MUST give the Glazers a deadline to fulfil their promise

I’m loving my life said:
The next logical thing I can do is target sponsors and boycott them.
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Looking at the main sponsors I think I boycott most of them by default. No real reason to pay any money to Tezos, Renewable Energy Company, MLILY, Hua Ti Hui etc. etc. I am sure most average fans are the same. The problem isn't that partners engage with Man united to generate more sales, its to be associated with a global brand and to be thought of on the same terms.

Its like 3 with Chelsea, the only thing to make them take action would there to be some impropriety involved to make them want to distance themselves from United. Otherwise its just global advertising every time we play so they're good with that.
 
dave2528 said:
Oh, they're gonna. Just you wait.

It'll be the finest deadline you've ever laid eyes on.
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It'll be the finest thing for ManUnited supporters.
Just like when they were going to attempt to try to buy the club.
Just like when they were going to attempt to try to support the buyback of Ronaldo.

I don't think they have as much impact as they believe.
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: the Supporters Trust issuing a deadline, crikey, hardly any supporters of any football clubs take their supporters trusts seriously these days as most of them are just set up to have fundraising raffles and other money grabbing schemes.

Let's be honest, if you buy a business or a car, why should you let anyone else have rights over it? yes you let your wife drive it but you don't tell her she can replace the footballs fluffy dice with a pink one.

While I'm not a fan of the Glazers, they do put money into the club and keep it going, things could be a lot worse, so until someone comes along and offers them the money to sell the club - i can live with them.

If people take off the rose tinted glasses for a minute, they would realise that the money we have spent on players in the past few years - in theory a good manager would have won trophies, so the Glazers have actually given managers the tools to deliver trophies - they've just been let down.
 
Dan-Utd said:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: the Supporters Trust issuing a deadline, crikey, hardly any supporters of any football clubs take their supporters trusts seriously these days as most of them are just set up to have fundraising raffles and other money grabbing schemes.

Let's be honest, if you buy a business or a car, why should you let anyone else have rights over it? yes you let your wife drive it but you don't tell her she can replace the footballs fluffy dice with a pink one.

While I'm not a fan of the Glazers, they do put money into the club and keep it going, things could be a lot worse, so until someone comes along and offers them the money to sell the club - i can live with them.

If people take off the rose tinted glasses for a minute, they would realise that the money we have spent on players in the past few years - in theory a good manager would have won trophies, so the Glazers have actually given managers the tools to deliver trophies - they've just been let down.
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Can you show me where the Glazers got this money you think they out into the club from?

Oh you mean the money the club generates itself through the fans?

Glazers haven't put a single penny into this club. Their dad bought the club by using the club as security to get said loan, a loan that after 16 odd years and nearly £2bn taken out the club has only went down a few million.
 
Exactly what the Glazers want, a deadline. They'll let it pass then leak to the press that MUST were being unreasonable with their demands, then a month later it'll be forgotten about.
 
Dan-Utd said:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: the Supporters Trust issuing a deadline, crikey, hardly any supporters of any football clubs take their supporters trusts seriously these days as most of them are just set up to have fundraising raffles and other money grabbing schemes.

Let's be honest, if you buy a business or a car, why should you let anyone else have rights over it? yes you let your wife drive it but you don't tell her she can replace the footballs fluffy dice with a pink one.

While I'm not a fan of the Glazers, they do put money into the club and keep it going, things could be a lot worse, so until someone comes along and offers them the money to sell the club - i can live with them.

If people take off the rose tinted glasses for a minute, they would realise that the money we have spent on players in the past few years - in theory a good manager would have won trophies, so the Glazers have actually given managers the tools to deliver trophies - they've just been let down.
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They don't put money into the club you mug. They take money out and allow us to spend some of the clubs money.
 
The campaign against the Glazer’s for the last 17 years has been so disjointed and poorly made it’s been like watching someone tasked with shooting fish in a barrel, somehow end up shooting themselves in the face.

There are legitimate issues with their ownership. But they’ve faced what has to be the stupidest fan group in history who have achieved absolutely nothing in nearly two decades. Given large numbers of fans were throwing money at the organisation and buying green and gold merchandise How has such failure been achieved?

When you can’t dislodge or even slightly influence government policy for twenty years you’re probably a shit opposition

They came up with the ‘Glazer’s gonna die’ song, made a shitload selling scarfs…. if I’ve missed anything off of that comprehensive summary of all of MUST’s achievements in regards to opposing the owners please correct me
 
So I log into twitter tonight and see that the CEO of M.U.S.T, Duncan Drasdo, has decided to block people who have asked genuine questions or have expressed concern at the way MUST are dealing with Glazers. Nearly all the comments I have seen directed at him were reasonable and in no way abusive or negative. A lot of those asking the questions were paid up members of MUST as well. Again, I stress the questions being asked were by genuine people, not trolls or smartarses. He has decided to block them and then "name and shame" them,tweeting images of their profiles to show they are blocked. I can not understand how the CEO of a group meant to represent the supporters is behaving this way. What the hell is going on? It is embarrassing from MUST, our club seems to be a shambolic mess from top to bottom.
 
IrishMcD said:
So I log into twitter tonight and see that the CEO of M.U.S.T, Duncan Drasdo, has decided to block people who have asked genuine questions or have expressed concern at the way MUST are dealing with Glazers. Nearly all the comments I have seen directed at him were reasonable and in no way abusive or negative. A lot of those asking the questions were paid up members of MUST as well. Again, I stress the questions being asked were by genuine people, not trolls or smartarses. He has decided to block them and then "name and shame" them,tweeting images of their profiles to show they are blocked. I can not understand how the CEO of a group meant to represent the supporters is behaving this way. What the hell is going on? It is embarrassing from MUST, our club seems to be a shambolic mess from top to bottom.
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Not shocked.

People who think MUST have have the club and fans at heart don't see what Duncan D**** is really about.
 
Redlambs said:
Not shocked.

People who think MUST have have the club and fans at heart don't see what Duncan D**** is really about.
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It is embarrassing, how can someone with such an important role act like a teen troll on social media. And this is the CEO of the Supporters Trust we are meant to believe are fighting on behalf of supporters? Really obvious why Glazers have had such an easy ride if this is the level of professionalism within MUST.
 
IrishMcD said:
It is embarrassing, how can someone with such an important role act like a teen troll on social media. And this is the CEO of the Supporters Trust we are meant to believe are fighting on behalf of supporters? Really obvious why Glazers have had such an easy ride if this is the level of professionalism within MUST.
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Same as it ever was.
 
golden_blunder said:
United fans need to UNITE behind sanctions of the club, such as not going to matches, pressure on sponsors by not buying kits etc
Nothing else will make them really sit and talk properly more than lip service
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Walk into the megastore on match day and you’ll see that’s never going to happen .
 
It was a stupid proposal in the first place. If the Glazers still own over 50% of the club they can outvote the fans on every single vote that is put forward.
 
IrishMcD said:
So I log into twitter tonight and see that the CEO of M.U.S.T, Duncan Drasdo, has decided to block people who have asked genuine questions or have expressed concern at the way MUST are dealing with Glazers. Nearly all the comments I have seen directed at him were reasonable and in no way abusive or negative. A lot of those asking the questions were paid up members of MUST as well. Again, I stress the questions being asked were by genuine people, not trolls or smartarses. He has decided to block them and then "name and shame" them,tweeting images of their profiles to show they are blocked. I can not understand how the CEO of a group meant to represent the supporters is behaving this way. What the hell is going on? It is embarrassing from MUST, our club seems to be a shambolic mess from top to bottom.
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Probably gets a kickback off the glazers
 
There are too many fans to make any action work. The stopping of the super league was because all the premier clubs fans involved in it reacted all at the same time and when one club fell the owners of the rest didn't want to be looked on as solely the bad guys. If we were Norwich for example 2000 fans boycotting the club in everything would be a big impact. At Utd 10000 fans boycotting the club in everything wouldn't have the slightest impact. Too many daytrippers and foreign 'fans" who buy the merchandise. Getting games abandoned would only hurt the team not the glazers pockets.
 
MUFC OK said:
Considering the ownership scheme is more of a token gesture and way to raise further funds without ceding a single ounce of control, it shows just how slow/lazy and inept the owners are. The share scheme would not even be something of any real use to fans.

It's been a common theme of their ownership; promises broken, plans shelved or massively delayed, upgrades to facilities and infrastructure neglected.

The opposition we are seeing from Chelsea fans to the Ricketts family, the way the scousers drove out Gilet and Hicks, I actually think we've done a terrible job as a fanbase and no way near enough, to remove these cretins.
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That’s a really great point. Completely bizarre that they can’t even follow through on a meaningless token gesture. I think they are probably just too rich and far away from the situation to care of the consequences. Their lack of care makes me worry so much for the future of the club.
 
IrishMcD said:
So I log into twitter tonight and see that the CEO of M.U.S.T, Duncan Drasdo, has decided to block people who have asked genuine questions or have expressed concern at the way MUST are dealing with Glazers. Nearly all the comments I have seen directed at him were reasonable and in no way abusive or negative. A lot of those asking the questions were paid up members of MUST as well. Again, I stress the questions being asked were by genuine people, not trolls or smartarses. He has decided to block them and then "name and shame" them,tweeting images of their profiles to show they are blocked. I can not understand how the CEO of a group meant to represent the supporters is behaving this way. What the hell is going on? It is embarrassing from MUST, our club seems to be a shambolic mess from top to bottom.
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Well, well, well.

It seems the conspiracy theories about the cushy relationship between MUST and the Glazers are not that outlandish.

You have to wonder how this guy becomes CEO though. Because if it's not through proper elections, then MUST needs binning and a new organisation should stand for fan representation. This guy sounds like a scammer.
 
Rightnr said:
Well, well, well.

It seems the conspiracy theories about the cushy relationship between MUST and the Glazers are not that outlandish.

You have to wonder how this guy becomes CEO though. Because if it's not through proper elections, then MUST needs binning and a new organisation should stand for fan representation. This guy sounds like a scammer.
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Out of interest, what can any group do to change the Glazers ways??

If the Glazers don't want to do something, then they won't, no group can force them to do anything.

I get the frustrations, as I share them all and much more, but I don't really understand what more can be done here??

The Glazers are using the club as their piggy bank, they have no reason to listen any fans group, no matter what it is called, as the money that they are getting is consistently rolling in.

To get them to sell, would require a buying party, and as far as I can see, unless someone is willing to correct myself, there isn't anyone out there right now, that will offer anything remotely close to what it would take to make them sell, nevermind the added extras on top (updating Old Trafford, building a new stadium for the women's team, having sufficient transfer funds for both the women's and men's teams etc etc) which would cost a heck of a lot.

So I am not sure what people realistically want to see happen.

Protests are pointless, as they are just a way for people with ego's to think that for a day or for a moment they are important, when they are not.

Protests are pointless, as by the next day they are forgotten about and people have moved on.
So please let's not see any more mention of possibly more of them.

At the end of the day, we have the owners we have, and until they decide otherwise themselves, then that is what will be the case, and no fan group, no matter the structure of it, or who it contains, will change anything of the Glazers mind.
 
Regularly getting matches abandoned which would hurt future TV revenue and targetting the sponsors to the point that prospective new sponsors publically pull out of their deals with us is pointless. So don't ever do it.

Many thanks,

Joel
 
Wouldn't it make sense to launch a new organisation of fans and have a proper election run for the CEO and support team and then this becomes the Fans true recognised and supporters fans trust?

It seems MUST is now no longer suitable or fit for purpose.
 
Valar Morghulis said:
Regularly getting matches abandoned which would hurt future TV revenue and targetting the sponsors to the point that prospective new sponsors publically pull out of their deals with us is pointless. So don't ever do it.

Many thanks,

Joel
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So your idea is to get presumably both men's and women's games called off??
Why should the players suffer in all of this?

What have Katie Zelem, Millie Turner etc done to have their games abandoned??

The men's Liverpool game was abandoned, and what changed??

Anything really significant??

Protests, getting games abandoned, doesn't change anything, it just hurts the players, as it means that they will have to play the rearranged game and the next one in a closer time span, thus not giving them too much rest.
It doesn't hurt the owners at all, as they are on America.


choccy77 said:
Wouldn't it make sense to launch a new organisation of fans and have a proper election run for the CEO and support team and then this becomes the Fans true recognised and supporters fans trust?

It seems MUST is now no longer suitable or fit for purpose.
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Hypothetically all of that is done, then what??

What can any new organisation do, if the Glazers don't want to listen to them??
If the Glazers are happy doing things their way, then how exactly could any group hope to change their mind in any way??

They are the ones in full control here.
 
MUW4Eva said:
So your idea is to get presumably both men's and women's games called off??
Why should the players suffer in all of this?

What have Katie Zelem, Millie Turner etc done to have their games abandoned??

The men's Liverpool game was abandoned, and what changed??

Anything really significant??

Protests, getting games abandoned, doesn't change anything, it just hurts the players, as it means that they will have to play the rearranged game and the next one in a closer time span, thus not giving them too much rest.
It doesn't hurt the owners at all, as they are on America.




Hypothetically all of that is done, then what??

What can any new organisation do, if the Glazers don't want to listen to them??
If the Glazers are happy doing things their way, then how exactly could any group hope to change their mind in any way??

They are the ones in full control here.
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Basically you have to go militant before you can get political again. Stopping matches, training, attacking sponsors brands, going after the owners etc to bring them to the table in any meaningful way. Otherwise nothing changes as there is no real incentive to on their part. Why would they give concessions without any pressure to do so?
 
When I look at MUST website it is full of positive words like bridging fans, helping to decide club decisions based on fans, etc and yet the first thing I see and the only thing I believe is how you can be a full member by paying £15 which lists benefits that are not exactly benefits. It is basically OnlyFans for top top top top top Reds.
 
Ali Dia said:
Basically you have to go militant before you can get political again. Stopping matches, training, attacking sponsors brands, going after the owners etc to bring them to the table in any meaningful way. Otherwise nothing changes as there is no real incentive to on their part. Why would they give concessions without any pressure to do so?
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Agree. We just moan and whine on these forums or we take action. Chelsea sale shows there would be bidders and Glazers get to make an absolute fortune. But we need to get rid. The club is rotten from top down.
 
Ali Dia said:
Basically you have to go militant before you can get political again. Stopping matches, training, attacking sponsors brands, going after the owners etc to bring them to the table in any meaningful way. Otherwise nothing changes as there is no real incentive to on their part. Why would they give concessions without any pressure to do so?
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So you want to see the players suffer, they are surely not the issue at hand here?

By getting WSL & PL games called off, as presumably is what might be the plan here, you are costing players time on their careers, how is that right or fair to them?

Players like Zelem, Turner, Jones, Solskjaer etc came through the ranks, to try to play in the Champions League and to play for the club, what right, do we as fans, have to stop games, and to possibly take away their chance with us of doing so??
As no doubt if we were to get games abandoned, then points deductions would follow.

I get the upset feelings, the wanting to do something to move them on, but why should it be at the players expense??
What have they done wrong in all of this??

By all means target sponsors in a peaceful manner, as smashing up sponsors buildings, or doing anything of a criminal nature, would just be wrong, and would bring far more negative PR and harm to the cause, then it would bring good headlines to the cause.

All anyone can do is ask and plead with them, as this is all in their hands, they are the owners, they have all of the power here, we as fans can only do so much.
 
MUW4Eva said:
So you want to see the players suffer, they are surely not the issue at hand here?

By getting WSL & PL games called off, as presumably is what might be the plan here, you are costing players time on their careers, how is that right or fair to them?

Players like Zelem, Turner, Jones, Solskjaer etc came through the ranks, to try to play in the Champions League and to play for the club, what right, do we as fans, have to stop games, and to possibly take away their chance with us of doing so??
As no doubt if we were to get games abandoned, then points deductions would follow.

I get the upset feelings, the wanting to do something to move them on, but why should it be at the players expense??
What have they done wrong in all of this??

By all means target sponsors in a peaceful manner, as smashing up sponsors buildings, or doing anything of a criminal nature, would just be wrong, and would bring far more negative PR and harm to the cause, then it would bring good headlines to the cause.

All anyone can do is ask and plead with them, as this is all in their hands, they are the owners, they have all of the power here, we as fans can only do so much.
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I don’t give a shit about the players to be honest so I can nip that one right in the bud. I care about the club. Players and owners come and go. They are employees who get paid handsomely because we have so many fans. The fans and the future direction of the club are the only things that really matter when it comes down to it
 
MUW4Eva said:
If the Glazers are happy doing things their way, then how exactly could any group hope to change their mind in any way??
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Boycott games. Boycott sponsors and the megastore. Playing in an empty stadium in front of the TV cameras won't look good and would draw negative comments from the media.
 
Moriarty said:
Boycott games. Boycott sponsors and the megastore. Playing in an empty stadium in front of the TV cameras won't look good and would draw negative comments from the media.
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Correct me if I am wrong here, and indeed I very well could be, but didn't we just have a year/season of no fans in the ground, and yet the Glazers are still firmly in control....

So, I am yet to really see what true effects or help getting games abandoned would do, apart from create a lot of negative headlines and PR.
 
MUW4Eva said:
Correct me if I am wrong here, and indeed I very well could be, but didn't we just have a year/season of no fans in the ground, and yet the Glazers are still firmly in control....

So, I am yet to really see what true effects or help getting games abandoned would do, apart from create a lot of negative headlines and PR.
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That was enforced by the government. I'm talking about a boycott at a time when fans are allowed into the ground. If Old Trafford is empty on match days and other Prem grounds are full, it would send a message.
 
Moriarty said:
That was enforced by the government. I'm talking about a boycott at a time when fans are allowed into the ground. If Old Trafford is empty on match days and other Prem grounds are full, it would send a message.
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So you are asking for Old Trafford and Leigh Sports Village to be empty, yet again??

That isnt a realistic viewpoint to take, as there will always be someone, or a group of people that will want to go inside and watch.

You can't just barricade all of the entrances to the grounds.
 
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