Are you seriously going to pretend that the club isn't backing Mourinho financially?
Mourinho says it will be difficult to catch City next season
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Are you seriously going to pretend that the club isn't backing Mourinho financially?
I don't really see any evidence that he's not being backed fully. He spent a huge amount of money, the club got him Sánchez in January, the only thing he can point at is the Fellaini saga (how depressing that there is one) and that we didn't cave in to Inter's ridiculous demands for an average left winger - instead of whom, I repeat, we managed to get Alexis Sánchez.
No I know they are. I’m just saying they aren’t able to compete with City’s Sheikh money which some are turning a blind eye to and implying it shouldn’t make a difference when in fact it is a massive difference.
SAF unfortunately came up against the best Barca team for donkey year twice. He didn't win the number of CL's his talents deserved.
yeah because Luke Shaw was bought for peanuts right? Mourinho bought Sanchez FFS, he made that squad imbalance. Mourinho was actually applauded for getting rid off Rooney.
As for the bolded part of your post, Mourinho himself brought on the Guardiola comparison by banging on about how Guardiola had all the stars and how he had nothing. If we had De Bruyne, Aguero and Silva when Mourinho took over, De Bruyne would be as inconsistent as Pogba has been, Silva would look just like Mata has looked and Aguero would be chasing long balls all season, that's the type of football Mourinho knows.
So what's the narrative now? Are we still going for the freak season where we would have won the title in every other season?
Or we've abandoned that now for the City have a god squad impossible to make up a 16 point difference (btw that difference was 0 points before Mourinho joined). The gap between Chelsea and Man City last season was 15 points.
Or we've abandoned that now for the City have a god squad impossible to make up a 16 point difference (btw that difference was 0 points before Mourinho joined). The gap between Chelsea and Man City last season was 15 points.
I would really like to have the Cool Aid you are drinking because somehow we are not watching the same team performances week in week out that I am and many other fans.
It is very frustrating not being able to compete with City. We're never able to beat them on fee, agent fee, and wages when both clubs go for the same player, never. And we certainly never get that player, either. We don't have the highest wage bill in the league, we haven't broken the world transfer record on a player, we haven't broken the PL transfer record on a player, either. We always miss out on the players Mourinho wants.
Great post. The club should sack Mourinho then if we are not going to win the league under him. I was ready to forgo my enjoyment of our football only if we were winning major titles. If that’s not even on the table, then Jose can FECK off.
We should get in a top attacking coach while we wait for Pep to leave. At least, our football would be pleasing to the eye and I can enjoy watching United again.
I won't matter who we sign, even a Neymar if we cannot turn them into a functioning team.
Really won't be sad to see the back of Jose. He's so negative. We need to get an attacking manager.
Overrating Alex Ferguson? The man won a title with the likes of Cleverly and Anderson playing huge roles, Mourinho would cause a fall out with everyone and get himself fired if he were ever to deal with a similar situation. It's the Mourinho fanboys who are willing to fling mud on our legends to defend the self declared special one.
So we should tell him to fe.k of if we think or the club thinks he won't win the title. And lets bring an attacking coach just to enjoy football even if we wont win squat.
That sounds great.
Not.
We shouldn't just wait for Pep to leave and nobody is saying that. Even Jose. United shouldn't wait for someone to leave to come back on top and certainly should hire a manager just to enjoy football even if it means we're in City's shadow.
What if Pep won't leave in a foreseeable future? Then what?
I hope I'm not the first to point out that the thread title isn't an actual Jose quote?
Have a word with yourselves.
Have a word with yourselves.
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You're on ignore from before but I'm going to answer you anyway. I'm certainly not 'flinging mud' or whatever on SAF. I'm just saying I doubt he'd win the CL. Quit all that fanboys stuff. There is a middle ground between Jose haters and Jose fanboys you know..
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Accusing me of spinning.
The title and the post are literally from the horse's mouth. Take it whatever way you want .
Yeah, didn't get the spinning accusation at all.
I really don't buy the money excuse. Yeah they spend more than us but we spent far more than Liverpool/Spurs and we aren't 19 points clear of them. He isn't doing the worst job but he can get more out of these players.
Well it’s looking likely that we won win the title under Mourinho. The coach himself is the one admitting such things.
Under Mourinho we would end up not winning the title while playing shit football along the way. That’s too hard a pill to swallow.
We should at least enjoy our football if we are not winning squat. That’s fair.
How is it looking likely? Where did he admit that? Point to it please.
He didn't win the CL when he had some brilliant sides. The CL to me involves a lot of luck. I always think of it as a glorified cup competition. A wrong decision by a player or a referee, we had plenty of the latter can rob you.
But we are ahead of them though, the only reason we aren't 10 plus points ahead of them is because we chucked the league in after the City game.
For me, its not a 19 point gap in the same way if we stayed focused and were 12 points ahead of a half assed Liverpool side.
These dead games are just in the way.
So u basically just repeated what I said. My worry is he spends 200m brings in quality players who have a couple of years left and by time he leaves we have never really experienced them playing great football. I've no doubt Jose can bring in big names, but I have doubt in how he makes them play.
I'm not expecting much next season, the only way we even get close to a title race under Mourinho next season is if City players cool off or face serious injuries to vital cogs in their team. I just pray we look at least cohesive and play decent football next season.
He'll leave a great squad for the following manager by the way his signings are going, which what you should care about then and it denies your point. Mourinho is very trustable with money. It's not even a question.
Yeah for sure. Maybe things would go his way and certainly we have a good team.
After all as someone said how long we're gonna compare every United team with SAF ones'?
I'm with you on Jose, he should do a better job but on the other hand his job is portrayed by some as disastrous one or something and still the same myths prevail which people use just to bash him endless. I mean his every word is twisted just to look bad. Not to mention that 'attacking manager' stuff. It's like United should hire some manager, any manager just as long as he's an attacking one. Who cares if we're a football powerhouse or we should be one.
"And the reality of the numbers is between second and fifth the difference is three or four or five points, but the difference between the first and the second is a difference of 19 points and that's the reality of the numbers.
"Can we close that gap in one season with a very difficult market, absolutely difficult market? We are going to try."
It does not get clearly than this. If you are expecting him point blank to say we are unlikely to win the title next season, then you must be really naive.
If and when we do not win the title next season, he would simply say we tried like he stated earlier.
The GURANTEE of wins with him was always the main reason (or the reason at all) I wanted him as our coach. If that is gone, then there’s not much. There’s no real benefit sticking with him.
Words 'we will try' don't mean he's admitting he can't win the title. You do understand that don't you?
I think you're the one who is naive.
He won't certainly say he is guaranteeing the title next season cause there's no GUARANTEES in football. But he didn't admit he can't win the league with United. It's just in your head I'm afraid.
I don't get your logic,is your logic we should sack him cause of these words, after he finished 2nd in the league?
This. Also whilst City might be ahead of us - there’s no excuse losing or drawing to the teams who have a fraction of our budget.
Ha! PATHETIC man,
here, Jose, you should sell our most attacking and positive players, and just a buy a bunch of tall blokes and while you're at it, extend Fellaini's contract, if that doesn't help us catch City, I don't know what will
here, Jose, you should sell our most attacking and positive players, and just a buy a bunch of tall blokes and while you're at it, extend Fellaini's contract, if that doesn't help us catch City, I don't know what will
Good old Jose, always trying to sparkle a debate on the Caf.
Now it's clear what he is doing most days sitting alone in Lowry (scrolling, chuckle, scrolling...).
Now it's clear what he is doing most days sitting alone in Lowry (scrolling, chuckle, scrolling...).
What's very interesting is that the sentiments displayed on these last couple of pages, most of them being nonsense by the way, actually match perfectly with Mourinho's (alleged) miserable approach to the game of football 
He's just putting pressure on the board by going publicly.
There can be all the money in the world available to him but he (Jose) has to get the transfers right. The last thing we need is another failed transfer window. I'll be raging if we blow our money on another ''super star'' like Dybala who simply won't fit us or make us any better (see Sanchez).
There can be all the money in the world available to him but he (Jose) has to get the transfers right. The last thing we need is another failed transfer window. I'll be raging if we blow our money on another ''super star'' like Dybala who simply won't fit us or make us any better (see Sanchez).
You don't really need excuses, you can and will logically lose games against teams that have a fraction of your budget, in isolation every game can be seen as KO game and you can always have a bad day. Where we don't have excuses is when we aren't outperforming teams over an entire season(which isn't the case at the moment) or when we aren't playing more cohesively and more consistently than "poorer" teams.
If that's the case then city sounds like they are about to go back to back.
I'm seeing a lot of people say Pep inherited an exceptional squad while mentioning the likes of Sterling, Fernandinho and Otamendi.
The revisionism is getting out of hand.
In the summer of 2016, there are only three players the Car would have taken from them. Aguero, KDB and Silva. Silva had even been poor for two seasons.
Anyway, that's water under the bridge.
The revisionism is getting out of hand.
In the summer of 2016, there are only three players the Car would have taken from them. Aguero, KDB and Silva. Silva had even been poor for two seasons.
Anyway, that's water under the bridge.
It's the goal scored that bothered me. People keep going on about LvG, remember how bad it was under LvG. That was unbelievably bad, it doesn't mean what we have now is great. It is an improvement, yes, but it could be a lot better and if it had been the results would have been better as well.
Fully agree, the manager is the one that makes the team mediocre or great. I too can't believe how people can slate SAF to try and prove a point for Mourinho's difficult challenge and less than expected achievements. Firstly SAF would never have spent 75 mil on Lukaku, he too thought Utd needed a striker in his last season and went out and bought RvP. He would not be begging any player to stay like Jose is doing with Fellaini and how often did he have to do with the team he had while other teams were strengthening and the Glazers were draining the funds off the club. How often did he have to tell the fans and press there was nothing of value in the market at the end of transfer window (not quite sure he believed that either). Yet the man was able to get the players performing above their level and with one good buy RvP, won the league. I think it is a low blow to use SAF and the team he left behind to justify Mourinho's short comings, it isn't as if Jose was starved of financial backing in the transfer market, except Jose has not gone about his spending wisely and has yet to improve one player's performance since arriving, SAF improved all players he had at his disposal. He protected his players when things weren't going well, Jose throws his players under the bus at every opportunity to clear himself of any blame.
People were arguing that Memphis was better than Sterling.
Let's assume Jose stays for 2 more years which is probably likely. Sanchez will be 32, griezman will be 30, bale 30s kroos 30s (if we buy them). Pogba 27 lukaku 27 .... My point is he can buy all the great players but by time the next manager comes he will need to reinvest and we woulld not have got to see the best out of these guys because of his style of play. We are miles behind city and there style of play. Quality will always be on par but how much do we continue to throw on the table if we wont play better football. Thats all i want to see, better football.