Yeah, its mad we can trust people at the sign 100s of millions worth of players based on footage/data/stats yet the useless feckers are terrible at gauging if a player already at the club is good enough who they see day-in-day-out. Maddening.
MUFC are looking at a budget of about £100m, due to FFP (The Athletic)
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Yeah, its mad we can trust people at the sign 100s of millions worth of players based on footage/data/stats yet the useless feckers are terrible at gauging if a player already at the club is good enough who they see day-in-day-out. Maddening.
wage bill. We also spent £200mill last year and we have out debt. We have 2nd highest wage bill
https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/
(As far as I'm aware) the best players to sell in terms of FFP efficiency are either a) academy players or b) players who have been here long enough to now have minimal book value.
So from that perspective the most "efficient" sells would obviously be any of the likes of McTominay, Elanga, Williams, Greenwood, etc. But also someone like Anthony Martial, for example
So from that perspective the most "efficient" sells would obviously be any of the likes of McTominay, Elanga, Williams, Greenwood, etc. But also someone like Anthony Martial, for example
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its the most maddening thing about the club is the lack of ruthlessness in discarding players. its always hang on a bit longer and then sell at discount. I honestly thought that when Eth came we would of chopped Maguire and Mctominay for decent money last summer as there was interest from Chelsea, Newcastle and German clubs. Now I imagine their value has dropped further as neither has painted themselves in glory this year and Harry just had that shocker vs Sevilla and is older. I was saying to posters we could have got £80-100m in the Summer for the 2 combined, now we might get 50.
Of course we do, like 4 years ago on one occasion.
In fact if you care to check our players sales over past 5 years, the figure we’ve got here is kind of depressing.
Players out (Euros)
22-23: 13m
21-22: 30m
20-21: 19m
19-20: 80m
18-19: 30m
Avg income from players sales per season: 34m
Remember every summer we have threads all over here with optimistic people talking about their wish lists offloading our deadwoods to generate extra 70-100m funds for our summer buys?
That’s reality (avg 34m) vs expectation (70-100m) I guess, like every summer over the past 5 years I have experienced over here.
I think McTominay and AWB could bring in decent money, Maguire too if West Ham comes in for him. We could probably sell Amad for 30m after his season in the Championship and Pellistri has a market in Spain. Elanga could be sold for more than we sold Chong and less than we sold Garner. Henderson is a question mark because of his injury.
The others like Martial, DVB and Bailly have zero value right now to anyone else.
The others like Martial, DVB and Bailly have zero value right now to anyone else.
The problem with leaving it to managers is that they're fecking shit at it. ETH has no intention of using a good chunk of the players at the club, but he wants to hoard them in case an alien abducts all of his starting XI and preferred back ups.
This shit has to be taken outside of the managers hand.
Good point. Sensationalist headline when you take that into account
Any sales would help, that is how it works. Outgoings that are then offset by incomings will obviously free up funds.
Candidate for worst post of the year.
I know. Was just simplifying it in the most basic sense. We also don't have a £100m budget either, and there are previous amortised payments to consider.
Still a more accurate story than the Atlantic's guff.
That stupid amortisation loophole that Boehly exploited will be closed from this summer too.
We’ll just have to sell well, which we are historically shit at.
We’ll just have to sell well, which we are historically shit at.
Think it has been stated somewhere that part of the Antony fee was "taken from" the summer budget of this year. So probably a bit less of an anomaly but it certainly shows that some sort of limitless spending is highly unlikely.
Hopefully we will never be as wasteful again. It certainly is more than difficult to remain competetive AND make good deals all the time. Especially when you have to increase the number of deals, it is statistically more or less certain to have the odd bad deal here and there. The issue for me is, that we have made the same errors for quite some time now. Getting spooked into bullshit deals for Fellaini, Mata, Sanchez, Pogba, Maguire or Ronaldo. We have to get this right at some point. All the curious to me how often one can read that we should go for Kane for 100 million this summer. As if only one striker is missing from the promised land.
I am advocating for a while that we are at a point, where it is better to not aim for superstar signings. The team itself has to reach the next level, what we need is a robust body of players to evolve as a team. Best case scenario would be to bring in good potential along the way to maybe end up with a few superstars made of ourselves. As long as we try to go superstar every year, it will always be difficult to evolve the whole team because you only adress one position.
Amen to that.
This is the biggest point of why I have difficulties to trust the guys of Arnold and Murtough... Feels like they still don't have some sort of plan and just hide behind the manager to tell them what to do. Picking the absolute wrong spots to show their "power" like giving him Antony for way too much. Which in itself isn't a problem - the problem arises from this money not being able to spend somewhere else...
You can still spread over the standard 5 year period, as every club has done for years. It's the 7 or 8 years spreads that are being blocked.
Now you are just being silly
@Messier1994 another thread for you?
I hope you didn't forget to give all their lowest-potential youth team players 10-year contacts on 200K which increase by 50% each season... yeah I get bored on FM now and use the in-game editor to cripple Liverpool's finances.
You need a team working together. A scouting network, a DOF and of course the manager has an important role to play, he's the one who will be using the players.
Our problem is that we haven't had this. We've had managers buying all their former players, accountants signing whoever is the biggest name he can find on Google and a scouting team that seemingly doesn't communicate with the coaching staff.
Then we've had the negotiation teams that have been farcical at times.
A managers role is important though. At the end of the day he's the person a player is going to have the most contact with whole at the club. Seeing ETH with Garnacho brought back memories of how Sir Alex used to treat players and I got one am all for that.
I don't care about the signings anymore. I just want us to progress every season while we play an entertaining brand of football under ETH.
If we're looking at some reductions in spending i'd be fine with us waiting another year to get Kane on a free while buying a good young striker at a fraction of the cost for next season. Kane isn't stupid enough to sign another contract at Spurs, right? 
Isn’t there ways to easily get around it though? For example we pay 120m for Kane with it being 80m this summer and the rest in the coming over 2-3 years?
80m from this summers budget is only effected
80m from this summers budget is only effected
If we're looking at some reductions in spending i'd be fine with us waiting another year to get Kane on a free while buying a good young striker at a fraction of the cost for next season. Kane isn't stupid enough to sign another contract at Spurs, right?
Kane to United is subject to the Harry protocol.
Spurs need a defender
United need a striker
Staff at both clubs are used to calling someone Harry
Maguire to Spurs, Kane to United
#Harry
That's assuming the transfer fees is spread across years, right? If I remember correctly, Maguire was a straight cash deal .
We could have easily gotten 30m for Henderson if he wasn't on 120k a week.
Mings went for 25m many years back. If you are telling we can't sell our England captain for similar or more money, then I rest my case.
This is not surprising tbh, we’re not a regular champions league team and are now paying for the piss poor spending under previous managers. Champions league qualification is a must to keep us competitive for top 4 next season.
It’ll be interesting to see what players are put up for sale. I would presume Maguire, McTominay, Martial and Henderson top the list. If Newcastle want McT then he shouldn’t go for less than £40 million. Maguire is likely a loan to buy due to his ridiculous wages. Henderson is another we have to push a high fee for and Martial you take what you can get. Considering the fee for Kane, we might only be left with sales to fund the next purchases, which is a shame considering we still would need a CM, CB and full back.
It’ll be interesting to see what players are put up for sale. I would presume Maguire, McTominay, Martial and Henderson top the list. If Newcastle want McT then he shouldn’t go for less than £40 million. Maguire is likely a loan to buy due to his ridiculous wages. Henderson is another we have to push a high fee for and Martial you take what you can get. Considering the fee for Kane, we might only be left with sales to fund the next purchases, which is a shame considering we still would need a CM, CB and full back.
Bloody Glazers
Athletic shitting ther pants over Qatar taking over United.
Step 3: wake up
We also have to decide if Laird has a long term future at the club. We could get a few millions for him too.
It's always been the case that we can sign a striker independent of any sales. Therefore £100m sounds about right. Anything else is sale dependent.
It doesn't make a difference. If we buy a player the cost of the transfer is amortised across the length of their contract, even if the agreement between the clubs is that the money changes hands immediately.
What happens when you’re already paying for a few over 5 years?
Saw this on my feed, not sure how true it is, somehow Jassim has a way to get around FFP ??
Chickens coming home to roost. A squad full of expensive failures, like Martial, Maguire, Sancho, Van de Beek, massive wages, and an utter failure when selling players.
I don't think it's a bad article at all. Just reality, unfortunately.
I don't think it's a bad article at all. Just reality, unfortunately.
It was more tongue and cheek as they never state how the budget is spent!
We all know transfers fees are always spread across the length of a contract on the books and what you sell is always listed in full (minus what’s remaining to pay across the players leaving contract). Unless it’s an academy player then you claim the full amount on your spending budget.
In short an £100m budget can actually get you £230m worth of players.
Only thing that's true is most people don't know how FFP works. The debt is irrelevant and I've pointed this out a number of times in the past but people just want to get giddy over sugar daddy money.
The only benefit of Qatar to FFP will be if they invest to raise our income from off field activities. In the short term they'll be no mega money thrown around on signings.
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Dan James aside we are utterly dreadful
If Qatar come in Im pretty sure we will breach ffp and take the fine.
PSG breached it and were charged €10m.
Given that the Qataris will likely use the same sponsorship model as Man City, revenues will increase and it wont be an issue.
PSG breached it and were charged €10m.
Given that the Qataris will likely use the same sponsorship model as Man City, revenues will increase and it wont be an issue.