Moyes So Far!

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An another point I made, is about Moyes being avid student of the game. Where does this come from (I have heard it many times on Caf). I know that he went to France 16 years ago to watch the world cup, and that he goes to a lot of matches, but I would like to know more if his being a student of the game comes from only these two things or there is something that I am missing.

This is from the BBC article about Moyes' successful tenure at Preston:

But he acquired his coaching badges early in his playing career and carefully compiled notes on managers he played for, different coaching techniques; what worked and what did not.

He travelled to France 98, taking an invitation to observe the Scotland squad - again watching and learning.

This image caption really made me chuckle :lol:
Moyes is an astute tactical coach

Anyways, Moyes' current defensive approach is probably down to the sudden jump up he made from Preston to Everton along with the fact that he inherited a defensive Everton team from Walter Smith. I think that, given that Moyes had to deal with Smith's squad, he retained that defensive approach whilst adding a set way of playing football when on the attack (unlike Smith, who doesn't appear to deal with that side of the game). He strengthened Everton's defensive solidity whilst improving their attacking side of the game. Of course, once he improved Everton to a mid-table team, he wasn't pushed on by Kenwright to continuously improve.

Since Moyes wasn't pushed on to improve, Moyes kept with this defensive, reactive approach just because it worked for him initially. Of course, he continued on with this whilst failing miserably, here, and I hope he realises that this approach doesn't work here.

What Moyes' managerial career, so far, shows is that Moyes can adapt to different styles but he himself finds it tough to change his ways all the time and prefers to go with the safer approach. When he went to Everton, he made them solid and gave them a plan on the attack. However, he preferred the safe approach over his riskier approach at Preston and, thus, couldn't move on and take the next step. After having laid the foundations of a solid side, a good manager would set up a good, incisive attack. Instead, Moyes kept it safe and didn't improve his team's attack beyond the long-ball-to-the-target-man approach. Of course, he gave his attacking players some degree of freedom in their play, but his defensive approach meant that his attacking players couldn't fully express themselves without worrying about Everton's defensive shape and solidity.

This is the same mistake Martin O'Neill made at Aston Villa where he always played a target man up front and big, strong defenders to make Villa a threat at set pieces whilst they were an attacking threat from their inverted wingers (albeit with more crossing into the box than normal), target man, and box-to-box midfielders. This is one of the reasons why he failed at Sunderland as he didn't have a big target man to rely on and his inability to deal with football that is more modern.

What Moyes needs to do to succeed is to do what he did at Preston and give his attacking players more freedom in their play and show more belief in his players. I think the influence Moyes got from Walter Smith's Everton has caused Moyes to remain defensive over much of his career rather than become more attacking and more progressive in his football. The fact is that it's unlikely that Moyes will ever become proactive, again, even if we've seen some small signs of more proactive football in matches against lower-level opposition.
 
That's the thing, he may get us top 4 next year and be a hero but he is very unlikely to have the mentality to get the best out of players at a club like United. We might not be as awful as we have been this season but I don't think we will reach the level we are capable of with someone more adequate at helm.

This is it. He thinks top 4 is an achievement. He isn't prepared to push boundaries at all.

And he has failed to get anywhere near the potential out of this squad. Trust him with £200m? I wouldn't trust him with 50p.
 
As much as we have no real evidence of this, going by rumours and what not I could just imagine the look on the team's faces when after being used to the very best technical and technical coaching and the very apex of sports science and sports conditioning, when they tuned up first day back in training and saw Dave 'the PE teacher' Moyes setting out cones, handing out the bibs and barking "Run!" at them intermittently during the day as his only instruction.
 
This is it. He thinks top 4 is an achievement. He isn't prepared to push boundaries at all.

And he has failed to get anywhere near the potential out of this squad. Trust him with £200m? I wouldn't trust him with 50p.

You'd ask him to get an ice-cream with that, but then he'd bring you back the flake and he'd say he tried to get one, but he wasn't able to and that he'll try again next time. Then, if you complain you'd have people who support him telling you that you're spoiled for expecting the ice-cream and that it's only right you have the flake for a while.
 
P6 W0 D1 L5 F3 A14
That sequence alone should've done for Moyes.

:lol:

I honestly didn't imagine he would take his poor record against the top teams to such extremes with this squad.

Nice one, Davie.

Jose must be kicking himself that he overrated Moyes' united so badly in their first encounter.
 
And, yes, Moyes really has to stop using hope and try in any sentence. I figure it will take something like A Clockwork Orange set-up-where he's shocked every time he uses either of those words to get him to stop.

"I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand".
 
To put this season into perspective here, Crystal Palace have currently gathered the same amount of points as us since late December. They are also on a 5 match winning run, that is a longer run than we've managed in the entirety of this season. There cannot be any doubt that since January our form has been completely unacceptable.
 
"I will try to take despair, it's the hope I cannot aspire to stand"
"If I'd be offered despair earlier, I'd have taken it."

Seriously though, this stuff from Neville has worried me quite a bit:

“We have not fulfilled any levels of expectations this season,” Neville said. “We have failed on the football pitch and that doesn’t sit kindly with anyone.

“We’ve not had a lot of positivity. When you get to this stage of the season, it has been quite foreign for these players and this football club, to be out of all the competitions and not challenging for a trophy.

"There is a really empty feeling and there is an empty feeling in my belly. I thought we would be challenging for trophies and parading around the pitch after the last game of the season with the championship, European Cup or FA Cup. That is where the emptiness comes from."

Sounds like a depressing place to be at the moment, "not had a lot of positivity" is probably just an unfortunate choice of words but also seems bang on the money. If by some bizarre logic he stays on, I don't see how this turns around easily. We need a clean break.
 
"If I'd be offered despair earlier, I'd have taken it."

Seriously though, this stuff from Neville has worried me quite a bit:



Sounds like a depressing place to be at the moment, "not had a lot of positivity" is probably just an unfortunate choice of words but also seems bang on the money. If by some bizarre logic he stays on, I don't see how this turns around easily. We need a clean break.

You're reading way too much into those comments. Of course there hasn't been a lot of positivity in this failure of a season.
 
You're reading way too much into those comments. Of course there hasn't been a lot of positivity in this failure of a season.
Well positivity is a mindset, an attitude. I imagine he meant "there haven't been a lot of positives", which was why I said it was an unfortunate choice of words. But unintentionally he was actually pretty close to the mark. The emptiness was actually the worrying part though. Where's the determination to get back to the top next year? Where's the anger about how shit we've been? Emptiness sounds like we're in a rut and don't know how to move on from it. I no doubt am looking too deeply into what is essentially a fan lamenting his team's downfall, but it's symptomatic in my eyes of the current regime. Completely uninspiring.
 
Well positivity is a mindset, an attitude. I imagine he meant "there haven't been a lot of positives", which was why I said it was an unfortunate choice of words. But unintentionally he was actually pretty close to the mark. The emptiness was actually the worrying part though. Where's the determination to get back to the top next year? Where's the anger about how shit we've been? Emptiness sounds like we're in a rut and don't know how to move on from it. I no doubt am looking too deeply into what is essentially a fan lamenting his team's downfall, but it's symptomatic in my eyes of the current regime. Completely uninspiring.

You should read the rest of what he said:

"That's where the emptiness comes from and it will stay with us until we win the Premier League back again or the FA Cup or the Capital One Cup or the European Cup.

"That's what this club is all about – winning trophies. It's not about finishing second, third or fourth and qualifying for the Champions League. We have to win leagues and have to win trophies. The boss knows that and that is what he wants to do himself."
 
He should get the sack the moment Liverpool win the title. Heads should roll for this. He has brought us extreme bad luck.:mad:
 
That fecking shite just makes it worse. We should have been right in there. He has to go.
 
Hate hearing him talking about preparing for next year - I know, I know, "What's he supposed to say?" - it's just so depressing.
 
We can't allow Liverpool to supercede us again.

Sack this goon already FFS!
I'd like to think that if Fergie hasn't turned already, this'll make him.
 
Get this fecking shite out of town already! :mad: Just the prospect of Liverpool of going back on top is more than enough to sack the twat ASAP before things get worse. Preparing for next season, my ass.
 
A part of me died when he said he was preparing for next season. Those aren't the words of a man who's been warned that he faces the sack.

Very well - let's see what 14/15 Moyes with a United season under his belt has to offer.
 
To be honest Liverpool winning the title might very well work in David's favour. Those backing him within the club setup could point to the fact that Rodgers took a team from 7th to champions in the space of just one year. Taken out of context it might strengthen his position in hope of a turnaround in his second season. Plus he seems very confident about his job security and the rebuilding job. At face value I'd say the club still supports him and he will return irrespective of this season's performances.
 
A part of me died when he said he was preparing for next season. Those aren't the words of a man who's been warned that he faces the sack.

Very well - let's see what 14/15 Moyes with a United season under his belt has to offer.

We don't have time to see what this loser 'has to offer' after a season of utter failure. He can show us what he has to offer making some relegation fodder hard to beat. If he isn't fecked off by the end of the season then I fear for our future.
 
He is just so boring and uninsightful

"Not everything you read is correct, I've got to say that,"


"We're linked with player after player and every time I go to a game I'm supposed to be signing three or four players from that game.


"That isn't the case but everyone is well aware we are looking to make signings and will try to do that whenever the opportunity arises. It will probably be after the end of the season before anything takes place but we have got to look to do one or two things."


Thanks for that Dave. We never knew.
 
We don't have time to see what this loser 'has to offer' after a season of utter failure. He can show us what he has to offer making some relegation fodder hard to beat. If he isn't fecked off by the end of the season then I fear for our future.

In which case, get your fearing-pants on. I can't see him leaving.
 
He should get the sack the moment Liverpool win the title. Heads should roll for this. He has brought us extreme bad luck.:mad:

The really ironic thing is him getting sacked would take away a significant amount of the media coverage Liverpool would get, which would doubtless piss them off a bit.
 
He's a dire, negative, defeatist manager and we need shot of him now before he does lasting damage. The thought of him still being our manager next year depresses me.

If we sacked him at the end of the season it would be the single best moment of our season for me. Easily.
 
Just get him out ffs. Liverpool winning the league makes me hate him more. We deserve better than potty training this mid table manager.
 
If only we'd lost to Olympiakos. By some accounts, that would have done it. Gah!
 
He's a dire, negative, defeatist manager and we need shot of him now before he does lasting damage. The thought of him still being our manager next year depresses me.

If we sacked him at the end of the season it would be the single best moment of our season for me. Easily.
Yeah I find it hard to get excited about next season too, personally. But we probably have one more season of his shoddy tenure to handle.
 
I honestly feel like any Manchester United discussion is meaningless lately. As long as Moyes is at the helm we wont be contending for anything. Hes the X factor. With him we will suck, without him it will be interesting again.
 
I honestly feel like any Manchester United discussion is meaningless lately. As long as Moyes is at the helm we wont be contending for anything. Hes the X factor. With him we will suck, without him it will be interesting again.

Wish he was the Ex Factor.

Boom!
 
just when we've made peace with how sh!T the season has been, and how he'll fix it in the summer,Pool happen.
 
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