How they feck did you get that from what he said????
Mourinho at full time: "Pogba a virus. You don't play. You don't respect players/fans" [Castles]
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How they feck did you get that from what he said????
He is alleged to have said it in the dressing room after the game. It’s not confirmed as far as I know.
Don’t fall for Mourinho’s nonsense. He has a history of doing this and most clubs are smart enough to realize he’s the virus. Chelsea went through this with Hazard and a bunch of fans turned on Martial earlier this year as well.
It absolutely amazes me that people would advocate selling Pogba. He’s our best and most talented midfielder. We want to sell our best players but then expect us to be competitive with other teams. We want to play football want to sell him but be left with Matic, Fellaini and McTominay. On top of that Pogba is one of at least 10 players in our squad who are playing well below their standards. If the next manager comes in and Pogba is problematic then by all means get rid. But don’t get rid because our excuse filled manager is starting his attack everyone so it’s not my fault act he’s done everywhere except for inter
It absolutely amazes me that people would advocate selling Pogba. He’s our best and most talented midfielder. We want to sell our best players but then expect us to be competitive with other teams. We want to play football want to sell him but be left with Matic, Fellaini and McTominay. On top of that Pogba is one of at least 10 players in our squad who are playing well below their standards. If the next manager comes in and Pogba is problematic then by all means get rid. But don’t get rid because our excuse filled manager is starting his attack everyone so it’s not my fault act he’s done everywhere except for inter
In the middle of the first half, the NBC commentators, Arlo White and Lee Dixon, stated that Pogba was jogging around like he was in a preseason testimonial!
I don’t give a feck what Pogba thinks of Jose, just do your feckin’job!
I’ve had plenty of bosses that I disliked, but I never once thought to sandbag my performance to get the manager fired! What kind of bullshit, backward thinking is that?
Mental!
I don’t give a feck what Pogba thinks of Jose, just do your feckin’job!
I’ve had plenty of bosses that I disliked, but I never once thought to sandbag my performance to get the manager fired! What kind of bullshit, backward thinking is that?
Mental!
That's also my understanding, so why are people taking it as 100% truth? It's just yet another rumour that people want to make a huge issue about and moan about Jose. Fair enough if people complain about his attitude in pressers, team selections and tactics, but this is just shite...
Yeah, get rid of the only player in midfield who can actually make things happen, and let's give Jose more players he can't get anything out of, like most of his signings. The first change needs to be the coach, then players will be evaluated at that point. Anything other than that is just completely reactionary panicky moves.
Did they hang you out to dry for the companys failures?
Why the feck would you bring race into this?
However bad i feel about Jose, there is nothing wrong in bashing a player behind doors. Pogba was a disgrace.
Mourinho is right about Pogba, however, this is nothing more than him deflecting the blame from himself. He knew this would get leaked and is trying to turn people against Pogba rather than himself. The only thing is, Pogba isn't the one who named the starting 11 and formation. Sure, we should still be good enough to beat Southampton no matter who from our first team is playing, but playing a 5-3-2 with Jones (one match under his belt) along with Matic and McTominay? Why are we playing so defensive but doing it with players who aren't defenders?
No i dont think that is delusional, i think it is pretty spot on as that squad had plenty of experienced winners. What i dont get though is how a former top class manager can lose his marbles to such a degree. The transfers are shite, the football is shite, the results are shite, and worst of all, it seems we still have not reached bottom with him at the helm.
Mou is right: we don't have enough 'mad dogs' in the team. Ferguson was spot on in letting Pogba go. Despite all of the talent, he's a me guy, and not a we guy. Bon voyage to the both of them. Let's get back to high tempo, playing as a team, getting amongst it, and entertaining the fans.
I have no idea how Mourinho has managed to foool so many people here. I remember a few Chelsea fans holding up "three rats" posters against Hazard, Costa and Fabreagss, now looks like Mourinho is making Pogba a rat and people are still falling for the same trick that Mourinho has pulled in his last three clubs.
If you think Pogba was the worst ever player in the pitch against Southampton then you are an idiot. The only reason Pogba holds onto the ball with tricks and flicks is because he is expecting a run or movement from his teammates, Pogba could still easily keep making square and safe passes all game and we would have lost instead of drawing. The only virus in the club is Mourinho and his arsehole licking fans still lapping up every bullshit he comes up with and keep talking about not signing a CB, Perisic or Willian.
If you think Pogba was the worst ever player in the pitch against Southampton then you are an idiot. The only reason Pogba holds onto the ball with tricks and flicks is because he is expecting a run or movement from his teammates, Pogba could still easily keep making square and safe passes all game and we would have lost instead of drawing. The only virus in the club is Mourinho and his arsehole licking fans still lapping up every bullshit he comes up with and keep talking about not signing a CB, Perisic or Willian.
Im actually baffled by some of the posters on here. Its quite obvious and has been for some of us that havnt had our heads in the sand for the last year and a half that Mourinho is finished. He is just a senile old man that hates managing/life/current living situation/the city or a mixture of all of the above. The guy is the most negative cretin on the planet that exudes negativity to everyone around him. How do you think a person is going to feel when a guy like that is around them?
What happens when you find yourself around a person like that in your life? we all have at one point. You instantly hate being around that person, your mood is ruined, your joy and vibe is killed and you want to remove that person or yourself from that situation. Some of you have to remember that the players are people too...they too would feel the exact same as you if you were in that positon. It doesnt matter how much money the club is paying you, how much you love the club, how much you love the fans you will not be at the top of your game with such a negative cloud hanging around you causing you to be in a negative state of mind.
Now imagine going to work and knowing you are going to be miserable while you are there, you are going to get hammered and thrown under the bus after every single mistake. Is that going to cause you to improve or would a more positive outlook given off by your manager with constructive criticism be of more use?
The culmination of the players confidence in themselves and their abilities has been eroded away and on top of that a coach that cannot evidently coach is producing the results we are seeing. A team lost tactically (no attacking pattern, no defending patterns) and with no hunger to win games just by sheer will (Loss of enthusiasm of the game due to the manager).
Instead of berating by far the best outfield player we have who happens to like making the game fun by doing flicks and tricks. How about we wonder WHY a player that good is performing at a level so below his ability?
I wouldnt be surprised had prime ronaldinho played for Mourinho that he too wouldnt be smiling as he did when he played. The guy is a a cloud of negativity and really depresses those around him.
What happens when you find yourself around a person like that in your life? we all have at one point. You instantly hate being around that person, your mood is ruined, your joy and vibe is killed and you want to remove that person or yourself from that situation. Some of you have to remember that the players are people too...they too would feel the exact same as you if you were in that positon. It doesnt matter how much money the club is paying you, how much you love the club, how much you love the fans you will not be at the top of your game with such a negative cloud hanging around you causing you to be in a negative state of mind.
Now imagine going to work and knowing you are going to be miserable while you are there, you are going to get hammered and thrown under the bus after every single mistake. Is that going to cause you to improve or would a more positive outlook given off by your manager with constructive criticism be of more use?
The culmination of the players confidence in themselves and their abilities has been eroded away and on top of that a coach that cannot evidently coach is producing the results we are seeing. A team lost tactically (no attacking pattern, no defending patterns) and with no hunger to win games just by sheer will (Loss of enthusiasm of the game due to the manager).
Instead of berating by far the best outfield player we have who happens to like making the game fun by doing flicks and tricks. How about we wonder WHY a player that good is performing at a level so below his ability?
I wouldnt be surprised had prime ronaldinho played for Mourinho that he too wouldnt be smiling as he did when he played. The guy is a a cloud of negativity and really depresses those around him.
He has stopped trusting his players since the Madrid debacle. He was known for instilling a siege mentality in his team and it's not possible to create a us vs them mentality when you keep criticizing players in public.
Some things to see though. Firstly, the parts I agree on:
1. Yes - it was a disgraceful performance by Pogba. No debates about that. He was truly awful.
2. What was said behind closed doors is one thing - it's fine to blast and slam in private.
That said:
1. Can it be called "behind closed doors" when the manager then leaks it (directly or through his agent) to the Press (because Castles is very much Jose's / Mendes' man)?
2. If Jose felt this strongly, why did Pogba not only get a start, but get to play the full 90? That's not the treatment you expect towards a player that the manager feels is not only failing to pull his weight, but also lowering the performance levels of others.
In this argument, I don't think Pogba's performance level is even relevant. Frankly, we've seen equally or more abject displays from Jose's favoured sons as well - Matic and Lukaku to name just two. Jose is entitled to rant "behind closed doors", but it's telling that every time he (allegedly) has a go at Pogba, it is his favoured journos (for leaks) that come out with the quotes and words. Last time too, it was Castles who had the alleged dope and the same this time. That leads me to see it as Jose deliberately crucifying Pogba in the Press.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. No employee in any field can be held guilty for under-performing in these circumstances. As for "sand-bagging", people miss the point when it comes to sport:
1. Unlike other fields, you can't go slow and work more time when you're not at your peak. In sport, the intensity has to be at it's peak for the full game.
2. At the top, the difference between a great game and an ordinary one is tiny. The slightest dip in focus results in "horrid" games. That's what we're seeing across our team and that is why it's down to the manager.
3. In other fields, you have the option of quitting and joining a better place. No "contracts" to hold you. After a point, it's not the money that keeps you in a job, it's the lack of an incentive to quit (not the external incentive to join; the internal reason to have your CV in the market in the first place).
Anyone with any background in management will tell you of the old truism, "when a whole team is under-performing / seeing high attrition, look at the manager". As I said, poor performances from good players are always a symptom of a greater malaise. When it comes from many, that malaise is no longer "individual" to the players.
What the heck?
What does his skin color has to do with anything?
What does his skin color has to do with anything?
Sir Alex did not let him go. In fact, he was desperate for Pogba to sign. However, lack of opportunities at United meant Pogba decided to join Juventus. Pogba has been a model professional whilst a youth player at United, during his time at Juventus and for his national team. Let's not judge him through his social media adventures and persona outside of football.
That is one hell of a leap
Pogba needs to grow up but jeez how im fed up of mou throwing people under the bridge. Pogba, martial, shaw, woodward, its go on and on. Pogba is among the lucky ones. Other players like fred just vanish without given a chance.
Meanwhile he sticks to his donkeys. Mctominay with his arse whispering, matic whose a glorified roundabout, fellaini and of course the ball smasher romelu lukaku. We can win with kids but certainly we can't win trophies with just donkeys
Meanwhile he sticks to his donkeys. Mctominay with his arse whispering, matic whose a glorified roundabout, fellaini and of course the ball smasher romelu lukaku. We can win with kids but certainly we can't win trophies with just donkeys
Where this came from?
Yikss.
I mean loads of people want jose gone but i don't think any sane, rational person wouldmake thr leap of suggeeting that quote makes him racist.
probably time for a temp ban for this one, completely lost the plot.I just don't see what Jose has to gain or lose by doing this or saying that. What is he supposed to do? Pogba's attitude has no excuse. He's been moaning and complaining since day one about everything; was given captaincy, penalties, and praise; everything has been tried to make him happy, and all he's done is undermine the manager. I feel more responsibility for my teammates playing five-a-side than he does playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. F*ck him.
As far as Mourinho, he should retire. Today's kids are obviously not buying into his philosophy and he's unwilling to change himself.
As far as Mourinho, he should retire. Today's kids are obviously not buying into his philosophy and he's unwilling to change himself.
This × 10
I'm not blaming one man, there are plenty in the squad who aren't up to scratch, but as this is a thread about pogba that's who I am discussing, and as an aside I couldn't give a nuns furry chuff if he won a world cup, so did kleberson, it's not relevant in any way to his performances for utd.
The club have to be very careful about how to react to this situation. If Jose had his way at Chelsea, Hazard would've been gone during that season.
Pogba can be difficult to manage, no doubt, but he is the one outfield player who can change a game for United, like Hazard for Chelsea. You, as a manager and a club, need to learn how to manage those type of personalities if their skill level is as high as Pogba's is.
Pogba can be difficult to manage, no doubt, but he is the one outfield player who can change a game for United, like Hazard for Chelsea. You, as a manager and a club, need to learn how to manage those type of personalities if their skill level is as high as Pogba's is.
He did for France and came back to win a world cup
I love it how people have this insider knowledge as to what is going on in a person's mind. So I'm assuming you have had a good chat with Pogba yourself? I'm surprised you didn't mention his trips to the barber. Or is that a factor too? It doesn't matter how good a player could be, they should all still be doing their best. Pogba is not the only player underperforming in that regard or lacking heart as you put it so he shouldn't be getting singled out. I'm not saying he's blameless but he's certainly not the only one.
Pogba isn't close to what Hazard is as a player.
But pogba doesn’t change as many games as I beleive he should for the price he cost and the status he expects.
If he had his way, Ramos, Pepe and maybe even Ronaldo would have been sold. The list is long though.
Amen.
People expect players to perform in vacuum.
Nice post and very much spot on.
Exactly. That kind of attitude doesn't suit United, whomever is managing us. It's even worse when it's our most expensive signing, one that has come off a WC win and given the captains armband by the very same coach. Take Jose out of the equation and it's still an absolutely atrocious attitude.
really terrible example because those three are quintessential rats...Hazard gave us all a hint tge way he announced signing for Chelsea. If you thought Jose was the reason he lost form, his bipolar seasons with Conte way too similar. He downs tools. And to top it off he has come out publicy to say Conte's football was awful and that he'd play for Jose again
Diego Costa...I mean, c'mon... Conte froze him out after their record breaking season. Great player but you must be kidding yourself if you think he's some sort of saintly professional.
Fabregas...of the three I can recall the fewest examples of reasons he's a cnut...oh wait...just kidding...pizzagate. rat supreme. End of story .
Now, that doesn't mean i think Jose is handling the player situation perfectly right now. In fact I disagree with a lot of it, with the exception of calling out some of these players that I'm sick and tired of seeing lacking the heart and desire our fans deserve.
I'd love to see you perform like the Employee of the Year, when your boss slams you in the Press, refuses to work in a modern style and your organization and field ensures that you can't even quit - since your contract prohibits moving unless your firm agrees to sell you to another firm, and that too, within only a specific window. Oh and all the while, you're convinced that the way your boss is making you approach the work is all wrong - and more importantly, you've proven your ability to do this work in the right way across multiple firms in the past - and even on pro bono work you've been doing during your annual leave (a project which your boss is well aware of).
Stop thinking like a fan. Players are professionals and employees and every employee needs a productive and conducive work environment. Ever wondered why firms invest in employee welfare, culture initiatives etc.? Why should football be different?
Jose gave Pogba the armband and then stripped him of it in a massively public and completely unnecessary manner, with no grace and even leaked it to the Press. Jose also slammed him and pulled that horrendous training ground gimmick when he knew it would be on video. How is that a boss anyone would be keen to go that extra mile for? You take Jose out of the equation, and the equation changes! How can you not see (or maybe you do and just don't acknowledge?) that Jose is very much the problem (not part of the problem, but the root cause as well)?
Chelsea would have been done if Mourinho was backed and got rid off Hazard and Costa. The title with Conte wouldn't have happened at all and all Chelsea fans would take back Costa instantly.Exactly. That kind of attitude doesn't suit United, whomever is managing us. It's even worse when it's our most expensive signing, one that has come off a WC win and given the captains armband by the very same coach. Take Jose out of the equation and it's still an absolutely atrocious attitude.
really terrible example because those three are quintessential rats...Hazard gave us all a hint tge way he announced signing for Chelsea. If you thought Jose was the reason he lost form, his bipolar seasons with Conte way too similar. He downs tools. And to top it off he has come out publicy to say Conte's football was awful and that he'd play for Jose again
Diego Costa...I mean, c'mon... Conte froze him out after their record breaking season. Great player but you must be kidding yourself if you think he's some sort of saintly professional.
Fabregas...of the three I can recall the fewest examples of reasons he's a cnut...oh wait...just kidding...pizzagate. rat supreme. End of story .
Now, that doesn't mean i think Jose is handling the player situation perfectly right now. In fact I disagree with a lot of it, with the exception of calling out some of these players that I'm sick and tired of seeing lacking the heart and desire our fans deserve.
Besides Pogba didn't even do what the likes of Hazard did at Chelsea. He may have lost possession couple of times but he wasn't the worst player on the pitch today. Why the different treatment to different players, why isn't Matic a virus when he has been directly respobsible for us conceding a goal and for our pathetic results the last few games. Why is Pogba, Martial and Shaw's commitment constantly get questioned when Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez get away with murder? It's like if you keep brown nosing Mourinho you can get away with anything in our team.
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Clue: Read Jose's leaks (i.e. Duncan Castles' articles).
Pogba was crap last game but so was everyone else! Being made the scapegoat again.
Jose is the virus so feck off and take Fellaini with you!
Jose is the virus so feck off and take Fellaini with you!
It's because people like you try to make everything about racism that when actual racism happens it does not get the support it should get.
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