Mourinho's post match comments

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The board can back Mourinho to a certain point, but he needs to convince the players and create a good atmosphere, and he seems incapable of it. He lost Real's dressing room, it happened at Chelsea and more than probably it's happening again. That's three in a row, always just after a pair of seasons. If he really needs to change half of the dressing room everywhere after two years, then he needs to take a look at himself before spouting all this garbage about others.

Or maybe he needs to convince the fans the most of the player here are not has good has the fans think or at least doesn't work has hard has they should. Yes, Mourinho had problems at chelsea, AVb had them too, Benitez, even Conte need to sent some guys away after being Champions.

Real Madrid dressing room. Was there a time that there weren't any problems in there?
 
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This is confusing for me. Working on something for 2 days is not a lot of time, but he makes it seem like after two days the players should grasp whatever strategy he is trying to instill.

Yes but hiding should not be the response if you work on something for two days.
 
Can't say we weren't warned about him, history just repeating itself again, for me he needs to go before he does too much more damage.
with you on that- guy is just asking for the sack. How can he be so critical of his players this much? "I can only talk about the good ones- Matic... er... " . so what message does that send to the 'bad ones'- de gea? Antonio? Smalling? Bailly? Mata? Martial? rashford? etc..... This is as poor management as I have seen by a top manager. Today I actually got angry with Jose. I feel sorry for these players
 
The fans should start booing and waving white hankies at some of these players. Mourinho is right, many of them melt under pressure. The way to toughen them up is to really pile it on and see who makes it back out of the darkness. Those that do will be stronger for it. Those that fail we can stop wasting time on. We all remember the booing of Fellaini. To his credit he came out stronger and better for it.
 
This is confusing for me. Working on something for 2 days is not a lot of time, but he makes it seem like after two days the players should grasp whatever strategy he is trying to instill.
Pep used whole year to injects his attacking idea and philosophy to City, Mourinho thought he can did it for 2 days.
 
Or maybe he needs to convince the fans the most of the player here are not has good has the fans think or at least doesn't work has hard has they should. Yes, Mourinho had problems at chelsea, AVb had them too, Benitez, even Conte need to sent some guys away after being Champions.

Real Madrid dressing room. Was there a time that there weren't any problems in there?
The facts are that Real Madrid actually pissed on each and every team in Europe once Mou left them, having won 3 out of last 4 CLs.
 
I find the whole 'well if you can't take this criticism then you shouldn't be playing for United' shit really tedious tbh. Do you really believe that crazy rich footballers who are in their mid 20's are sitting today and thinking that my manager isn't happy with our effort so we should give more in from next game, no one in any job thinks like that let alone footballers . They are obviously going to ignore the first couple of times and if it happens too frequently there will be issues inside the dressing room

Really, most people that get a dressing down in everyday society buck their ideas up at the thought of being fired I would find. Also, these are professionals as you say, they will have had criticism all throughout their careers and wouldn't have made it to where they are if they didn't respond in anyway.

You aren't going to get consistently brilliant attacking football when players like McTominay, Lingard and Rashford are in your front six. Desire is little to do with it.

If he intends to replace the likes of Martial with more 'workers' in their mold then we're going nowhere fast.

He's not asking for brilliant football, just people to show for the ball.
 
Who signed and picked the players today?

He wanted fast build ups but played Smalling at the back?

He is always in praise of Matic but for me he has been poor in his actual team functions for a while now. He hogs the ball and takes the longest time to move it on. We have not for a any period this year played consistently great football. Even when we were winning 4-0s.

He clearly loves Mata because he allows him to go and do whatever he wants on the pitch. Even though Mata hardly ever plays a defence splitting pass nor is he great when pressed. Mata plays like Messi in this team, its unbelievable. Shaw plays well, goes on the bench when Young is ready. Shaw plays bad, goes on the bench for Young. He doesnt fancy him and Shaw knows.

Jose refuses to get the team to press from the front which results in every single team we play basically walking into our half when they want to. You have to ask if he is even playing to his teams strengths.

He is taking the easy route and blaming the players. Eventually he will lose them and we will probably have a stinker of a season cos of it. If Woodward was a football man he would anticipate this and sack him this summer. Bayern pulled the plug on Ancelloti nice and early and turned their fortunes around.


Ofcourse he didn't sign all the players that started today. Smalling and lindeloff were the only options and I think in this knock out I'd picked Smalling if I were him too. Matic had a solid game today and was involved in both the goals. He's not perfect but he puts in a shift. If I were to blame, I'd blame Martial ,as he was running like a headless chicken all over the pitch. How about sticking to the LW and making the pitch wider. Jose loved Mata I'd he does why did he sell him to us in the first place? Jose plays Mata because he is the only one who plays for the team attack wise. All the others players including Pogba play like they left their brain back home.

Not all the teams rely on pressing. Some like to maintain their shape while defending instead of hunting in packs and that's what we do. Considering we've conceded one of the least amount of goals, it works for us.

He defended the players after Sevilla, but having worked explicitly on certain routine and players not implementing it today is when he blamed a few and deservedly so. Who do we go for exactly after Mourinho gets sacked? What's the guarantee the players will suddenly start performing for the new manager, cause many of these players were responsible for getting rid of 2 managers and they still not performing for the current one. We're on course to finish second. Will you sack the new manager if he come second again? At what point do we start blaming the players instead of the manager?
 
For the whole 2!!! days they have been training differently, and alas 6 or 7 players did not get it.
What if someone comes out saying that for almost 2 seasons and having spent 300+ million quid Mou still was not able to get the team play the way he wants. Would Mou be content with that? Is his job just to tell the players what to do and they are supposed to do that? If that is his role then at least half of the caf could do a job that Mou is responsible for. Jose is paid megabucks to make sure that his team gets the results. If it does not, then it is Jose's fault. If he can't win his players it is his fault.
 
Before and after each of our last few games it has become the Jose Mourinho roadshow!! Not the kind of publicity our club craves, and his comments are always ambiguous, which is manor from heaven for the press to fuel the ABUs with the player fall outs, the discourse in the dressing room, leading to the proverbial “Crack” in the badge on the back page.

Starting to see why Sir Bobby didn’t want this guy anywhere near our club, it is getting old real quick.
 
Fergie used to say that at the start of every season he would look the players in the eyes and recognise which ones were up for the fight.
There have been some players, mainly the ones bought for ridiculous fees that Fergie would not have near the squad. Martial and Pogba are the obvious first two. They are poison, they have to go. Next are the 'scared' ones; Mata and Shaw. Then there are the 'too old ones' but good servants, Valencia and Young. Then there are the 'not good enough ones, Bailley ,Smalling, Damien, Blind. Then there are the 'not proven' ones Sanchez, Lingard, Radford, McTominay. How many can a team carry? It can carry the 4 not proven ones if the other 7 are really the required class. But we have 3. And people wondered why we lost to Seville? It was just amazing we beat Chelsea and Liverpool.
United need 2 no8s and 2 fullbacks as a priority. Maybe the forwards can respond, maybe not. Two summers at least to sort this mess out. And sacking Jose now would be the absolutely most stupid thing to do.
 
Mou is not going anywhere, the squad was in such a shambles (and is still not fully turned around) because it has players from past managers who do not fit together very well (and are also not the best). There is no viable alternative manager on the market with the necessity credentials and tbh the board probably hopes mourinho will stay 10 years or more though that will require success in the league.

Mourinho is trying to shake the tree, trying to get a reaction from his players. He has defended them and misdirected the press more than enough and he has decided a new approach is needed.

It is partly to appease the fans because everyone can see the on field effort is not good enough and mou wants to reassure the fans that he knows that. Its also a message to some of the players that he, the club and the fans will not wait forever for them to get to the necessary level. If they don't learn how to be winners, replacements will be found.

Its the right thing to do as a manager and to be honest I thought it should have been done earlier, maybe after the abject league cup elimination. The squad transformation project is not that far off from bearing fruit. We are probably 1 full back, 2 midfielders and 1 top quality right sided forward away which can be done in 1 summer.
 
Fergie used to say that at the start of every season he would look the players in the eyes and recognise which ones were up for the fight.
There have been some players, mainly the ones bought for ridiculous fees that Fergie would not have near the squad. Martial and Pogba are the obvious first two. They are poison, they have to go. Next are the 'scared' ones; Mata and Shaw. Then there are the 'too old ones' but good servants, Valencia and Young. Then there are the 'not good enough ones, Bailley ,Smalling, Damien, Blind. Then there are the 'not proven' ones Sanchez, Lingard, Radford, McTominay. How many can a team carry? It can carry the 4 not proven ones if the other 7 are really the required class. But we have 3. And people wondered why we lost to Seville? It was just amazing we beat Chelsea and Liverpool.
United need 2 no8s and 2 fullbacks as a priority. Maybe the forwards can respond, maybe not. Two summers at least to sort this mess out. And sacking Jose now would be the absolutely most stupid thing to do.

Nice try.
 
Man, José talked a lot of shite again, but I liked the last part of the interview (about the weak players, the possibility of losing them etc). It's risky, though.
 
We're always a few players away, every season, how long is it gonna take for people to see what's right infront of them, or are we going to be a few players away every summer until the end of time.
 
We're always a few players away, every season, how long is it gonna take for people to see what's right infront of them, or are we going to be a few players away every summer until the end of time.

We have a small window about 2 seasons before several players become too old and need replacement. I think due to a lack of viable targets and budget mou will accept his centre backs as is. 1 top left back, 2 midfielders at least 1 top quality and 1 top attacking talent preferably left footed. Thats about as strong a squad as one can hope for and frankly should be good enough to win the league. It will then become a coaching problem instead of a lack of quality problem.
 
The facts are that Real Madrid actually pissed on each and every team in Europe once Mou left them, having won 3 out of last 4 CLs.

That's true but what does it have to do with what i was saying? Even this year there were reports that Ronaldo and Ramos weren't seeing eye to eye.
 
Very last part of that conference, if i understood it properly, is him placing young ones into that weak group of players, from where they either change on positive or not. His view about players is just... in tonights game he wanted to change Valencia and Shaw and somehow senior survived, even if he was a bit more worse then Shaw, outcome would be the same. Then again, when strong mentality player like Ivanovic couldnt be moved...
 
That's true but what does it have to do with what i was saying? Even this year there were reports that Ronaldo and Ramos weren't seeing eye to eye.

Harmony at football clubs is over rated. Look at Roy keane literally nearly coming to blows with some of his team mates in the dressing room or on the training ground. That's what you need to win. You need a hard nose bugger who you know will be merciless if you let the club down or don't show desire. That helps keep everyone focused and on the same page.
 
The facts are that Real Madrid actually pissed on each and every team in Europe once Mou left them, having won 3 out of last 4 CLs.

I may be a paid-up member of the "that was definitely a meltdown" camp, but in fairness, that was kinda his whole point. Or as close to a point as he was straining to make amongst all the nonsense. When he took over Madrid they hadn't reached the CL quarters in, like, 8 years or something? The side he helped to build subsequently becoming a mainstay of the latter stages is precisely the kind of "heritage" he was waffling on about.

I don't think it had much, if anything to do with his failure to beat Seville,... But if you were going to make a case for his self-justifying rantage, that'd be pretty much the case you'd make.
 
I’m with Jose on this one. Our attacking players kept fecking up the final pass. That’s not on the manager.

I kept saying during the game that our fullbacks are not supporting the attacks enough - when young came on, we had a better attacking outlook on that side. That’s not on the manager.

Valencia kept passing the ball backwards when he had attacking opportunities. Seriously, this team is filled with underperformers.
 
We have a small window about 2 seasons before several players become too old and need replacement. I think due to a lack of viable targets and budget mou will accept his centre backs as is. 1 top left back, 2 midfielders at least 1 top quality and 1 top attacking talent preferably left footed. Thats about as strong a squad as one can hope for and frankly should be good enough to win the league. It will then become a coaching problem instead of a lack of quality problem.
Ermm, we only have Matic and Sanchez as first team quality players who are near their 30s.
All others like Young, Valencia, Mata, Smalling are good enough to be back up, not 1st choice.
DDG, Bailly, Pogba, Martial, Lukaku who I consider as the other first team quality players we have are in their early to mid 20s.

CB looks like Alderweireld is available, he's the best CB in the league and would compliment Bailly very well.
2 CMs only if we are going to play 4-3-3, if not I would be happy with 1 CM, a DLP preferably and 2 top quality FBs
I don't think we will be signing an attacker. And why do we need another young inconsistent attacker?
We already have two very talented youngsters who are struggling for game time and consistency.

Add Alderweireld, Jorginho, Sandro and a RB and the team is complete.
 
The facts are that Real Madrid actually pissed on each and every team in Europe once Mou left them, having won 3 out of last 4 CLs.

He gave them that belief. Until he got there, Real Madrid never got past the round of 16 for 8 straight seasons with their Galacticos. Mourinho broke the hoodoo hanging over Real Madrid. It was easier for his successors to build on that foundation and win plenty of CLs after him.


If he builds this current United side with players with desire & strong characters, it might not be him that would take United back to the glory days, it might be his immediate successor, that’s how football works. Mancini broke the PL hoodoo for Man City too. Mancini’s successors have all won a league title cos the entire team now has the belief that winning the PL is their birthright.


Jose is right - the football heritage since Fergie left has been subpar.
 
I’m with Jose on this one. Our attacking players kept fecking up the final pass. That’s not on the manager.

I kept saying during the game that our fullbacks are not supporting the attacks enough - when young came on, we had a better attacking outlook on that side. That’s not on the manager.

Valencia kept passing the ball backwards when he had attacking opportunities. Seriously, this team is filled with underperformers.

I have noticed this for months now. If we hadn’t won this game, his detractors automatically blame his tactics that he was too negative. I don’t know how a manager will instruct his team not to score when the chances come or tells them to deliberately screw up simple passes. It’s such a lazy analysis from the anti-Mourinho goons.

The long & short of it is that we have too many mediocre players in the club. Some of these mediocre players already have a cult followership amongst the fans or in the media who cannot see anything wrong even when the so called player is massively underperforming so revert the type and blame the manager that his tactics are too negative.

So negative tactics is the reason Man Utd players cannot make simple passes from 5-10 yards? It’s the reason our midfielders cannot control a ball with one touch? It’s the reason our setpieces are mostly shit? The players have to take a whole lot of responsibility for their lack of desire. I hope Woodward flushed out the deadweights this summer. Enough is enough!
 
Disagreed with him after Tuesday but completely agree with him. Mata, Martial, Shaw, and Lingard were all shite today. Pogba and Sanchez have been shite lately too. I have no problem with going after them some in public. Try to light a fire.

Shaw especially, people don't remember that Pochettino, Hodgson, and LVG have all said similar things about Shaw. It's a problem with him, not the managers when it's four like that going after him.
 
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I watched that game carefully yesterday and I said to someone next to me, 'Surely, it cannot be the manager teaching the boys not to pass or make basic on field decisions well. If it's him, then he is finished as a manager'. My take us that some of our players are just too average. If you don't have it, you don't have it. It's as simple as that. I suspect Jose came in trying to cut the pucture of the changed, patient, calm, Manchester United - worthy manager. Things haven't exactly panned out well so he's trying a different approach. He's being his real self now. Unfortunately, this might create problems.

I think both the board and fans should back Jose up until the end of next season. I suspect he'll come good. But if he doesn't by then, everyone will be calling for his head.
 
He gave them that belief. Until he got there, Real Madrid never got past the round of 16 for 8 straight seasons with their Galacticos. Mourinho broke the hoodoo hanging over Real Madrid. It was easier for his successors to build on that foundation and win plenty of CLs after him.


If he builds this current United side with players with desire & strong characters, it might not be him that would take United back to the glory days, it might be his immediate successor, that’s how football works. Mancini broke the PL hoodoo for Man City too. Mancini’s successors have all won a league title cos the entire team now has the belief that winning the PL is their birthright.


Jose is right - the football heritage since Fergie left has been subpar.
He won 0 CLs with Real Madrid. He had a total meltdown at the end of his tenure and was sacked. These are facts. Also the fact is that basically the same core of players plus a couple of youngsters won 3 out of last 4 CLs. So, they improved vastly without Jose. I give Mou 0 credit for Real's CL cups. Just like I give 0 credit to Moyes for Van Gaals FA cup, and sweet feck all does LvG have to do with Mou's EL and League cups at Utd.
 
I’m with Jose on this one. Our attacking players kept fecking up the final pass. That’s not on the manager.

I kept saying during the game that our fullbacks are not supporting the attacks enough - when young came on, we had a better attacking outlook on that side. That’s not on the manager.

Valencia kept passing the ball backwards when he had attacking opportunities. Seriously, this team is filled with underperformers.
I agree completely. It’s risky business for a manager to publicly rip his team in modern football, but Jose isn’t wrong, in my opinion.
 
Ermm, we only have Matic and Sanchez as first team quality players who are near their 30s.
All others like Young, Valencia, Mata, Smalling are good enough to be back up, not 1st choice.
DDG, Bailly, Pogba, Martial, Lukaku who I consider as the other first team quality players we have are in their early to mid 20s.

CB looks like Alderweireld is available, he's the best CB in the league and would compliment Bailly very well.
2 CMs only if we are going to play 4-3-3, if not I would be happy with 1 CM, a DLP preferably and 2 top quality FBs
I don't think we will be signing an attacker. And why do we need another young inconsistent attacker?
We already have two very talented youngsters who are struggling for game time and consistency.

Add Alderweireld, Jorginho, Sandro and a RB and the team is complete.

Alderweirelds agent is trying to hawk him, but Levy is a bitch to deal with and i wouldn't be surprised if he asked for 75 million (while pointing to van dyjk), we can cope with the centre backs that we have. It's not ideal but with a better midfield the defence will not be tested as much.

As you have mentioned 5 or 6 or our starters will start to need to be phased out in 3 years. They are good enough if played with a few top drawer players.

We need 1 more top quality attacking player. Right now we only have lukaku sanchez and mata as experienced dependable attackers. The rest are investments for the future or squad players (lingard) not good enough to make the difference consistently.

We are not phasing out young or Valencia yet, we are short of experience as is. We may play young as right back though for his crossing.

I see us playing 433 or 4222 next season. Unless pogba is sold we will not play 4231. Better more attacking fullbacks will mean we need the midfield to sit deeper for balance and pogba just isn't the right choice for that job. Right now we just don't have enough midfielders which is why pogba keeps getting pushed into that role. We will correct that in the summer.
 
Ofcourse he didn't sign all the players that started today. Smalling and lindeloff were the only options and I think in this knock out I'd picked Smalling if I were him too. Matic had a solid game today and was involved in both the goals. He's not perfect but he puts in a shift. If I were to blame, I'd blame Martial ,as he was running like a headless chicken all over the pitch. How about sticking to the LW and making the pitch wider. Jose loved Mata I'd he does why did he sell him to us in the first place? Jose plays Mata because he is the only one who plays for the team attack wise. All the others players including Pogba play like they left their brain back home.

Not all the teams rely on pressing. Some like to maintain their shape while defending instead of hunting in packs and that's what we do. Considering we've conceded one of the least amount of goals, it works for us.

He defended the players after Sevilla, but having worked explicitly on certain routine and players not implementing it today is when he blamed a few and deservedly so. Who do we go for exactly after Mourinho gets sacked? What's the guarantee the players will suddenly start performing for the new manager, cause many of these players were responsible for getting rid of 2 managers and they still not performing for the current one. We're on course to finish second. Will you sack the new manager if he come second again? At what point do we start blaming the players instead of the manager?

I will go bit by bit...

If I were to blame, I'd blame Martial ,as he was running like a headless chicken all over the pitch. How about sticking to the LW and making the pitch wider. Jose loved Mata I'd he does why did he sell him to us in the first place? Jose plays Mata because he is the only one who plays for the team attack wise. All the others players including Pogba play like they left their brain back home.

You think that Martial was the one running around the pitch and Mata was using his brains? Jose likes Mata because he is riskless, but what that actually means for the team in attacking sense I don't know. His attacking numbers are a clear enough indication of his risk averse playing style.

Not all the teams rely on pressing. Some like to maintain their shape while defending instead of hunting in packs and that's what we do. Considering we've conceded one of the least amount of goals, it works for us.

Even ignoring the fact that nearly every current top team presses, when teams are actually in our half we allow them to do too much.

He defended the players after Sevilla, but having worked explicitly on certain routine and players not implementing it today is when he blamed a few and deservedly so

It took a whole season to get his team to function the way it's doing this season. And Jose thought he could do it in 2 days? 2 days to undo seemingly what has been trained the whole season.

Who do we go for exactly after Mourinho gets sacked? What's the guarantee the players will suddenly start performing for the new manager, cause many of these players were responsible for getting rid of 2 managers and they still not performing for the current one. We're on course to finish second. Will you sack the new manager if he come second again? At what point do we start blaming the players instead of the manager?

If I saw a plan and then saw flaws from players within that plan then I would be ready to blame the players. Jose bought Sanchez and Pogba, its on him to get those guys to perform. If you ask me, I don't think he has a plan to fit them in cohesive team together.
 
Somebody in the upper management structure of the club needs to put the bus into park before Mourinho rolls over the whole team.
 
I cannot seriously believe that anyone is going to defend his post match comments. He’s completely lost the plot now. This is a carbon copy of what happened at Chelsea. There is no way you don’t lose the dressing room after a tirade like that, throwing the players under the bus in such public fashion.

You have a team of young players and it is your responsibility to mold and shape them into top performers. All Mourinho is done is expose his inability to manage the squad and inspire his players. The buck stops with him. It’s not just the players he inherited, it’s the players he’s bought too. The man is fecking deluded and toxic. It’s a scorched earth policy. What’s next? Another massive clear out?

The writing is on the wall, if you haven’t seen this movie before then spoiler alert, it’s not a happy ending. He actually said he doesn’t care if he loses some of the players. And I believe him. He’s just going to keep burning through people. Is it the majority of the squad that lacks class and personality, or has the manager lost the confidence of his players?

Seriously, this shouldn’t even be a fecking question anymore. Most of the Chelsea squad were desperate to oust him, and it looks like the United squad is headed in the same direction. How many times does history have to repeat itself before people stop being surprised?

He’ll be gone at the end of the season. And if he isn’t, we are fecked. His comments after the Sevilla game were hugely disrespectful to the fans and his employers, and comments after today’s game were aggressive and alienating towards his players. Scorched fecking earth. The man should be inspiring and building consensus. He’s incapable.
 


Jose Mourinho! :lol::lol:

Just watched the presser now. He's just a very blunt, hard taskmaster. I think it will come down to how much the board backs him in his approach and how well he is able to keep the core of his dressing room. If these are positive, he'll build a very strong team that will do well even after he has left. His method is certainly very risky though.
 
I’m with Jose on this one. Our attacking players kept fecking up the final pass. That’s not on the manager.

I kept saying during the game that our fullbacks are not supporting the attacks enough - when young came on, we had a better attacking outlook on that side. That’s not on the manager.

Valencia kept passing the ball backwards when he had attacking opportunities. Seriously, this team is filled with underperformers.

Yes it is. :lol:

Fcuking hell. Passing in the final third got nothing to do with our training? Heard it all now.
 
He won 0 CLs with Real Madrid. He had a total meltdown at the end of his tenure and was sacked. These are facts. Also the fact is that basically the same core of players plus a couple of youngsters won 3 out of last 4 CLs. So, they improved vastly without Jose. I give Mou 0 credit for Real's CL cups. Just like I give 0 credit to Moyes for Van Gaals FA cup, and sweet feck all does LvG have to do with Mou's EL and League cups at Utd.

So if Jose was the problem, how come the Galactico team that had Zidane, Fat Ronaldo, Guti, etc failed to get past the round of 16 for 8 straight seasons? I am sure you cannot answer that question...

What’s more, Real Madrid hadn’t won the domestic cup competition for 18 years until Jose went there and won it for them. Let’s not also forget the La Liga record he still holds in Spain when his team scored 121 league goals and notched 100 points to win the league and Pep trailed by 9 points.

Whatever Madrid are achieving now is because of the belief Jose gave them when the club was in the wilderness especially in the Guardiola era in Barcelona. Then you went on to say it was basically Jose’s team and a couple of youngsters is the difference? You are being economical with the truth.

Bale, Isco, Carvajal, Casemiro, Kroos and Keylor Navas arrived after Jose left. All these players are starters in Real Madrid debarring suspension or injuries. So you see.....your facts have a huge dose of bias in them. The media have beclouded your senses to always think Jose epitomises anti-football.
 
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