MUST give the Glazers a deadline to fulfil their promise

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Manchester United fans have issued an ultimatum to the club's controlling investors over delays to a share ownership scheme pledged in the wake of last years' European Super League (ESL) fiasco.

Sky News has learnt that the Manchester United Supporters Trust (MUST) contacted approximately 100,000 members on Tuesday to express its disquiet over the lack of progress on plans to enable fans to own shares with the same voting rights as the Glazer family.

The communication referred to "prolonged discussions with the club" but said that United had "not yet made a proposal to us that is sufficiently acceptable to us to allow it to go to the next stage, which would be a members' ballot".

"Negotiations on these matters can take some time, but we can't allow them to drag on forever, particularly as in the meantime we continue to see our club decline on the field," it said.

"We have now made clear to the club that we are looking for a resolution to this matter within the coming weeks.

"One thing is sure - it is inconceivable that we do not have a definitive response by the time we reach the anniversary of the European Super League announcement [in late April]."

What action might MUST take if Glazers don’t deliver by the deadline?
 
And here's why the leaks about the stadium happened.

I pity anyone who felt there was any truth behind the stadium development idea.

This fan share scheme should've been sorted a long, long time ago if they were actually interested in getting fans on side, this shows that they're not and only take interest in our money.
 
More chance of Luke Shaw walking past a pie shop, than Glazers delivering on something
 
I think all fans are skeptical about plans for OT. But it creates good discussion, I guess.
 
Rich folk in 'they'll burn themselves out and forget about this eventually' shocker.
 
MUST won't do anything drastic but bringing this into light might trigger another proper protest that will get global headlines like the postponement of the Liverpool match.
 
Scum leeches who need to be driven out. All I hear is how Liverpool fans are rawkish intense full kit wankers but at least they drove out their problem owners, we just stand around callling each other out for not being a top red or being entitled or whatever the next tag is.
Fair play to MUST for putting a bit of pressure on, but the protests need to keep going.
 
Spoony said:
And that's it works, people forget.
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It's pretty depressing tbh. I foolishly believed that the ESL mess might actually be a catalyst for change. Just more of the same with slightly different faces.
 
Eckers99 said:
It's pretty depressing tbh. I foolishly believed that the ESL mess might actually be a catalyst for change. Just more of the same with slightly different faces.
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They'll sell when they want to. We'll just have to show patience. Suppose the best we can do is be vocal during games but that'll just be a minor annoyance to the leeches.
 
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Spoony said:
They'll sell when they want to. We'll just have to show patience. Supposed the best we can do is be vocal during games but that'll just be a minor annoyance to the leeches.
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Exactly. They never go to games, so won't give half a shit about a few thousand moany Mancs.

What happened to the recommendations Tracy Crouch made about an independent regulator etc?

Nothing tangible has changed, from what I've seen and read.
 
Have people not see how the Glazers have run United for the last 15 years...

They have treated the fans like mugs for most of that time and the fans have played the part of the mug perfectly.

Its embarrassing. The don't give a shit about the fans or club beyond it making money for them. I'm sure they laugh at us every time they "throw us a bone" and talk about stadium reinvestment or doing something to repair relations after the ESL fiasco. P.s. they didn't back down over that because they realised that it was the wrong thing to do, they did it because the other clubs were pulling out and it was a PR disaster.

The Glazers aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They have sat on the club, managed it awfully and taken it from the most successful club in the country to basically being irrelevant and still taken loads of money out of the club and if they sold it they would make billions. Why on earth would they sell a cash cow like that.

Like most of the people on here, our fans barely have the ability to look beyond the next and previous results in their opinion on the club. Buy an expensive player and they shut up. Appoint an ex-player who is clearly out of their depth and the fans love it. Its like they are playing with toddlers. The only time the fans actually get grumpy is when results are awful and then something small changes and they are all smiles again. If you want the Glazers out, protest. Don't go to game. Don't buy merchandise. Basically don't support the club in any financial way.
 
mctrials23 said:
Have people not see how the Glazers have run United for the last 15 years...

They have treated the fans like mugs for most of that time and the fans have played the part of the mug perfectly.

Its embarrassing. The don't give a shit about the fans or club beyond it making money for them. I'm sure they laugh at us every time they "throw us a bone" and talk about stadium reinvestment or doing something to repair relations after the ESL fiasco. P.s. they didn't back down over that because they realised that it was the wrong thing to do, they did it because the other clubs were pulling out and it was a PR disaster.

The Glazers aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They have sat on the club, managed it awfully and taken it from the most successful club in the country to basically being irrelevant and still taken loads of money out of the club and if they sold it they would make billions. Why on earth would they sell a cash cow like that.

Like most of the people on here, our fans barely have the ability to look beyond the next and previous results in their opinion on the club. Buy an expensive player and they shut up. Appoint an ex-player who is clearly out of their depth and the fans love it. Its like they are playing with toddlers. The only time the fans actually get grumpy is when results are awful and then something small changes and they are all smiles again. If you want the Glazers out, protest. Don't go to game. Don't buy merchandise. Basically don't support the club in any financial way.
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Agree with everything you say. They truly do treat the fans with contempt, I reckon they hate the fans. A lot of people think the Glazers are stuck in the past, they aren’t, they just know that nostalgia makes money. Just like movie franchise and sequels, bring back the original actors and everyone will go and watch it because it’s childhood memories. Bringing back Ole and Ronaldo were genius marketing movies.

The statement after they were forced to pull out of the super league was embarrassing. You could see they weren’t sorry and they could hardly hide how angry they were that it didn’t go ahead.

I really hope that all of their mismanagement has finally caught up with him. We are going to finish outside top 4, probably next year too. They will be forced to either make some very smart decisions and improve the club or they really will have to sell as their incompetence is now effecting the money. I don’t think they have the expertise to get us out of this mess.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
The communication referred to "prolonged discussions with the club" but said that United had "not yet made a proposal to us that is sufficiently acceptable to us to allow it to go to the next stage, which would be a members' ballot".
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This sounds like something has been put forward, so why don't MUST publish just what the Glazers have offered?
 
Maticmaker said:
This sounds like something has been put forward, so why don't MUST publish just what the Glazers have offered?
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Sorry I didn’t want to post the full article because it’s quite long. Here is the part that answers your question:

‘’Manchester United, which is listed on the New York Stock Exchange but remains under the control of the Glazer family through a separate class of shares, is understood to have proposed issuing roughly $10m of stock to be earmarked for fans.

While the shares ranked alongside the Glazers' shares on ordinary resolutions, however, they would not have done so on special resolutions to be voted on at company meetings, according to a person close to the proposals.’’
 
Considering the ownership scheme is more of a token gesture and way to raise further funds without ceding a single ounce of control, it shows just how slow/lazy and inept the owners are. The share scheme would not even be something of any real use to fans.

It's been a common theme of their ownership; promises broken, plans shelved or massively delayed, upgrades to facilities and infrastructure neglected.

The opposition we are seeing from Chelsea fans to the Ricketts family, the way the scousers drove out Gilet and Hicks, I actually think we've done a terrible job as a fanbase and no way near enough, to remove these cretins.
 
The Irish Connection said:
Scum leeches who need to be driven out. All I hear is how Liverpool fans are rawkish intense full kit wankers but at least they drove out their problem owners, we just stand around callling each other out for not being a top red or being entitled or whatever the next tag is.
Fair play to MUST for putting a bit of pressure on, but the protests need to keep going.
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No they didn't they were forced out Because they couldn't refinance and repay their debts nothing to do with Liverpool fans .
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Sorry I didn’t want to post the full article because it’s quite long. Here is the part that answers your question:

‘’Manchester United, which is listed on the New York Stock Exchange but remains under the control of the Glazer family through a separate class of shares, is understood to have proposed issuing roughly $10m of stock to be earmarked for fans.

While the shares ranked alongside the Glazers' shares on ordinary resolutions, however, they would not have done so on special resolutions to be voted on at company meetings, according to a person close to the proposals.’’
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"OK, thanks for that, much obliged

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If the shares are ranked alongside Glazers' shares on ordinary resolutions, then what exactly is MUST unhappy about? Surely at Company meetings (special resolutions) it would be impossible/impracticable to represent the full range of views of fans, even if one or two MUST appointed representatives are able to be present?
 
Wait, you mean the Glazers lied? Oh no! This cannot be!
 
I was very excited about this initially. I think any face time with fans is a step forward as they seem so out of touch with even basic ideas about football. The shares idea is just another money spinner for them. A money spinner and an olive branch.
 
Just give 'em a few more years and these Glazers lads will come good I reckon.
 
Utd heap said:
Just give 'em a few more years and these Glazers lads will come good I reckon.
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To be fair, this is the United way now. If you give someone time, they will 100% definitely completely change for the better without any input.
 
Glazers will never change.

When they released their first statement in like 10 years saying 'the days of no contact are gone and we will be present regularly now' or something along those lines, I did think they would at least do it for a year or so. But nope, nothing.

And the only way to get rid of them is to do things we rightly wouldn't condone. Or to hope someone who loves United becomes a multbillionaire and makes his/her life goal buying the club.
 
MUFC OK said:
Considering the ownership scheme is more of a token gesture and way to raise further funds without ceding a single ounce of control, it shows just how slow/lazy and inept the owners are. The share scheme would not even be something of any real use to fans.

It's been a common theme of their ownership; promises broken, plans shelved or massively delayed, upgrades to facilities and infrastructure neglected.

The opposition we are seeing from Chelsea fans to the Ricketts family, the way the scousers drove out Gilet and Hicks, I actually think we've done a terrible job as a fanbase and no way near enough, to remove these cretins.
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This was true all those years ago when we first found out about the leveraged buy-out. And it's still true today.
 
United fans are too passive. The Glazers should have been aggresively driven away from the club a long time ago. Anarcho-capitalist parasites.
 
MUST has to go after United sponsors. This is the only way to drive change. Target United sponsors, tell them as long as they are in a deal with United/Glazers that it will be pushed amongst the fan base to boycott these products, and fans need to be vocal with their boycotts, let the companies know, twitter, email, etc. Corporations are dumb and reactive, a small amount of pressure can drive a lot of change, if they think it means losing money. Glazers stop making deals, have deals cancelled, they see the end of their cashcow and maybe consider selling. The key issue is getting enough United fans on board, considering there are so many around the world that just like, "GGMU", Ronaldo da best!!!. But we have enough genuine fans that if organized could easily pull it off.
 
United fans need to UNITE behind sanctions of the club, such as not going to matches, pressure on sponsors by not buying kits etc
Nothing else will make them really sit and talk properly more than lip service
 
golden_blunder said:
United fans need to UNITE behind sanctions of the club, such as not going to matches, pressure on sponsors by not buying kits etc
Nothing else will make them really sit and talk properly more than lip service
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It should be clear to all that the owners are parasites and dont give a shit about the club or fans. Dont believe any more PR crap. Plenty of bidders appeared for Chelsea, same would be true for United. We need to force them out. We showed before we can stop matches.
 
What are they going to do? Turn up in droves to Old Trafford buying pies and watching the match in green and yellow.

That will show them.
 
The tragedy is that nothing will change with these owners. It’s almost ten years now since I went to a game, and I have not bought anything in that time, and don’t have any TV subscriptions. The next logical thing I can do is target sponsors and boycott them.

However, when only small %s are even doing any of these things, the Glazers will keep pocketing money and laughing at the dutiful fans who meekly hand it over to them. It should be enough that we are seeing City and Liverpool winning everything every year and light years ahead of us, whilst we pay a bunch of frauds the most money out of any club to generate social media likes and occasionally run towards the ball during a match. But seemingly large proportions of the fan base are not really that bothered.
 
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