He's using a different definition of a youngster, which includes players born at the end of 1993. Mine was 1994 and above. This excludes Pogba for example, who is not really a youngster for me. Also the likes of Kane and a few more.
Mourinho doesn't play youngsters!!
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Would be interesting to compare the statistics with other top teams. Rumour has it, that Ancelotti doesn't play youngsters? Is this true? Or another myth?
I pulled out stats for players who are 23 or younger at the start of the season. For example I included Xhaka's mins who turned 24 in Sept, Pogba played most of his mins as a 23 year old player, Lingard played many mins as a 23 year old till December.
Very promising that he's trusted Fosu-Mensah in the latter stages of the last two games.
I don't think many people would consider Pogba and Xhaka youngsters though. The cut off point is quite high at 23 as it is, imo. Both are completely arbitrary though, obviously.
Anderlecht you could maybe say that but yesterday was definitely just a time wasting substitution.
Bayern's number for this season is in the low 2000s. Don't have time to calculate it exactly. That's relatively low, yeah.
Yeah, there is no cut off where you can draw the line. For some youngsters means U21, for some it's u23.
If I'm correct you included Dier's mins which is more than 2000, he was born in Jan 1994, so any player who was born in Dec 1993 would have been excluded. Can't male proper arguments or proper cut offs when it comes to young players.
Indeed. For the sake of this discussion the exact numbers are irrelevant though - we're above average, at the very least.
Im not even sure what your point is , or what part of my post you're replying too , so that being the case , ill answer the points you volunteered as fact.
Utd always attack..really? 6 at the back v goalscoring monsters, boro. We havent selected a defensive side this season ? ..really? Liverpool away. Its not even an issue to me that we did set out to contain liverpool , the issue is that you obviously dont think we did. jose admitted as much in his presser...you must have missed it.
If zlatan isnt quick enough against certain types of teams , dont play him against them. Its not rocket science. As for the instructions that players recieve , unlike your goodself , im not privvy to them , so ill have to make a presumption based on what jose has said publicly to answer that. They are not following joses instructions to put the ball in the net as often as hed like.
Youve no need to leap to joses defence on my behalf. Ive never been one to be overly critical of players or managers. I wasn't being cynical about jose , i was being cynical about people with double standards. Thats what my post was about.
Anyways adios. Thats my posts done for the day.
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Seems so going by this forum
I dont have any agenda.
I think Jose is much the same as all the other top managers about today in terms of youth. Yet he gets slated.
He did win the PL with the youngest average age in PL history.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/28/chels...ngest-average-premier-league-winners-5910733/
What a bullshit stat.
Fair enough. Just saw you wrote something about LvG doing the hard part with Rashford. While many ridicule the OP stat saying it is just Rashford... how many minutes would he get at Chelsea?
The thing isn't being young or not. With Mourinho it is about putting in the shift and delivering on his instructions.
There's obviously a correlation between youth and (lack of) tactical discipline and performing to instructions. That's why Lingard often starts ahead of Martial (but also an older Mkhi). And for all the wailing about Shaw, you can see why yesterday he would be more comfortable with Young. I sure was.
With Rojo and Eric playing all games without rest maybe its time he brings on Axel for one of the games
I did some research a couple of days ago as I have said for a while now that the main reason for Chelsea's success has been their ability to play the same XI every week and the fact all of their players are in their prime.
I believe Zouma may be U25 but I think I am right in saying that before yesterday, Chelsea had not started a single player under 25 all season.
Yes they are a good side but i strongly believe both Utd and City have higher "ceilings" with the likes of Pogba, Bailly, Rashford, Shaw, Martial, Sane, Sterling and Jesus all bound to improve significantly (I dont include Stones he is shite now and will be shite in 3, 5 & 10 yrs time!)
I believe Zouma may be U25 but I think I am right in saying that before yesterday, Chelsea had not started a single player under 25 all season.
Yes they are a good side but i strongly believe both Utd and City have higher "ceilings" with the likes of Pogba, Bailly, Rashford, Shaw, Martial, Sane, Sterling and Jesus all bound to improve significantly (I dont include Stones he is shite now and will be shite in 3, 5 & 10 yrs time!)
But but but but what about De Bruyne and Lukakku? Or something like that
Zouma hadn't started all season? He is getting wasted there.
fairly certain he started a game in the last few weeks. not sure if it was the PL though
Dunno, but at the 2013 U20 WC Josema Giménez and Zouma were the standout defensive talents. I would be a bit miffed if I were him and compared trajectories.
The problem with Jose is he doesn't develop youngsters. Rashford has played a lot this year, but he was an established player. He won't bring anyone through the academy.
To be fair, it was there on a plate to bring them a couple of them on today. Was slightly disappointed that he didn't, especially given the first half scoreline and how the first 20 minutes of that 2nd half played out.
2-0 is never a safe score line. Why make a change to the back line? I don't think you should make subs in defence unless you winning by 3 or 4.
I was hoping to see TFM or Axel to get a run out too but it would have been the wrong thing to do, it wasn't comfortable enough of a position to be in.
Mou got it spot on today.
Mou got it spot on today.
If he takes Bailly off for Tuanzebe he's basically motivating Burnley.
Lingard coming off was inevitable but Young or Fellaini could have moved forward with Fosu Mensah filling in for example. Rashford's appearance wasn't necessary unless that goal was conceded. Tuanzebe for Bailly could have been facilitated then later in the game.
If we'd got the 3rd I'd want to see it, but not at 2-0. How many times have we shit the bed towards the end of games in these last few years?
Agree. Today i felt like it was a young midfielder or attacker who could have gotten 20 min on the pitch. The only one from the defense who could have been subbed was bailly but that would be very risky since he saved blind several times
Appreciated. Ideally that would have been the last sub had Mourinho not taken such heavy measures with Rashford and Mkhitaryan coming on. I understand removing the players that came off but felt we could have prioritised who came on in the direction of the youth players relatively comfortably given the versatility in the remaining players on that pitch.
We won a game I anticipated struggling. I'm happy.
He doesn't not play youth. He plays who he trusts to perform. Rashford he trusts, he plays, Bailly and Pogba are pretty young too, they play. It's not about age it's about trust for him- that's my observation.
The players barely train so this was really a training excercise for Rashford and Mkhitaryan. It was good that we were able to make 3 subs comfortably.
Martial and rashers really stepping up and improving by the match.
Reminds you a lot of Rooney and ronaldo 10 years ago
Reminds you a lot of Rooney and ronaldo 10 years ago
That myth was always that. A myth.
Jose produces the youngest average age starting 11 in United's Premier League history.
Jose could have played youngsters in the last 5 PL games. But hey, ho.
It'd be more beneficial to see if any who impress today are rewarded with more matches next season.
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Yes play them against the likes of Arsenal and Spurs away and let them get trashed, so that their confidence gets trashed.
I'm a big defender of Jose, but his general youth policy this season has been far from positive. The only reason we're seeing young players now is because of injuries and the fact we have a huge game on Wednesday.
Our seniors hardly painted a confident picture themselves.