Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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Many say Martin O'Neil, and while Martin O'Neil is good, he's not great. I'm impressed with what O'Neil did with his time at Leicester, and he hasn't done too bad with Celtic, but frankly he has hardly made any great accomplishments so far.

Rafa Benitez was able to outsmart Fabio Capello not once but...TWICE. Capello who has won four titles, in Italy and one in Spain. Amoungst Eurpoean Champions League Honours.

When It comes down it, you know deep down that O'Neill, would struggle to out think, Mourinho, Benitez and Wenger. he couldn't attract the calibre of talent necessary, and doesn't have any experience working with big egos either.

O'Neill is motivational, BUT..his knowledge of and contacts within European football would appear to be limited, he has no experience of working with megastar footballers and in truth has had little success at the very top level
 
skeeta said:
Many say Martin O'Neil, and while Martin O'Neil is good, he's not great. I'm impressed with what O'Neil did with his time at Leicester, and he hasn't done too bad with Celtic, but frankly he has hardly made any great accomplishments so far.

Rafa Benitez was able to outsmart Fabio Capello not once but...TWICE. Capello who has won four titles, in Italy and one in Spain. Amoungst Eurpoean Champions League Honours.

When It comes down it, you know deep down that O'Neill, would struggle to out think, Mourinho, Benitez and Wenger. he couldn't attract the calibre of talent necessary, and doesn't have any experience working with big egos either.

O'Neill is motivational, BUT..his knowledge of and contacts within European football would appear to be limited, he has no experience of working with megastar footballers and in truth has had little success at the very top level
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SAF was outsmarted by Houllier in numerous occassions (I mean we had passed from a period when we couldnt beat Liverpool no matter what we did). That doesnt mean he is better than him am I right?
 
vijay said:
Agree on the bit about continental managers but CQ is not the reason for our tactical problems.

Tactics and Formation don't win matches, players do. We are failing because we dont have the players.
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Er, I think managers & their tactics are an integral part of the game.

So, if a team fails or succeeds, it'a a combination of the manager, his tactics & the players.
 
Ranieri tactics,and subsitutions played the most pivotial role in chelsea failure to beat AS Monaco, last season

As a nation, you under-state the role of tactics, you place it as a italian thing, or something stupid like that

Liverpool, would never had beaten Juventus if there tactics weren't perfect
 
Granted, tactical errors can have a massive effect, as with Ranieri's spastic episode in the CL last year

But people definitely exaggerate the tactical element, with 2 managers duelling like chess maestros. You do a bit of work on their big threats and weaknesses, send the team out and make sensible substitutions. But basically it's up to the players to perform.

Course it's an element, it's just mythologised and romanticised
 
I dont understand the utter obsession with O'Neil.

Teams on far shorter budgets have got their teams playing better Football than the Lepruachan up at Celtic has his collection of mugs playing. He's not a top level manager.

Id prefer Le Guen, and im not even that keen on him to be honest.

No one really stands out. Moyes is a decent shout but likewise, his teams have never played the kind of Football I think we should demand from our next manager, if we want to go forward.
 
I do like ONiell, he does like width in his play whether its in a 352 or 442, and thats the kind of football I like.
 
Yep

And as I said before, it's a myth that his sides don't play decent passing football. They do, it's just they can scrap it out and play it long when they have to.

He's a winner, and he's waiting for United
 
I just don't understand why we go on a bit of a slide, and slip to, at worst, a mathematically guaranteed (god forbid) third place, and suddenly we have to have this manager conversation again.

Fergie isn't going til we win the Champions League again. And if that means he'll be doing a Bobby Robson impersonation in 15 years, then he will.
 
I saw alot of ONiells leicester as Im from there, it was 352 for most his time there, he always wanted to switch to 442 but never had the players. He had a really nice cetral midfield, lennon could tackle and pass like Keano, Savage ran around and did a bit of everything and Izzet was the the creator. Wingbacks were guppy (who Im surprised never made your fish team plech) who was a brilliant crosser but slow as feck so he had the same technique as Beckham and Impey who was quick but pretty pap otherwise, the midfield could play some really good stuff.
 
Benitez showed in the quarter-final clash with Juventus that, tactically, he can match up with anyone, even Fabio Capello, arguably the finest tactical strategist in Europe

You lot are trying to convince me that O'Neill could out-wit Capello, Benitez, Mourinho, Frank Rijkaard , even, Wenger.

his knowledge of and contacts within European football would appear to be limited, he has no experience of working with megastar footballers and in truth has had little success at the very top level and wouldn't be able to lure the calibre of player required to challenge the elite of europe.

Being Scottish Champion isn't a lure for a continential star even if you are manager of Man Utd.

It took Fergie best of 12 years to start luring well established player with high reputation to Man Utd, such as, Stam, Veron, Blanc,Barthez, Van Nistelrooij
 
skeeta said:
Benitez showed in the quarter-final clash with Juventus that, tactically, he can match up with anyone, even Fabio Capello, arguably the finest tactical strategist in Europe

You lot are trying to convince me that O'Neill could out-wit Capello, Benitez, Mourinho, Frank Rijkaard , even, Wenger.

his knowledge of and contacts within European football would appear to be limited, he has no experience of working with megastar footballers and in truth has had little success at the very top level and wouldn't be able to lure the calibre of player required to challenge the elite of europe.

Being Scottish Champion isn't a lure for a continential star even if you are manager of Man Utd.

It took Fergie best of 12 years to start luring well established player with high reputation to Man Utd, such as, Stam, Veron, Blanc,Barthez, Van Nistelrooij
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Feck's sake. "outwit Capello"....it's not about that
 
Don't you all think it'd be a laugh having a nutter like Big Sam in charge...........imagine him getting all cultured on the European front.

I'd love him rubbing shoulder's with the likes of Cappello. Telling them all how it is, up North style....... a bent banana he maybe. But he looks a no nonsense, bent banana.....with NWA attitude.
 
Plechazunga said:
I thought they played 4-4-2

Lennon Savage Izzet Guppy



Feck
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352 it was

Keller in goal
Kamark, Elliot, Walsh at the back
Impey, Savage, Lennon, Izzet, Guppy in the middle
Heskey and claridge upfront

It was great, better yet when colymore came in and tore rio a new one on his debut for Leeds.
 
Ferguson tactical failings cost United progressing in the champions league,as well as, finding out we are fine line away every season.

O'neill lacks tactical acumen.If he so good, then the celtic board, would have backed him more financally. Let him do a good job at newcastle, or man city against the top premier league managers. to prove himself.

Celtic maybe a relatively big club, but united is a institution. 75m supporters, different kettle of fish
 
skeeta said:
Ferguson tactical failings cost United progressing in the champions league,as well as, finding out we are fine line away every season.

O'neill lacks tactical acumen.If he so good, then the celtic board, would have backed him more financally. Let him do a good job at newcastle, or man city against the top premier league managers. to prove himself.

Celtic maybe a relatively big club, but united is a institution. 75m supporters, different kettle of fish
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Yeah...but what do think of Big Sam?
 
skeeta said:
big sam has done a commendable job, but united require the best of everything, including the best manager around, which big sam is not.
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He's got a bent banana, though, apparently...........according to Plech, anyhow.

What do you think now then eh?
 
Plechazunga said:
Nah, you saying O'Neill's not a top level manager is embarrassing
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Nothing of the sort.

I watched Celtic the other day and the Football they played was insanely poor.

How many top clubs has O'Neil managed? Leicester? And Celtic, who 'compete' in a league my own mother could play in if she donned a pair of boots and adopted a gruff voice.

O'Neils also pissed millions up the wall on shite players.

How can any United fan want a manager who builds his side around John Hartson and Chris Sutton FFS?

People say that Ferguson managed Aberdeen and the league wasnt much better then, that may well be the case, but I think to move forward we need to have a manager whose already established himself as a top drawer manager.

Mourinho possibly, he has Chelsea playing some decent Football when they need to.

It's going to be difficult. Id like a manager who didnt neglect the youth system, too, although in fairness O'Neils always given youth a pop at Celtic.
 
VanNistelrater said:
Nothing of the sort.

I watched Celtic the other day and the Football they played was insanely poor.

How many top clubs has O'Neil managed? Leicester? And Celtic, who 'compete' in a league my own mother could play in if she donned a pair of boots and adopted a gruff voice.

O'Neils also pissed millions up the wall on shite players.

How can any United fan want a manager who builds his side around John Hartson and Chris Sutton FFS?

People say that Ferguson managed Aberdeen and the league wasnt much better then, that may well be the case, but I think to move forward we need to have a manager whose already established himself as a top drawer manager.

Mourinho possibly, he has Chelsea playing some decent Football when they need to.

It's going to be difficult. Id like a manager who didnt neglect the youth system, too, although in fairness O'Neils always given youth a pop at Celtic.
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Are you having a laugh? How many 'top' clubs did Fergie manage before United...St. Mirren?...pissed millions on shite players - all managers do that, his record is as good as anyones. He turned some write-off's into match winners for his sides - Hartson and Sutton being two examples that you've kindly provided., although the context in which you've used them doesn't do you any favours, seeing as you were trying to point out the opposite. As for you saying he's not a top line manager.... :wenger:
 
Thing is............which class players do you expect MON to get for Celtic? which skillful top quality player is about to move to the Scottish league and play for Celtic? If you think about, he's at a dissadvantage with Setlik, he's got to do his best with frankly average players. Yet he's still done well in Europe. He's not really had the chance to prove himself with a top club in a major league, but if his record's anything to go by, there's no reason at all, why he can't succeed. To say otherwise, is crazee, because you can't tell, unless you've got a time machine.............and I doubt Van has. I really do.


That said, bring on Sam.
 
while i applaud o neils acheivements at all teams hes managed i dont think he should be a target for us

O'Neill is a fantastic manager ........












... for teams with low expectations! :(

He's turned Celtic from League winners into the second based team in Glasgow, got to give him that
 
He's fashionable again now after getting the best out of a limited squad, and making them hard to beat..

You should be aiming a lot higher
 
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