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Super Ed well, ok, maybe not so much. I don't really trust the Glazers. It will take an awful lot to convince me they love the club and have its best interests at heart. Yes they have invested. Yes, there is still a big debt. Anyway my hope always is that whoever is managing, whoever is advising the Glazer family (there are four or five of them in decision making spots on the board) from a Football/Manchester United/European/British side knows best and have the clubs and fans interests at heart, and I am hoping the Glazers listen to and support these people. After that, I could not give a feck about the owners.
This can only be a positive move imo. Back him in the market and let him build a squad of his players. Really don't want us to become a club who sees a new manager come in every 2/3 years meaning the club is forever in transition.
The football we play is so much better under Jose, he gives youth a chance when he can, he's won trophies and has the desire to stay and bring us back to the top. Not quite sure what else he has to do.
The football we play is so much better under Jose, he gives youth a chance when he can, he's won trophies and has the desire to stay and bring us back to the top. Not quite sure what else he has to do.
The difference in the reaction to this news between today and the days after the derby is incredible.
I think you missed the point. We don't operate like Chelsea and Madrid. Our players will get the message that Jose is in charge and club is behind him. That was never the case in Madrid and Chelsea with the likes of Ronaldo, Ramos, Cassilas or Hazard and whoever else were leading revolts against he manager. That never happened with us under Fergie, let's hope we achieve that kind of stability again.
You also take example of two clubs that sacked every manager that worked for them, not so glaring sign how it would turn up here.
We went through a negative period from November that stretched into December I think. Results, the demeanour of the manager. Fast forward a few weeks, and with the potential arrival of Sanchez and the possablity of Mou extending the mood has completely changed.
All that is left if for Utd to go unbeaten the rest of the season and win both the EPL and Champions league then we will be in full party mood
I think Poch would be really exciting and don't think he's that unrealistic.
Fantastic news for the club. Let's hope he continues with the progress made so far.
That's the key, isn't it? When people complain about Mourinho being short term they don't take into account how those clubs operate. There's never going to be a long term manager at either one of those clubs - at least not under Abramovich/Perez.
there is reason why United want to extend his contract , it's not just about on-field performance, it's about off field, he is big profile manager, arguably the most popular football manager in the world nowadays, he is marketable, he sells newspaper , it suit United profile so much as popular sport brand and powerful company , we aren't going to hire low profile and nice manager no matter how good their football is
He is popular, United are popular, it's match made by heaven
yes, but he is our cnutGood for him, still think he's a cnut
in chelsea, madrid and inter, he had all those cnut like abramovich , moratti and perez breathing behind his neck , in united he is pretty much comfortable and have more authority , that's why i don't think he will leave anytime soon
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I agree. But unfortunately people hardly pay attention to those facts.
Exactly. Zidane won back to back Champions Leagues and yet there's a real chance he will be out this summer.
In recent times, no manager has lasted longer than Jose at Chelsea or Madrid. These clubs change manager like catwalk models change outfits at a show. If anything Jose should get credit for sticking it out under the craziness of Perez and Abramovich for so long.
Where Jose is left in peace to get on with his job he does it exceptionally and without a fuss. Look at what he did at Porto, look at what he did at Inter. He only left those clubs for bigger jobs elsewhere. However, now he's landed at United there is nowhere bigger to go from here. He's done Spain and Italy. He and his family clearly likes it in England. Unless there's a falling out with the Glazers why would he leave Old Trafford?
He has always said he wants to manage Portugal and maybe in 2020, 2022 or 2024 the vacancy will come up. In the medium term I see Jose staying at United though.
No, I didn't miss anything. His problem at both clubs was losing the confidence of a group of players, and it can happen here again at some point. Clubs operating one way or another has nothing to do with it. When it happens the solution is always the same.
Mourinho will be here while he can keep the team performing and a good atmosphere in the dressing room. This could be one month, 2 seasons or 10 years, we'll see, but it depends on him and his management. The fact itself of signing a long term contract is not going to do any miracles.
Exactly. On a sidenote, I think it's actually the same regarding his transfer dealings and him supposedly never giving youth the chance. The people in charge at Chelsea, Inter, Madrid, they clearly don't give a toss about the long term. As a manager you get trophies and results as quickly as possible or you're out. I think this very much reflects in the lack of long term development of young players and transfer dealings at those clubs over the last 15 years.
That's not to say Mourinho doesn't prefer older/mature players himself, clearly they are more ready from a physical and mental point of view to give stable performances week in week out over the course of a season, which on its turn leads to a bigger chance of winning. But I really suspect that keeping him in charge for a long time will lead to good examples of long term development of younger players too.
Agreed. We're already seeing that he likes McTominay and Rashford (although you could argue that it's a no brainer to use Rash). He also sanctioned a world record fee for a 23 year old.
Whether or not he stays isn't what concerns me the most. I'd be happy when/if the club begins planning long-term and acting proactively rather than reactively. If that's with Jose as the manager, then great, if it's with someone else, still great, only I hope he's given the platform to succeed.
If he agrees to the contract extension, then it almost certainly means that the board have promised to back him in the transfer market, so he can fight toe to toe with MCFC and Pep.
This is good news for us fans as it means that for the next few years at least, we are going to battle it out with MCFC, for the league title.
This is good news for us fans as it means that for the next few years at least, we are going to battle it out with MCFC, for the league title.
Good post. Stability is what we have been lacking since sir Alex retired. Jose will build a proper base for the next manager to take over. Very happy with this news.
Loosing the confidence of a group of players shouldn't be a reason to sack a winning manager with the portfolio of Jose Mourinho.
Mourinho lost the confidence of a declining Casillas who leaked locker room secrets to the media, it was war zone after that. While I agree it's much easier to replace a manager than a player like Ronaldo I don't want such player powers at our club, and those players worthy of such powers are rare anyway. The same group that went against Jose at Chelsea now probably causes trouble to Conte as well, after yesterdays comments. The point I was making is clear.
Yes different clubs operate differently, it has something to do with that. Can you imagine United sacking a manager after winning the CL like Real did with Acnelloti? Or when they sacked Mourinho after winning them the only La Liga title since 2007? They won another last year, they have a total of 2, in 10 years. To answer my own question, no we wouldn't do that.
The atmosphere in the dressing room will be fine as long as the players know who makes the decisions and rightly so, while we perform and win of course. Him signing another contract will send a much better message to players thinking he might be gone in a year, and fancy the other guy coming while collecting their paycheck.
Won 2 cup finals, victories against Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, undefeated against Liverpool. Sitting 2nd in the league at the moment. The actual reality of Mourinho's short time at Utd is far different to the one you and the anti-Mourinho section of the media choose to believe.
Because he's managing Tottenham. It's absurd to judge a manager by how many trophies he's won when he hasn't managed a top club. He's turned Tottenham from sixth-best into genuine title contenders while playing very attractive football and promoting youth. By any reasonable measure he's done an outstanding job at Spurs as well as at Southampton.
I'm amused by the fact that despite all my reservations and criticisms, I welcome the news.
Million fecking times this. Can someone please post a table of spendings by teams in EPL for the last 5 years. I am sure Poch did a lovely job taking into account that he usually loses some of his key players to more wealthy teams.
Pff, even Martinez managed to win FA cup with Wigan
And he has turned Spurs into genuine title contenders? Really? IMO he has hardly overachieved at Spurs, they are playing at the level they should based on their squad, nothing special.Ridiculous. They are massively overachieving under Poch. Even their quality of football is among the best and it's all on a shoestring budgetPff, even Martinez managed to win FA cup with Wigan
That is surely overstatement. Massively overachieving? Do you expect Spurs to be in a relegation zone with the squad they have?
Any team can do an occasional fluke cup run. It's another thing entirely to maintain consistency over several seasons. Spurs were the biggest threat to the English champions in the last two seasons. If that's not being title contenders, I don't really know what is.Pff, even Martinez managed to win FA cup with Wigan
That's one side of the argument. Other side is at the start of last season many thought they had the best defense in the league, best fullback pair, one of the best midfield pair and arguably best striker and attacking mid.
So he has spent less than every manager in top 6 but quality of team was better than ManUtd. So it's reasonable expectation to win a trophy.
Excellent news
So Poch has turned a 6th placed Spurs team into a 5th placed team now? And still not even won a Cup.
While Jose has taken us from 5th-6th to 2nd and won our first Europa League, the last trophy we hadn't won, and a Cup, in just his first full season.
While Jose has taken us from 5th-6th to 2nd and won our first Europa League, the last trophy we hadn't won, and a Cup, in just his first full season.
Overachieving relative to their resources. We can agree to disagree so this doesn't ruin a thread celebrating Jose's contract but I'll end by saying the man is doing all this while his top 6 rivals are spending around 300mil. Dispelling the myth that you need to spend big to play good football
Yeah any team can do fluke cup run except amazing Poch team. Last season they challenged for a title I agree but the season before they finished with 70 points and 11 behind Leicester... It's the same 'threat' as we are now for City... All I want to say that he is a decent manager, definitely above average but nowhere near Pep or Mou (yet). But what do I know, it's Caf's dream manager together with Tuchel and Sarri who all share 1 thing - they have won feck all in their career.
Great news. Sign him up!
So what would you do in Real's situation, for example? With most of the group (including the main stars) all against the manager? Sell them all? You can take into account the division inside the fanbase about his figure, too. Would you sell the fans too?
Mourinho was given more power at Real than anyone in its history. They backed him in all kind of decisions, and gave him that contract sending a clear message to the players. A message that was ignored by most of them, like it happened with Chelsea players and like it could happen here again or anywhere else.
You say many right things that I agree with. The club should back the leader and remove the power of the players, but there's a limit on that. If a manager loses the dressing room at some point for diverse reasons, then you can't change 12-15 players to fix the problem. Well, you can try it but good luck with that. We know the normal procedure and that's why I say the club's way of operating is not the key of the matter. In certain situations there's no margin to decide.
And I think is right to give him a new contract despite not being a big fan, so he doesn't face the third season with just one year remaining. If he's commited to stay the club has to back him in every way, so that's the logical decision. I'm just against the naive triumphalism and getting overconfident, thinking the job is done and we don't have to worry about anything for the next 2-3 seasons, because it would be a mistake. If he remains for that time (or even more) then congratulations to everyone, but that guarantee doesn't exist in football and even less with this man involved.
progress must continue and I'm referring to the effectiveness of our attacking and our tactics in big games
the club shouldn't be satisfied with top 4
the club shouldn't be satisfied with top 4
It came to that mainly because they knew Jose wasn't untouchable, they were. And if you read it again, I said players like Ronaldo and Messi give you no choice but give them those powers, and it was stupid from Jose to get into conflict with Ronaldo if there was one. Ramos and pricks like Hazard shouldn't hold that kind of power, and should be told to feck of in my opinion. Real could have handled that situation much better as did Jose. The fans at Madrid boo legends like Raul and Casillas, so why bother? The reasonable ones will tell you that Jose brought them the La Liga title over the most dominant Barca team in history and improved them in the CL. Fans will go along with the club, remember how we cherished David Moyes?
You are right about that, they backed him but it wasn't enough. That's why they are second fiddle to Barcelona for 15 years, winning 3 domestic titles while spending over a billions euros. Yes they did win 3 CL titles, but feck me, they've been Barca's bitches almost every year.
Far from me being overconfident, I just pointed out that it's a good move, with probably clauses that give us escape routes and cancelling options.
Isn't it also funny how there were never any player power problems while we had a stable and backed manager? Maybe I'm naive but, I want that for our club.
Why the rush to renew his contract. Should have waited until next season.
That just means he will leave after the next season.
Come guys, wake up. That's a classic Mourinho move. He always signs new contracts before leaving. Obvious exceptions being Porto and first Chelsea stint (maybe, not sure), since he was not so high-profile back then. And had not worked up this little money-extortion scheme.
He signed new contract at Inter in 2009, until 2012, he left in 2010 for Real. He signed his second contract there in 2012, gone in 2013. Goes to Chelsea signs an initial contract in 2013, then a new one in 2015. Gone the same year, but that was because he was fired due to catastrophic results. He wanted to create a toxic atmosphere so that he could go in 2016 according with his scheme, but kind of overdid it i think.
Honestly the guy has done it three times in a row now, i find it extremely funny that some people fail to see this. Or regard this as a coincidence. Clearly the guy knows, that the new contract allows him, well his agent, to negotiate more inflated wages in the new place, also allowing him to collect his golden parachutes on the way.
Come guys, wake up. That's a classic Mourinho move. He always signs new contracts before leaving. Obvious exceptions being Porto and first Chelsea stint (maybe, not sure), since he was not so high-profile back then. And had not worked up this little money-extortion scheme.
He signed new contract at Inter in 2009, until 2012, he left in 2010 for Real. He signed his second contract there in 2012, gone in 2013. Goes to Chelsea signs an initial contract in 2013, then a new one in 2015. Gone the same year, but that was because he was fired due to catastrophic results. He wanted to create a toxic atmosphere so that he could go in 2016 according with his scheme, but kind of overdid it i think.
Honestly the guy has done it three times in a row now, i find it extremely funny that some people fail to see this. Or regard this as a coincidence. Clearly the guy knows, that the new contract allows him, well his agent, to negotiate more inflated wages in the new place, also allowing him to collect his golden parachutes on the way.
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