MUFC are looking at a budget of about £100m, due to FFP (The Athletic)

Woziak said:
We really could spend £350-400m just like the article which was leaked a few weeks ago quoted however only if SJ and Qatar get this sale sorted asap.

We must sell Henderson, S Mctominay,
A Elanga, B Williams all players that are sold for net profit in the accounts.

Qatar needs united as much as we need them, it’s important to remember that the only reason Newcastle can’t spend £300-400m is because their turnover restricts it, It’s also important to note that if City wanted to spend £300-400m with their mature business plan now taking full bloom they could easily spend it and we’ve seen that Uefa paper thin threats mean very little to the Abu Dhabi group. These next two windows are vital for United reclaiming ground on Europes finest clubs.
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So if we can really spend that why is that Athletic article and likes of Ogden & Dawson saying we need to sell players in order to buy some
 
croadyman said:
So if we can really spend that why is that Athletic article and likes of Ogden & Dawson saying we need to sell players in order to buy some
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Rewind one year, the Athletic said exactly the same thing surely you remember budget of £120m, we sold James Garner £13m and Andreas Pereira £12m both players were brought through our youth network and have homegrown status, we sold them and the transfer fees combined of £25m was multiplied by 5 = £125m because any new players that we signed, sales value would be amortised by the length of the contract for that player.

Our £120m budget became £230-240m same applies this year if we sell homegrown talent that did not cost the club a transfer fee, under FFP and FSP rules we can declare that sale as a net transfer profit.
 
Woziak said:
Rewind one year, the Athletic said exactly the same thing surely you remember budget of £120m, we sold James Garner £13m and Andreas Pereira £12m both players were brought through our youth network and have homegrown status, we sold them and the transfer fees combined of £25m was multiplied by 5 = £125m because any new players that we signed, sales value would be amortised by the length of the contract for that player.

Our £120m budget became £230-240m same applies this year if we sell homegrown talent that did not cost the club a transfer fee, under FFP and FSP rules we can declare that sale as a net transfer profit.
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We will see if you are proved right
 
Woziak said:
Rewind one year, the Athletic said exactly the same thing surely you remember budget of £120m, we sold James Garner £13m and Andreas Pereira £12m both players were brought through our youth network and have homegrown status, we sold them and the transfer fees combined of £25m was multiplied by 5 = £125m because any new players that we signed, sales value would be amortised by the length of the contract for that player.

Our £120m budget became £230-240m same applies this year if we sell homegrown talent that did not cost the club a transfer fee, under FFP and FSP rules we can declare that sale as a net transfer profit.
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The amortization expense for those new signings will continue to count against us in future years though. That said, if we believe Qatar will wipe the debt and increase our revenues in the future through new sponsorships and stadium investments, then funding that amortization shouldn't be an issue.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
The amortization expense for those new signings will continue to count against us in future years though. That said, if we believe Qatar will wipe the debt and increase our revenues in the future through new sponsorships and stadium investments, then funding that amortization shouldn't be an issue.
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Not players like Lindelof, Fred, Martial, Bailey as They have all been paid off and had contracts Renewed,

The big amortisation deals like Pogba, Lukaku are now paid.

Now we only have 3 years left of Sancho at £16m per year plus £17.5m (no wonder we want to get rid), 4 years of Casemeiro (£14m plus £15m wages), R Varane 3 years at (£9.7m plus £17m wages) Bruno has 1 and half year of transfer at (£12m plus £10.4m wages , Lycha Martinez (9.6m plus £10m wages ) We have small amounts owed on Alex Telles, the €300m figure which was reported accounts for all the ridiculous adds on should impossibles player performances happening like Martial wining Balon D’or etc.

I keep saying our biggest problem with transfers and budgets is liquidity, the club is skint, making a loss of over £100m every year and using £40-50m to pay interest payments . If Qatar, through 92 Foundation buys the club and pays the debt, your see the fastest 180 turn around in transfer history from nil to 300m in 2 months ?
 
Starting CM Goalkeeper and Striker.

+A backup striker if Greenwood is given the boot.

That's the minimum we can afford to do this summer
 
Woziak said:
We really could spend £350-400m just like the article which was leaked a few weeks ago quoted however only if SJ and Qatar get this sale sorted asap.

We must sell Henderson, S Mctominay,
A Elanga, B Williams all players that are sold for net profit in the accounts.

Qatar needs united as much as we need them, it’s important to remember that the only reason Newcastle can’t spend £300-400m is because their turnover restricts it, It’s also important to note that if City wanted to spend £300-400m with their mature business plan now taking full bloom they could easily spend it and we’ve seen that Uefa paper thin threats mean very little to the Abu Dhabi group. These next two windows are vital for United reclaiming ground on Europes finest clubs.
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You still need HG players in the team that came from the academy. Get rid of all those and you only have Rashford, Garnacho, Heaton.
 
roseguy64 said:
You still need HG players in the team that came from the academy. Get rid of all those and you only have Rashford, Garnacho, Heaton.
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You need 8 HG in a squad of 25 so add T Heaton, Kovar, AWB, K Mainoo, M Mount,
Rashford, Sancho, Garnaucho, L Shaw,
 
Woziak said:
You need 8 HG in a squad of 25 so add T Heaton, Kovar, AWB, K Mainoo, M Mount,
Rashford, Sancho, Garnaucho, L Shaw,
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4 players have to be club HG. I specified those 3 for a reason. Mainoo and Kovar haven't played for Man Utd and I don't think the club would be ready to trust either for them to take up a registration spot.
 
Woziak said:
You need 8 HG in a squad of 25 so add T Heaton, Kovar, AWB, K Mainoo, M Mount,
Rashford, Sancho, Garnaucho, L Shaw,
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Its actually important to have really good home grown talent, otherwise you are limiting yourself to a squad of 17 players that the manager wants to rely on, and 8 extras to make up the numbers. We currently have 6 home grown players that are good enough to be in the first team (AWB, Shaw, Rashford, Sancho, Garnacho and MG - footballing talent, not discussing other issues). If we add Rice, Mount and Kane, and keep a home grown goalkeeper or two to warm the bench (Heaton and Kovar), then we have a lot of flexibility if ETH decides he wants to upgrade on any of those players, e.g. AWB or a reserve keeper, or loan out MG.
 
Erik the Red said:
Its actually important to have really good home grown talent, otherwise you are limiting yourself to a squad of 17 players that the manager wants to rely on, and 8 extras to make up the numbers. We currently have 6 home grown players that are good enough to be in the first team (AWB, Shaw, Rashford, Sancho, Garnacho and MG - footballing talent, not discussing other issues). If we add Rice, Mount and Kane, and keep a home grown goalkeeper or two to warm the bench (Heaton and Kovar), then we have a lot of flexibility if ETH decides he wants to upgrade on any of those players, e.g. AWB or a reserve keeper, or loan out MG.
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Totally agree with this but I’d be looking at younger players like Jacob Ramsey, Alex Scott and Daniel Jebeson plus we have two gems ourselves coming through Shea Lacey and Amir Ibragimov, watch out for both very special talents.
 
Woziak said:
Totally agree with this but I’d be looking at younger players like Jacob Ramsey, Alex Scott and Daniel Jebeson plus we have two gems ourselves coming through Shea Lacey and Amir Ibragimov, watch out for both very special talents.
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Yeah least that way we could go big for Kane
 
Going by the papers splurge yesterday of planning to challenge Arsenal for Rice, Asking Harry to put in a transfer request, GK moves, mount 50 mil offer you’d think we would have major bank sitting around.

I’m more inclined to believe that We only have 100 mil, but even then I struggle to see how any owners would allow sales or buys during the sale of the club.
 
pascell said:
Not even whispers linking the likes of Telles, Bailly, Williams etc with moves away, very poor start to summer.
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They might all be sold to the Qatar League for a combined £120m ?
Here’s hoping ?
 
roseguy64 said:
You still need HG players in the team that came from the academy. Get rid of all those and you only have Rashford, Garnacho, Heaton.
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Looks like United are so bad at selling they are looking to now move Hanibal Mejbri and Antony Elanga.

If we managed to get £25m combined for these 2 it would increase the budget by £100m so clearly some decisions are being made with a view of something might be happening on the owner front.
 
Woziak said:
Looks like United are so bad at selling they are looking to now move Hanibal Mejbri and Antony Elanga.

If we managed to get £25m combined for these 2 it would increase the budget by £100m so clearly some decisions are being made with a view of something might be happening on the owner front.
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ETH said that he is only going to give kids playing time if they are world class - so far the only one he has really played is Garnacho, so this is the sort of level we are aiming for. If he is indeed looking to sell Mejbri and Elanga, it is because he doesn't think they are world class, and I am happy with this approach. We don't want the Brandon Williams and Axel Tuanzebes staying until their contract expires and leaving on a free. Selling them is absolutely the right approach and what we should have been doing for years.
 
Erik the Red said:
ETH said that he is only going to give kids playing time if they are world class - so far the only one he has really played is Garnacho, so this is the sort of level we are aiming for. If he is indeed looking to sell Mejbri and Elanga, it is because he doesn't think they are world class, and I am happy with this approach. We don't want the Brandon Williams and Axel Tuanzebes staying until their contract expires and leaving on a free. Selling them is absolutely the right approach and what we should have been doing for years.
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You know I and most united fans agree with your statement no more time for Mediocrity United, and it starts with youth development
 
Mount - £55M
Onana - £47.2M
Hojlund - £72M

Total - £174.2M

So that £100M budget turned out to be a pile of nonsense then?
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Mount - £55M
Onana - £47.2M
Hojlund - £72M

Total - £174.2M

So that £100M budget turned out to be a pile of nonsense then?
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You didn’t account for exits. We already got c.25m from sales, and there will be more proceeds
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Mount - £55M
Onana - £47.2M
Hojlund - £72M

Total - £174.2M

So that £100M budget turned out to be a pile of nonsense then?
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If we sell McT, Fred, Maguire for the reported fees along with what we’ve gotten for Elanga it’ll likely work out at around £100m so the club must be pretty confident in those sales.

(Or yep, it could’ve been nonsense in order to make out we don’t have as much to spend)
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Mount - £55M
Onana - £47.2M
Hojlund - £72M

Total - £174.2M

So that £100M budget turned out to be a pile of nonsense then?
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The ~20-25m from sales enables another 100m+ in allowable spending under FFP.
TheGodsInRed said:
How much of that 174 is paid this season?
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Irrelevant for the purposes of FFP. Definitely relevant when considering our cash position though.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Mount - £55M
Onana - £47.2M
Hojlund - £72M

Total - £174.2M

So that £100M budget turned out to be a pile of nonsense then?
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Your prices are all over the places.

Excluding add-ons (in brackets), they're:

Mount - 55m (5m)
Onana - 43m (4m)
Hojlund - 60 + 4 in achievable add-ons (8m)

And this might be over several years in terms of the payment structure.

Amrabat gets us to about 200m and some decent sales to a net spend of 120-130m. Very much in line with what you'd expect of us, if we had someone half competent to sell our unwanted players.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
The ~20-25m from sales enables another 100m+ in allowable spending under FFP.

Irrelevant for the purposes of FFP. Definitely relevant when considering our cash position though.
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I took the article to mean 100m is what Glazers decide we can afford to spend this summer window, rather than what is left for FFP, because it's far to complicated to just set a simple FFP budget like that. FFP depends on transfer fees, agent fees and wages across the length of the contract. And that's not including sales and previous years of purchasing.
 
TheGodsInRed said:
I took the article to mean 100m is what Glazers decide we can afford to spend this summer window, rather than what is left for FFP, because it's far to complicated to just set a simple FFP budget like that. FFP depends on transfer fees, agent fees and wages across the length of the contract. And that's not including sales and previous years of purchasing.
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It. Has. Nothing. To . Do . With. The. Glazers.

Unless you count the last few years of overspending on them of course, which isn't their fault entirely.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Mount - £55M
Onana - £47.2M
Hojlund - £72M

Total - £174.2M

So that £100M budget turned out to be a pile of nonsense then?
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Not really. Amrabat will add to that spend, but we'll have to factor in potential sales of Bailly, Telles, Elanga, Henderson, Maguire, Williams, Fred, Mctominay, VDB, Martial by the end of the window, and see what our net spend ends up. Wouldn't surprise me if we end up £100-£120m as expected.

Though I do expect we'll have to replace Maguire and Martial in some form if they leave, though they'll probably be cheap deals.
 
croadyman said:
So if we can really spend that why is that Athletic article and likes of Ogden & Dawson saying we need to sell players in order to buy some
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Their article has aged well £165m and still not finished like I said Bs !
 
Rightnr said:
Your prices are all over the places.

Excluding add-ons (in brackets), they're:

Mount - 55m (5m)
Onana - 43m (4m)
Hojlund - 60 + 4 in achievable add-ons (8m)

And this might be over several years in terms of the payment structure.

Amrabat gets us to about 200m and some decent sales to a net spend of 120-130m. Very much in line with what you'd expect of us, if we had someone half competent to sell our unwanted players.
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I think your find we will look at 5 maybe 6 players not 4 major signings this summer can see the club spending £200-240m
 
Woziak said:
Their article has aged well £165m and still not finished like I said Bs !
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No it isn’t. We have and will continue to sell for it to align.
 
This was clearly exaggerated to help with negotiations.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Mount - £55M
Onana - £47.2M
Hojlund - £72M

Total - £174.2M

So that £100M budget turned out to be a pile of nonsense then?
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Those fees are not correct and we still have more player sales to come which will probably take our net spend closer to £100M. We've already netted around £21M from selling Elanga, Telles, Iqbal and Savage.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Mount - £55M
Onana - £47.2M
Hojlund - £72M

Total - £174.2M

So that £100M budget turned out to be a pile of nonsense then?
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As far as I understand it, there’s a club credit card with about £250m on it, so pure cash has never been the real issue. The £100m limitation was the FFP budget. Selling a homegrown player for £15m (Elanga) allows us to spend £15m per year over five years for FFP purposes. That is equivalent to spending £50m on a player (£10m/year x 5) plus £5m/year in wages which is 100k per week. That’s basically what we’ve spent on Onana so the Onana signing and Elanga sale are basically neutral in terms of FFP adherence.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Mount - £55M
Onana - £47.2M
Hojlund - £72M

Total - £174.2M

So that £100M budget turned out to be a pile of nonsense then?
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There's still a full month left of this transfer window

Elanga - 15m
Telles - 7m
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McTominay - 40m
Maguire - 30m
Fred - 20m
Henderson - 20m
Van De Beek - 20m
De Gea wages = 19m
Brandon Williams - 10m
 
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