Nice to see the kids but I don't think Jose really deserves much credit for it today
Mourinho doesn't play youngsters!!
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all these youngsters can be part of the first team squad next season. gives us a lot of options.
bring some top level signings in and we have a pretty good platform to make a challenge.
Really looking forward to Wednesday after today's positive display and result.
bring some top level signings in and we have a pretty good platform to make a challenge.
Really looking forward to Wednesday after today's positive display and result.
All these youth players we saw today: Tuanzebe, Fosu Mensah, Harrop, Mitchell, McTominay could have and should have been used strategically in the league this season. Players who would bring us bags of energy and would help us refresh our squad. Just use 1-2 each game around Nov-Jan! That's the period where we looked jaded and out of ideas. A little injection of youth would do us no harm. We missed a trick.
Fair enough but the point still stands and looking at Tuanzebe, he wasn't in the first team picture until all was lost in the season and Jose had decided to throw it away. What I am against is the total lack of a deliberate strategy to integrate the kids whilst we are wasting millions on squad players who have no potential to grow and are very limited.
I think all it proves is his aversion to kids isn't as strong as it used to be. That point was made in the OP and, exceptional circumstances that they are, it was emphasised today. The issue is Jose's ultra-pragmatic response to difficult situations (e.g. his reaction post Spurs in their title winning season) but he's changed as time goes on.
Hahaha I didn't even think of that! Would be nice to see Gomes do well with us
Totally agree. Been banging the drums for a few seasons. The likes of Harrop for example always look talented enough to be developed into a squad player at least for United and we have had some over the years (even more so recently). It's not been just Jose but I fail to see a clear strategy from the club to develop/blood those players. We don't even have a decent feeder club to loan out our youngsters these days. It's fair if the manager demands some experience/maturity but the youngsters have to get it somewhere, either at the club through lesser pressure circumstances (deliberately, not like today when we're lucky that we have a dead rubber game and it's EL final 3 days after, it won't happen next time) or on loan. It's astonishing that Harrop's 21 and this is actually his first professional game ever. Of course the U23s system in England is a joke but a club of our resources should have found a way to workaround it.
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He has been telling anyone who will listen that this game did not matter. He does not deserve a ton of credit for playing kids in a match that does not matter.
As a poster above mentioned, plenty of times we'd play dead rubbers where we were already champions etc. and SAF would still opt for established stars.
It's clearly an anomalous sort of game. Some of these kids I don't expect will get many other chances before leaving us, but one or two of them should already have had more this season, particularly TFM and Tuanzebe. Although for me he's never quite been special enough that I've seen him 'making it' with us, I'm surprised it's taken so long for Harrop to get his debut. Nice that it went so well for him!
Regardless of how meaningless it is, nice touch of José to get Gomes on the pitch to set the record. Now there's someone who definitely is special enough. As good at his age as any of our most fancied youngsters over the last decade or so, maybe even the much-mythologised Ravel Morrison.
Regardless of how meaningless it is, nice touch of José to get Gomes on the pitch to set the record. Now there's someone who definitely is special enough. As good at his age as any of our most fancied youngsters over the last decade or so, maybe even the much-mythologised Ravel Morrison.
Peter Pan, I see.
Mourinho should prove his critics wrong next year by fielding a squad of several former Man Utd-acadamy players. We might have Pogba, Rashford, Lingard, Keane, A. Pereira and J. Pereira in the squad. On top of that it should be a good chance for Tuanzebe or Mitchell.
I would probably prefer to see Tuanzebe and Mensah going out on loan, and being ready for the 18-19 season.
But I think it would give Mourinho an exciting and lojal core of players. If we manage to mix in with a few world class players it would give us an excellent Ferguson-type of squad
I would probably prefer to see Tuanzebe and Mensah going out on loan, and being ready for the 18-19 season.
But I think it would give Mourinho an exciting and lojal core of players. If we manage to mix in with a few world class players it would give us an excellent Ferguson-type of squad
why not?
Nothing will change as long he sticks to his "if you are old enough,you are good enough". Nobody wants to see kids running around 15 games in a row but for few games he can use their fearless attitude,will to prove them self etc.,specially at OT and they could do a job for him. Sadly he doesnt trust to those unknown (to him) potentials in youth levels and make leap of faith.
Those who are so far up,can defend it by giving Rashford as example,how much he played him etc.(not as striker because Ibra had to play every single minute,even if its 10:0 score) but the truth is,Rashford would never happened under JM last season.
Those same saying that kids arent ready and maybe they are right but problem isnt them being not ready,more like even not ready,they arent worse then some seniors and yet they get all the minutes because of age and not their skills or current form.
Edit: Just listen SAF interview regarding youth,really miss that great man.
Those who are so far up,can defend it by giving Rashford as example,how much he played him etc.(not as striker because Ibra had to play every single minute,even if its 10:0 score) but the truth is,Rashford would never happened under JM last season.
Those same saying that kids arent ready and maybe they are right but problem isnt them being not ready,more like even not ready,they arent worse then some seniors and yet they get all the minutes because of age and not their skills or current form.
Edit: Just listen SAF interview regarding youth,really miss that great man.
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I will give him more credit when he bloods players in the early cup matches next season rather than a game we really don't want to play. I'm glad they played today though, was pleasantly surprised to see so many get a game.
Circumstances were like that we fielded all those youngster. Nevertheless myth that he doesn't trust or like youth players is a myth that has been busted long time ago.
First of all which top manager gives loads of chances to youth players?
Second if you're good you'll get a chance. This year only time we could have fielded some youth players was maybe in the league cup early. You don't just throw young players just for the sake of it. Not only that, we already have few promising young players which are regulars. And I'm sure some of the guys who played today will get chances next year. First of all TFM, Tuanzebe and hopefully Pereira too.
First of all which top manager gives loads of chances to youth players?
Second if you're good you'll get a chance. This year only time we could have fielded some youth players was maybe in the league cup early. You don't just throw young players just for the sake of it. Not only that, we already have few promising young players which are regulars. And I'm sure some of the guys who played today will get chances next year. First of all TFM, Tuanzebe and hopefully Pereira too.
Jose said right at the start of the season that up until this point in his career, the reason why he "hasn't played youth" was that he was always still in the competitions right to the end of the season. Therefore he could never not play his best players. And to be fair, he had a point.
Van Gaal got lots of praise for playing youth, but really that was out of necessity and was aided by the fact that he was only still in the FA cup.
I think Jose has kept to his word, by playing youth when he has the ability to rest others, at home, when the league position is not affected by the game. I respect that.
And as he has also said recently, if the player is good enough, then the age does not matter. So while a lot of his 'teenage' minutes have come from Rashford, he has still played him and he could always give Fosu-Mensah and Tuanzebe minutes in the years to come, as they could well be decent squad players, that eventually develop to more.
Van Gaal got lots of praise for playing youth, but really that was out of necessity and was aided by the fact that he was only still in the FA cup.
I think Jose has kept to his word, by playing youth when he has the ability to rest others, at home, when the league position is not affected by the game. I respect that.
And as he has also said recently, if the player is good enough, then the age does not matter. So while a lot of his 'teenage' minutes have come from Rashford, he has still played him and he could always give Fosu-Mensah and Tuanzebe minutes in the years to come, as they could well be decent squad players, that eventually develop to more.
We should play similar teams next season in the cups to see which of these players can do it when it counts.
If only Gomes started over himImagine what the age would have been without Rooney skewing the average.
He won't play them when games matter sadly.
Mourinho doesnt play the youngsters from the reserves should be more like it. He prefers to buy the 22-23 year olds who have proved it by plying a season or two for another club already. If we hadnt been in the 6th hole and we hadnt of been playing a final 3 days after, none of the youth on show today would of played.
Your point being?
Chelsea were playing a meaningless match against a relegated Sunderland and yet he chose to give 0 young players a chance and I don't see anyone bat an eye. Same for manchester city and pep, wasn't pep supposed to be a Messiah for academy players. Can anyone tell me how many academy players have he given a chance. If anything city's academy is considered good , so why doesn't he give chance. Funny, the only player who was considered good from city academy was kelechi iheanacho and even he has been ignored now. Yet never seen anything bad written about pep.
Bar pochettino I haven't seen any other big club manager blood in youngster and here I see people still criticize jose . Strange
Bar pochettino I haven't seen any other big club manager blood in youngster and here I see people still criticize jose . Strange
People are critical of Pep and Klopp here too. Check the Football Forum.
The problem is Jose took EFL and FA Cup too seriously and almost always fielded our strongest possible team which by end of the season contributed greatly to our squad fatigue and lost of form.
Hopefully, next season he will start to field youngsters in cup games.
Hopefully, next season he will start to field youngsters in cup games.
And he shouldn't have to if first team players are available and fit, no point putting extra pressure on young players unnecessarily.
Sure, but lets be honest, people have not nearly been as critical of these guys in terms of playing youth. And the fact is they were in similar positions to United for a while there, until United couldn't keep up their fight for the top four. That because United have a history and a club ethic to blood youth. Others may have similar values, but not to the same extent. Whats crazy is that Jose could have even done it more.
And lets be honest, Conte could have player a whole heap more of his youth team this season, once they had won the league. And throughout it, but clearly didn't need to as injuries were minimal. And he didn't get criticised.
I am also not sure why Pochettino gets so much praise in this area. He bought in Dier and Alli and yes, they were young, but they were clearly good enough. He hasn't blooded them, he purchased them to play for him. Spurs is just a youthful team in general
There's a fair amount of criticism of Guardiola's failure to use academy players on Bluemoon forum and possibly in the media too. Klopp played an 18 year old right back at Old Trafford this season and has given a 17 year old forward some mins in competitive PL matches as well as domestic cup competitions.
Mourinho has spent far longer in the english game than Conte, Guardiola or Klopp. In his 2nd spell at Chelsea he was expected to develop their best academy players by giving them mins in the first team but seemed to lose his nerve when it actually came to playing them.
Thats one way to look at it. The other is that Jose knows that United values every competition and the goal is to win every single one.
Also, at the start of the season, the team was still searching for a flow, a rhythm and a unity that would allow the performances to be good. So he almost had to play the best teams each week, in order to find some momentum
With that philosophy youth players would never ever play
The youth prospects that are ready will play ala Rashford. Loan deals to smaller clubs is what developing the ones that aren't, are for. They'd learn much more playing consistently than in cup games every now and again. We aren't some small feeder club to risk winning to develop kids.
I don't blame him TBH. First season at a new club, you always go for the low hanging fruit. Get a cup or two and pressure is majorly off the manager. This season Jose had no clue how his players perform, so he might have gone for a overkill. Hopefully he will get it right going forard
How do you know they are ready without playing them. Do people even read what they write lol
You have to be careful with young players. If you are talking about matches where the results matter, you can't gamble on youth who may or may not be good enough get the results.
Yes because managers who have won everything won't be able to tell in training etc.
Not to add, with how competitive the league is, not many managers are willing to take that risk. Cup games sure, they can play every now and again, but I still think they'd be much better learning their trade at smaller clubs who can afford to play them.
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You said "Young players shouldn't play when the first team is ready". I called you out and now you say "well if the manager judges them in training and decides they are good enough, then he can play them".
I disagree with your original point, not the later.
I never said that. I said the youngsters who were ready would play. The ones who aren't would be better off learning their trade somewhere they can play consistently.
Youth players Wouldn't be played in a serious match under Jose "And he shouldn't have to if first team players are available and fit, no point putting extra pressure on young players unnecessarily."
So yeah you kind of did say that if the first team is fit there is no need to play youth and "pressure" them.
Whatever I'm off to bed
So yeah you kind of did say that if the first team is fit there is no need to play youth and "pressure" them.
Whatever I'm off to bed
That was a different poster, pal.