If you think about it, Moyes has actually done well to keep us out of the relegation dogfight with this group of clowns at his disposal. Staying up should be our primary target.
Moyes So Far!
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I agree with you. Though I'd argue a case for Wenger. The results would still only back up Ferguson being extraordinary though, because all his success came early and followed Theon's Chelsea model of withering away, only without a subsequent revival yet.
Everton? It will be clearer in retrospect, but after the honeymoon is over with Martinez itll be interesting to see whether Everton can sustain the kind of consistency they had without that managerial longevity.
40 points, we're nearly there!
Wonder why that is..
Arsenal haven't spent anything in this period.
They have actually earned around £10-15m, which I think is quite relevant.
It goes back to what we spoke about before, how success is relative.
Yes but the idea that money is important for success isn't up for debate. Neither of these things proves anything about the success/failure of their attitudes to management. We can merely speculate on it, which (IMO) is often driven by our belief that one is good and one is bad.
It could be tricky though with tough games coming up.
It really is very strange.
Concord Rangers and Hayes & Yeading United are almost as good as us too.
Almost as if he hasn't been given a chance.
I reckon they'll be able to remain fairly consistent. Not quite to the level of top 4 contention where they are now, but there's no indication that Martinez won't be there for a long time. He showed at Wigan that he's not a man to immediately jump at job offers and will probably keep them around 6th-8th, where Moyes generally had them in recent seasons.
I don't think they have a better squad than us, although we're hardly a million miles ahead of the likes of Tottenham and Everton at the moment which is fairly worrying, but we still should be finishing ahead of them despite our own weaknesses.
Martinez problem has always been defending. Right now he has a solid backline built by Moyes. When that backline breaks up, Martinez has never proven he can build a backline, then we'll find out how good he is.
I assume these quotes have been posted but I'm not arsed reading pages of crap to find out.
Mourinho...
I guess we can add him to the 'needs to be given time' column then.
Mourinho...
I guess we can add him to the 'needs to be given time' column then.
He doesn't say he's the right man for the job though does he? He just says what a fantastic job he has, seems slightly envious.
Mourinho loves Manchester United, doesn't he? You'd never have heard him say anything similar about Barcelona when at Madrid.
We can spend all night listing thing he didn't say if you like.
What he did say was "They feel all together on this. The manager is calm and they are thinking this is our manager for the next two‑three-four-five years. So they’re all together and are going to rebuild again a big team."
He could have said nothing at all.
"Some inside information..." Yeah right, like Mourinho knows what's going on behind the scenes at United.
He has a good relationship with Sir Alex.
So blatant that he wanted the United job. He would have been great for us too IMO, he's got the bit of arrogance required to step in after Sir Alex and not be overwhelmed by everything and he's a proven winner wherever he's been. For that interview though, he's hardly going to kick Moyes while he's down. Mourinho's always respected Sir Alex and United and probably thought of us as how a club should be run (compared to the other clubs in England).
At least he's making the most of what his predecessor left him with. And he was left with considerably less.
That's nice, but considering you said "he's in the give Moyes time camp" I just presumed he'd maybe have said something that would indicate that he is. That line above has nothing to do with Moyes and everything to do with the club. The only thing I've concluded from his comments is that he thinks Moyes has a "fantastic job", was given a "fantastic situation", and that in all likelihood Mourinho wished he was in that situation instead. In fact, from Moyes' perspective Mourinho has said taking over from Ferguson isn't an issue and that the players are behind him because they know he's going to be there longterm, he's basically putting all the blame on Moyes and putting pressure on him to get it right in the future by intimating he has the perfect job. I read it and thought he was being very patronising rather than supportive, but maybe I'm just clouded by my dislike of the man.
Agreed. Mourinho never opens his mouth before a big game to say things that won't put pressure on his opponents. Mourinho is, in a roundabout way saying, you've got a great job that you're failing at David and the reason you'll survive is because of the type of club you're at and the patience they'll give you. Jose's more or less saying: I would be succeeding where you are not Dave and, oh by the way, people at your club are talking to me about your performance because they know that too. Its meant as a wind up.
Moyes has my full support, however he should not be devoid of criticisms. As others have said, our position in the league without Fergie this season should be around 4th, potentially 3rd if our best players stay fit from now till the end and fire on all cylinders. Our league position cannot be simply pinned upon Moyes' lack of dealing with things though, however he has played his part.
The biggest issue Moyes is facing this season, in my opinion, is that our squad as a whole is good but our strongest X11 with/without our main two players is incredibly weak, especially compared to our rivals. I guess it could even be debatable that our squad when compared with the top 3 this season is weak.
The biggest issue Moyes is facing this season, in my opinion, is that our squad as a whole is good but our strongest X11 with/without our main two players is incredibly weak, especially compared to our rivals. I guess it could even be debatable that our squad when compared with the top 3 this season is weak.
According to twatter moyes is at Bordeaux vs psg tonight....
still on vacation?
still on vacation?
Muppet site tuttomercatoweb.com is saying that moyes is expected to be at the next napoli game in order to see hamsik in action.
In all seriousness he's likely to be scouting for the summer.
Quite a leap that.
Moyes is like one of those OAPs who's just his bus pass and is determined to use it whether he has anywhere to go or not.
Really? How have the injuries been over there? What about the pressure?
The two jobs can't even be compared.
Nope. Moyes got the hardest job in the world, with 20 handicapped.
It's a good thing he got us 7th, anyone else would have seen us relegated. I agree with your sentiments here, it wasn't comparable getting Everton to 5th and getting United the Goliath of football clubs into 7th
Yeah, let's forget that one of the two got a far better squad. Only things that make Moyes' job harder should be considered.
everyone assumes Moyesy is doing loads of scouting at these top European games.
When probably he just likes watching some big games
Oh that guy who just scored for Madrid looks good, write his name down...
When probably he just likes watching some big games
Oh that guy who just scored for Madrid looks good, write his name down...
Over the last few days Moyes has been to Turin, Naples and Paris allegedly on "vacation", can someone remind him he is needed in Carrington to prepare for the Chelsea game.
Don't tell me P Nev and Lumsden are doing the training...........FFS!
Don't tell me P Nev and Lumsden are doing the training...........FFS!
The old 'personal check' by a manager on his transfer targets can mean quite a bit to some players. It indicates that a manager really wants them. Hopefully Moyes is also meeting with some of these players agents whilst he is out there too.
Remember that we lost out on Ramsey due to Wenger doing the groundwork on the transfer whilst Fergie sent G Neville.
I am glad that Moyes seems to be working his nuts off in order to improve United's prospects in the transfer market.
Remember that we lost out on Ramsey due to Wenger doing the groundwork on the transfer whilst Fergie sent G Neville.
I am glad that Moyes seems to be working his nuts off in order to improve United's prospects in the transfer market.
Media seem to be hyping up the Mourinho comments as some genius mind games, when all he's done is state something obvious. Clearly the board won't be happy with the current performances and our current league position. He hardly needs "inside information" to tell him that. I think Moyes is clever enough not to let him create any rift between him and Fergie.
As as for the scouting. I think it makes us look proactive rather just sitting twiddling our thumbs. And I don't think we are doing it just to keep up appearances. It seems unlikely that if Moyes was going to be buying any of the players in this window, he'd need to be scouting them now, at the last minute. You'd think that he would have done the legwork already. With that in mind then I'd guess that the players being watched now are with a view to buy in the summer.
As as for the scouting. I think it makes us look proactive rather just sitting twiddling our thumbs. And I don't think we are doing it just to keep up appearances. It seems unlikely that if Moyes was going to be buying any of the players in this window, he'd need to be scouting them now, at the last minute. You'd think that he would have done the legwork already. With that in mind then I'd guess that the players being watched now are with a view to buy in the summer.
To me those Mourinho comments read like he is trying to be magnanimous. My first impression, before reading what everyone else said, was that he is trying to evolve his style a little bit, be a bit more sophisticated with his mind games - perhaps be a little bit more like SAF. As we know SAF also did whatever it took to gain any advantage he could over his opponents but at the same time he was seen as a friend to all (most) managers, like a father figure almost, and he was not in the business of kicking managers when they are down. I wondered if he was exhausted by the drama of his time at Madrid, and before that the media circus in Italy, and wanted to be a bit less confrontational in the way he interacts with other clubs, ingratiate himself with people a bit more, perhaps earn a new kind of respect.
But then knowing Mourinho I am probably being utterly naive to have thought that, even for an instant. Being Mourinho it probably is more likely he is sticking the knife in very subtly.
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