it satisfied some people's egos to know that they played their part in that, but other than stroking or massaging their ego's, what difference did it really make??
The Glazers are still in charge.
They have all the power, and it is sad and very frustrating to know that we have so little of it.
Until they feel like they want to sell, then there are very few options open to us, to try to convince them to do so, and even of that remote possibility were to happen, just who would be able to not only afford their price tag, but also everything else on top of that (refurbing Old Trafford, building a new stadium for the women's team, making transfer funds available for the women's team, and the men's, etc etc)??
You are talking about billions upon billions of pounds, there are not too many people, or companies around, that would be, if indeed could be willing to purchase us at the price, once everything is put together.
But, if you belive that there are such people or companies out there that could afford the total price of let's say 4 or 5 billion of everything mentioned, then fair enough.
I certainly would like to belive that to be the case, I just think it is a little hard to think of anyone or any company off the top of my head sadly.
This is the truth of the matter.
It is really only those looking with rose tinted glasses that believe the average fan ever had a say in running the club. From the moment the Edwards family swapped their family business interest from the packaging of meat to the running of MUFC, on a full time basis, the die was cast!
It's somewhat ironic, that the only two members of the Glazer family who are experienced in running sporting franchises, neither have anything to do with the club. Up to now with Ed Woodward in charge its made money hand over fist, the trouble is what money was reinvested in the club was 'commercially angled' in order to buy players that sold products, but didn't necessarily contribute to development of the team.
The appointment of Ralf maybe a step in the right direction, because the penny seems to have dropped that success on the field is what ultimately pays the bills and the structure of a Football club has to ensure success on the field as well as commercial success off it.
It is maybe a crumb of comfort for fans, but not much, especially for those who want to see a quick return to the heady days enjoyed, first under Busby then under Ferguson. If RR walks away from it, without the restructuring everyone seems to agree it needs, being completed, then the club will be in danger of becoming the ultimate 'poisonous chalice', attracting only 'kamikaze' type managers or those nearing the end of their careers who want a last chance at the limelight.
Fans have always only ever had two options, stay and support or leave and shake the dust from your feet!
Depressing. Anyone know of any links between the Glazer's and Putin? Or is anyone really good at photoshopping or deep fakes?
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It is very depressing, people can kid themselves that they have any say in the Glazers, but they don't.
All this talk of protesting, getting games abandoned is just nonsense talk, only there to fuel the ego's of those that wish to play a central role in either or both, or to have selfie's or video's of them participating in them, nothing more than that.
As to see them sell up, and move on, would require a business deal in the billions, not a few people on twitter posting videos of themselves with flares or smoke etc.
Those sort of things are meaningless in getting them to change, as they are not at Old Trafford, they are in America, why should they care about protests??
Any damage to Old Trafford is self defeating, as they will just claim off the insurance, and nothing will change.
The truth is, things will only change when they want it to, not when any fans, no matter how noisy, or self important they think they are.
Any group, be it M.U.S.T. or whomever, the best they can do, is keep asking questions of them, as anything else is irrelevant.
All this talk of taking militant action, is just loud words, but is really irrelevant, it will not make some billionaire, or some huge company, suddenly look up and think they should buy us, if anything, they will see a lot of loud mouths, destroying or vandalising property, and want to stay as far away from that business (us) as possible.
So, we are stuck with them for the foreseeable future very sadly, and very frustratingly.
you wont ever get that ever, i've had an ST for around 12 years now and every time someone leaves our area the next season they are replaced by someone else the demand is too great for a boycott to ever be any kind of success.
What you could get is a mass walkout at HT or something but again what does that do i am not sure anything.
What we have seen with Chelsea is that there would be a lot takers for the club should it go for sale but unless it was Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk i'd think any other owners would come with the same issues as the Glazers, there are no benevolent billionaires who want to spend 3/5 billion on a football club for a vanity project so i'd always come back to who would be the buyer another leveraged owner or very sketchy ownership like Newcastle, City or Chelsea and then what do you get.
I think MUST trying to get some kind of fan ownership is admirable but i dont think there is a desire to do it from Glazer side of this.
Really the fans have no power over this and even then there will be a large part of the fan base that would be sated with either transfers or a sliver of success.
Drasdo himself has stated there have been protests even during SAF time when we were successful and desire for it from fans was close to 0 and the turn outs were very poor.
This is exactly it, the people calling for militant action, getting games abandoned, or protests, are usually the loudest ones, or those who are doing so, just to be seen to be doing something, anything.
When in actual fact, all of these sort of suggestions are completely meaningless irrelevant, and are totally counter productive, and are actually quite harmful to the end goal of seeing the Glazers depart.
All of the militant stuff, is to fuel or to feed the ego's of those who like to take part in this sort of stuff, to be able to post stuff on Twitter for likes or followers, or other social media, because these sort of ideas don't help one iota.
The only way to see the end of the Glazers, is if there is a deal struck at the highest of high levels, of which no common fan will play a role or a part in.
We have no role to play, no power to alter any decisions, they have it all, lock stock and barrel.
That is the cold hard facts of the situation, we can try to fool ourselves otherwise, but that is for those people foolish enough to belive in their own self worth.
The owners live in America, and as such, nothing that anyone does in Manchester effects them at all.
They are very happy to continue to take the money that comes their way, as nothing anyone, or any group can change that.
The costs are just too high, we are talking billions upon billions, a few walk outs at half time, when they already have your cash, means nothing, a few protests again mean nothing, and are totally irrelevant to them over in America.
They will only sell when they feel it is right for them to do so, and when they do, we will have to be very careful and warey about just who they will sell it to, as usually the only people that can afford to buy something for about 5 billion all in, aee quite shady themselves, you don't really get such a fortune being Mr Nice guy.
So for now, we are stuck with them as our owners, no matter how grumpy, unhappy, annoyed, and frustrated that makes myself, and others.
We just have to learn to accept them, and the fact we are truly powerless to change the situation.
MUST with a ‘hilarious’ Aprils Fool tweet. Went down well from replies.
The fan has no power. If you stopped buying merchandise season ticket etc someone else will. Look how many folks are outside OT after a match ages after. Probably half never went to see the game, but are on a daytrip to Manchester and are buying merchandise.
MUST couldn't arrange a thousand fans to boycott, never mind tens of thousands
MUST couldn't arrange a thousand fans to boycott, never mind tens of thousands
Doesn't surprise me. They're probably hiring the fan favourite for the manager position, so this gets brushed under the carpet and forgotten about.
Whilst you are right to a point, you miss the publicity that was brought to the protest. I remember it being on the news everywhere. It didn’t help off course that a policeman was injured and people broke into the ground. I don’t agree with those things happening.
But getting at the money is the right way, however it would need to be organised so that no one is buying season tickets in the summer, and no one is buying match tickets or merch when the season starts.
so realistically, nothing is gonna happen that really bites the glazers where it hurts…in their wallets.
Even if they somehow managed it, fans would then complain that no transfers were made
What you are asking for really with full respect is a pipe dream.
Protests are only there to fuel the ego's of those who turn up to them.
They may very well be cathartic, and a means to an end to release some anger and frustrations, but they achieve nothing.
Any damage to Old Trafford or Leigh Spirts Village, will just be paid of the insurance that the Glazers presumably have on it.
So many times you see people filming themselves on such protests, or taking photos, it is far more of a publicity stunt for them, then to really want to see any changes at club level.
Since there are fans all around the globe of this great club of ours, blocking or closing the physical Megastore for a few hours, will not really make any difference at all.
People in America, Asia or down under say, don't use that store, they buy online, so unless the online store is hacked and taken down for a considerable period of time, then again nothing will change.
You will never totally stop people buying season tickets, match day tickets, or merchandise in general.
So, it is just a pipe dream to think we as fans, hold any power in being able to change the ownership of the club, we sinply don't, that is the sad and undeniable truth to all of this.
The costs involved to see a change of ownership, are in the billions of pounds, at such a level that is really only possible if you are the wife of the exchequer....
The feck are MUST going to do if they don't, write a harshly worded letter?
This share scheme is pointless anyway, who even cares?
I’m not asking for anything. I’m saying that’s what would hurt them but realistically it’s not gonna happen
Realistically, we are mere customers to them, just a number on a financial sheet, we are noting to them, so we need to recognise that, no matter how big of a red a person supposedly is, how many seasons they have had a season ticket for, how many decades they have supported the club for, all of that is totally meaningless and irrelevant to them.
The only thing important to them, is the numbers on the balance sheet, that is it.
So, protests, people moaning on tv/YouTube/Twitter etc, they are all pointless, and are just there to fuel the ego's of those doing so, that is it.
It is why I am totally against any more protests, they achieve nothing, apart from those there being able to say they were there, that is it, no change of ownership will ever come from any protest, no matter how many of them that there may well be.
We had a full solid year of Old Trafford being empty, and there was no change of ownership, so trying to get people to not go to games is pointless.
There really isn't anything anyone can do, to change the ownership, so I don't really see why people are upset over M.U.S.T, or any other group for not having brought about change, as it isn't possible, as it would require a buyer, who can afford to use at least 6 or 7 billion all told, perhaps more just within the first year or so.
That is a lot of cash to put down, and not too many people have access to that level.
So, we need to accept that the Glazers are here to stay, no matter how frustrating that is, and I understand fully how frustrating it really is.
Only they will decide when enough is enough, as we are their piggy bank, so why would they willingly give all of that up? It makes no sense for them to do so from their perspective sitting all the way in America for most/all of their time in charge.
Great attitude. Just accept and roll over. Basically the modern day in a nutshell.
If protests didn't make a difference why did they try to weasel out by offering the share scheme?
It's not that protests achieve nothing, it's more the fact they require further coordinated action and competence. A fan base that doesn't just accept its role as a cash cow would help.
Okay, lets go along with your mindset here, lets say that there are more protests, and "further coordinated action and competence", whatever that would actually mean doing in reality, how does that change the ownership, where are you finding a new owner, or ownership group from? One that has access to such significant funds that would be needed to buy out the Glazers, and not only keep the club running, but to make us successful in both the women's and men's game, and possibly build a new stadium for the women's team, and update Old Trafford??
Where is that person or group?
As it is very easy to protest, shout " We Want Glazers Out!!" at the top of your voice, let off smoke bombs etc etc, but a heck of a lot harder to find someone, or some group that will actually take over from them.
It isn't just a case of rolling over, it is more of a case of accepting the reality of the situation that we find ourselves in, however unpalatable that actually is, and yes it is very unpalatable indeed.
You talk of the share scheme, please remind me, how that is looking, has it been activated yet in anyway?? Or has it just been all talk and no actual action??
The fact is, our fans come from all over the globe, not just those from near Old Trafford, so any protests, would be just by a tiny, tiny number of the overall number of fans, so they wouldn't make any real or significant difference to how the owners go about the day to day workings sat in America as they are.
Protests are just fuel for those people who can get there, to say that they were there, nothing more than that, to put their photo's or video's on social media, and to get clicks or likes on them, they are not there to actually seek any changes at the club, as they never change anything, or achieve what is supposed to be the aim of them.
So, we are just a number, each and everyone of us, to them, on a balance sheet, nothing more than that, no matter how we individually wish to big ourselves up, or think of ourselves as having any degree of importance, we don't, either individually or collectively, yes that is very sad to think, and yes it is very frustrating, but it is just the reality that we find ourselves in.
Until such time as they themselves, think that it is most advantageous to sell up and move on, then they will remain our owners, as there really isn't any downside for them at the moment, there isn't anyone, or any group, that has the cash or finance to offer them the sort of deal that they simply have to agree to.
Deadlines passed.
Glazers did nothing obviously.
What now?
Glazers did nothing obviously.
What now?
There is nothing that we can do.
We are powerless, all of these protests don't mean a thing, they are just there to satisfy the ego's of those that go on them.
All that we can do, is to keep asking them to follow through, it is entirely up to them if they do or not.
There are no consequences if they don't sadly.
Don’t understand why the biggest issue is suddenly a number of relatively insignificant shares, something that nobody gives a feck about.
This is the problem with MUST, they always end up down some stupid rabbit hole so far removed from any issue any fan gives a shit about.
The only reason they’re going hard on this is the same reason they went hard on supporting the ‘Red Knights’ - they sensed a whiff of an opportunity to increase their own standing by presumably working on basis that both offers may have been a way of getting Drasdo and friends a place on the board. Nothing else matters to them. If tomorrow the club put someone from MUST on the board in a non/executive capacity and have him some colouring pencils to do whilst they had board meetings then the anti Glazer campaign would stop overnight even if that was literally the only concession
Shares issue scheme? Who really gives a shiny shite about that? Honestly all the problems this club has right now and the so called fan representative group are doing there equivalent of Trigger sitting at home scratching his arse with a chopstick
This is the problem with MUST, they always end up down some stupid rabbit hole so far removed from any issue any fan gives a shit about.
The only reason they’re going hard on this is the same reason they went hard on supporting the ‘Red Knights’ - they sensed a whiff of an opportunity to increase their own standing by presumably working on basis that both offers may have been a way of getting Drasdo and friends a place on the board. Nothing else matters to them. If tomorrow the club put someone from MUST on the board in a non/executive capacity and have him some colouring pencils to do whilst they had board meetings then the anti Glazer campaign would stop overnight even if that was literally the only concession
Shares issue scheme? Who really gives a shiny shite about that? Honestly all the problems this club has right now and the so called fan representative group are doing there equivalent of Trigger sitting at home scratching his arse with a chopstick
Worst part is they know the outrage will quiet down and their brand will bounce up in value again.They will never sell if they feel the club is undervalued. We could boycott the stadium for a year, attack sponsors causing the value of the club to bomb and they'd probably still not sell because they know if they just wait for everyone to calm down it will bounce right back up.
Then there is the sad reality that they know the value will only grow if they figure our how to rig the Champions League to guarantee us a spot, find a way to make the Super League a reality or manage to cobble together a commercially attractive tournament in the US and China. Now that Amazon has a vested interest in the Premier League it is probably only a matter of time.
It's a shit situation, and the only thing that can make them sell is if we find a buyer who can make them an offer that is too good to turn down. Which is highly unlikely.
The deadline was vague, "Few weeks" and I'd imagine the conversations in the last few weeks gave them more time. They seem to be brilliant at doing the bare minimum using their hiring of managers, purchasing of certain players etc to keep kicking the can down the road and MUST seem satisfied, also not sure what power MUST really have if the Glazers flat out refuse.
They are the owners, no one but them have any power, no one can force them to do anything that they don't want to do.
That is why all of these protests are pointless, irrelevant, & just ego driven by those involved, as they don't change anything.
It is just like a toddler having a tantrum, it is loud and noisy for that moment in time, but nothing really gets achieved by throwing that tantrum.
It is some people like to consider themselves as important, when they are not.
The only people of any importance are the owners, that is it.
So there is a protest before the Chelsea game right? I am going to it. Not the game. See how it is. We need to do something. We are sinking more and more each season.
Really?
You think it there was not a massive uprising, avoiding games em mass, Like we did agaisnt Liverpool last season won't effect them at all?
We should simply grit our teeth and get on with it? Get behind them at all costs. Go and support City, etc?
Thank god you are not in Ukraine