Most important summer window in years (100-150m budget)

I dont know about a budget. I think most should/will go on sancho. After that, i think a lot depends on what we sell and what teams want.

In Centre defense We could kiss jones rojo smalling goodbye without a second thought. Jones and rojo wont command much in fees if anyone wants them but could save us about 15 mil in projected wages. Smalling will probably be sold to roma eventually. We have mengi coming through as well as Tuanzabe bailly lindelof and maguire there. TFM can also cover. Can see others going if the rumour of us wanting a cb is true.

Dalot looks like he isnt fancied but i think theres a player there and is saleable. With laird and now TFM about in right back position.

The only other position that looks like it can be pruned is attacking midfield. Mata is the best of the three so lingard and pereira could probably go. Again we are rumoured to be looking at bringing a player In there.

All this said, i think we have long term and top targets so there wont be any trolley dashes. If the players we want aren't available then we will end up keeping some
Of the above, because as mediocre as some of them are, you need a squad. But Still dont think we have enough games for 9 centre halves!
 
oz insomniac said:
The Ed message is out already, have to pull back interest in Grealish transfer to work on Sancho. WTF , the geniuses in the club (Judge and Ed) can only work on one deal at a time, contrast that to our rivals in Citeh and Chelski.

a definitive off season for the club and the media message from the club is again lethargic.
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Jesus christ :lol:
 
laughtersassassin said:
Looking good so far boys. Definitely aiming to atleast stagnate at the very least.
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Dortmund have just tried to scare us into paying up and structuring the deal their way with a stupidly early deadline. Does it matter if he pre seasons with them considering we are still sorting the europa and then will have time off? They dont play a competetive match until the 11th September so i wouldnt Worry too much about the stupid ‘deadline’ they set
 
Jezpeza said:
Dortmund have just tried to scare us into paying up and structuring the deal their way with a stupidly early deadline. Does it matter if he pre seasons with them considering we are still sorting the europa and then will have time off? They dont play a competetive match until the 11th September so i wouldnt Worry too much about the stupid ‘deadline’ they set
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Was mostly joking. I still think it will get done.

The proof will be in the pudding when the season starts though. This better not be another year where we willingly choose to not try close the gap.

Like when we finished second and only signed Fred for the first team for example.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Was mostly joking. I still think it will get done.

The proof will be in the pudding when the season starts though. This better not be another year where we willingly choose to not try close the gap.

Like when we finished second and only signed Fred for the first team for example.
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Misunderstood! Dont remind me of that summer..... I thought it was criminal the club let it all play out like we were Actually chasing targets All summer and then the window banged shut.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Was mostly joking. I still think it will get done.

The proof will be in the pudding when the season starts though. This better not be another year where we willingly choose to not try close the gap.

Like when we finished second and only signed Fred for the first team for example.
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Oh god yeah don't remind me along with Dalot and Grant as well,that really started the Mourinho meltdown didn't it
 
I would sign Sancho and Szoboszlai this Summer. Grealish will be too expensive for essentially a squad player.

I know we need a CD but I have big doubts about everyone rumoured or hyped here. Pau Torres - not great in the air. Gabriel, Upamecano, Badiashile, Zagadou, Godfrey - lots of mistakes. Konate - big injury. Kabak - rash, not quick enough. Skiriniar - way overrated. Ruben Dias - haven't seen enough. I don't see any of them being much better than Lindelof at present. I would give Mengi and Tuanzebe a chance over the next year and hope they step up. Otherwise, wait until someone becomes "must sign".

A left footed, attacking LB, a DM and another backup ST would be great but are probably luxuries. For the LB, maybe we could try to get a first option on a promising youngster like Ait-Nouri, Maouassa, Estupinan or Nuno Mendes but let them develop where they are for now. For DM, Garner needs a good loan and could fill this position. Next Summer, Zakaria, Camavinga or Rice could come into the discussion. As for backup ST, I say wait til January when Ighalo's loan expires and see who might be available then. King could be a decent option.

I would cash in on Fred if a big offer came in but would be more than happy to see him stay. In terms of departures, we should really shift Smalling (though I like him), Rojo, Jones, Lingard, Pereira (though not uber necessary to sell him), Mata and Joel Pereira. Dalot needs a loan IMHO.

I'd send Henderson back on loan and try to rehab De Gea. Otherwise, having them compete against each other could destroy one of them.
 
Jezpeza said:
Dortmund have just tried to scare us into paying up and structuring the deal their way with a stupidly early deadline. Does it matter if he pre seasons with them considering we are still sorting the europa and then will have time off? They dont play a competetive match until the 11th September so i wouldnt Worry too much about the stupid ‘deadline’ they set
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I'm not too bothered, that one will play out how it plays out.

I'd be more concerned we have gaping holes elsewhere that need filling, and it'd be a decent idea to get them filled with actual quality.

Interested to know what we are planning at Centre Back, Full Back, Centre Mid etc. Right Wing is huge, but it's my no means 'the nissing piece' there is a significant lack of depth and quality here.
 
For me the requirements are,
Starting xi
Rw, cb, cdm
Back up
St, lb, lw
Now, if we sign Sancho for rw that is great but is looking unlikely. However, I hope Woodward doesn't waste the whole summer chasing only one target and neglects all other requirements. Sign someone like perisic as a backup winger alongwith a good quality back up striker like dembele (don't think ighalo can cut it in EPL). A proper backup lb is required because Shaw is unreliable with his injury. Similar thing goes for matic and we need a top quality dm in future. I would happily sell smalling, lingard, jones, rojo, dalot, pereira because they offer nothing. Really hope Woodward understands this and moves on to other targets if Sancho is a no this summer.
 
Did they planned to buy someone or we will write till october what we stiil need to buy?
 
Federico Chiesa, Fiorentina- LW, RW, CAM - 60 mill €

Robin Gosens, Atalanta, LB. Then you move Williams over as RB options 40 € mill

Kristoffer Olsson, Krasnodar allround CM - 20 € mill.
If Lindelof is good enough for United as CB. Then clearly Kristoffer Olsson is good enough for United as a deep laying creative playmaker and cm player. I easily will choose Kristoffer Olsson above Fred and Matic. 100 % sure about this. United need a quick Luka Modric type if player, who are both quick in head and feets and can play on few touches. To link up fast with quick front 4. Olsson has it.

Recall Smalling back, new CB - 0 € mill
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Sum 4 new players: RW/LW, CM, LB, CB = around 120 € euro

Next summer/2021 : Jadon Sancho RW/LW

Summer 2022 : De Ligt, CB from Juventus, when he turn 22 and want new challenge

Transfer plan from a freelance D.O.F. Playing with open cards
 
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bond19821982 said:
Rumors that we have about 100- 150m kitty ...

Very interested to see how would we spend this 100-150m the summer.
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Why is there a new thread based on rumors? Senseless rumors! Aren't there enough muppets delight threads in this forum already? If I want to post a thread here about an actual player I'm required to state a reliable source. What are these sources for "100-150m this summer"?
 
I'm sure things will pick up once our Europa League campaign is over (unless Ed decides to go on one of his infamous month-long transfer window holidays again)

But if we assume Sancho 100% stays at Dortmund, we're not even seriously linked to anyone else.

And United aren't like other clubs where it's a link on day 1 and signed on day 3, we have to endure the entire month-long saga from first serious link to being signed. Could be a while yet before our first signing.
 
As ive said in previous thread, every window is important for us and every year we turn it into a media circus and drag out transfers and become a bit of a laughing stock.

Chelsea have strenghtened significantly as have city already, Arsenal have added Willian today...

Maybe reality is we just dont have the money and need to shift dead wood first? Can we find takers for Jones, Smalling, TFM, Rojo, Mata, Lingard, Pererira ?

Umpeacano, Sancho and Grealish would be a good summer and all are gettable, we can then introduce promising youngsters into the squad ahead of the dead wood and have a nice balance.
 
yamo123x said:
As ive said in previous thread, every window is important for us and every year we turn it into a media circus and drag out transfers and become a bit of a laughing stock.

Chelsea have strenghtened significantly as have city already, Arsenal have added Willian today...

Maybe reality is we just dont have the money and need to shift dead wood first? Can we find takers for Jones, Smalling, TFM, Rojo, Mata, Lingard, Pererira ?

Umpeacano, Sancho and Grealish would be a good summer and all are gettable, we can then introduce promising youngsters into the squad ahead of the dead wood and have a nice balance.
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Individually they are gettable but cannot see any way we could find the money required to sign all three this summer
 
looks like we may be bottling it. I really expected some movements by now. I know we still have apprx. 50 days but team will be back in training in 2 weeks and our first match is only a month away.

So with no preseason and match fitness, the new player probably wouldn't be ready for some weeks.
 
bond19821982 said:
looks like we may be bottling it. I really expected some movements by now. I know we still have apprx. 50 days but team will be back in training in 2 weeks and our first match is only a month away.

So with no preseason and match fitness, the new player probably wouldn't be ready for some weeks.
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We like to use the full extent of the window so we can pay the amount we originally would have anyway. Disappointing how slow we've been so far.
 
Will be interesting to see if we pull any signings off, Sancho looks unlikely, the alternatives aren’t great.

Maybe we will just stand put and hope Greenwood develops more and some of the youth are ready to fill in somebody gaps.

Going to be ask of this squad if we don’t recruit anybody.
 
yamo123x said:
As ive said in previous thread, every window is important for us and every year we turn it into a media circus and drag out transfers and become a bit of a laughing stock.

Chelsea have strenghtened significantly as have city already, Arsenal have added Willian today...

Maybe reality is we just dont have the money and need to shift dead wood first? Can we find takers for Jones, Smalling, TFM, Rojo, Mata, Lingard, Pererira ?

Umpeacano, Sancho and Grealish would be a good summer and all are gettable, we can then introduce promising youngsters into the squad ahead of the dead wood and have a nice balance.
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Who would exactly be our squad if we got rid of all of those while brining in three players? To me smalling as backup and TFM, and I suppose Chong can take Lingards spot as backup but we only have James as a squad option to Rashford, no depth on the right, very little with Ighalo under Martial. We honestly need about six signings to have enough depth if we are selling all you named.
We need an attacking LB, a RW (most likely second fiddle to greenwood) an attacking midfielder and a true CDM. That’s just to fill the gaps for the many games
 
It is increasingly looking like the debate on whether we should spend most of our budget on Sancho or spread it on two or three players was all moot. I have a feeling this will be one of those summers where we don't make any progress on the transfers we want or don't have the money to achieve them so we'll end up making do with a band-aid solution that leaves us all feeling somewhat deflated.
 
Gazza said:
It is increasingly looking like the debate on whether we should spend most of our budget on Sancho or spread it on two or three players was all moot. I have a feeling this will be one of those summers where we don't make any progress on the transfers we want or don't have the money to achieve them so we'll end up making do with a band-aid solution that leaves us all feeling somewhat deflated.
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we always seem to do transfers late. Imo we need depth more than we need Sancho.
 
For the mental well-being of all, I think it is time to change the title of the thread. :(
The summer window where (presumably) no major signing is completed can't be the most important transfer window in years for United! Surely can't.
 
For me the most important position to strengthen is LB. Shaw is the only natural LB we've got and he's always injured. Once that is sorted then we can move to CB and RW. I am not expecting more then 3 signings this year.
 
devilish said:
For me the most important position to strengthen is LB. Shaw is the only natural LB we've got and he's always injured. Once that is sorted then we can move to CB and RW. I am not expecting more then 3 signings this year.
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Totally agree. A new CB and LB should be priority this summer.
 
Our league rankings for each season and the net spend of the following season (according to transfermarkt) post-Fergie:

SeasonRankingNet spend the following season (€)
13/147146.09m
14/15453.93m
15/165137.75m
16/176152.9m
17/18252.15m
18/196132.82m
19/2030m (at the moment)

I mean isn't the pattern obvious? Whenever we're in top 4, no transfer kitty for the next season. Only when we fall out of top 4 would money be pumped into the club's transfer budget.

Clearly our aim under the Glazers is to stay in top 4, get that UCL money and nothing more.
 
*The funds simply arent there....
*We need to sell in order to buy, but the deadwood are on mega wages and this will put any potential buyers off unless we majorly drop asking price.
 
LucasXXII said:
Our league rankings for each season and the net spend of the following season (according to transfermarkt) post-Fergie:

SeasonRankingNet spend the following season (€)
13/147146.09m
14/15453.93m
15/165137.75m
16/176152.9m
17/18252.15m
18/196132.82m
19/2030m (at the moment)

I mean isn't the pattern obvious? Whenever we're in top 4, no transfer kitty for the next season. Only when we fall out of top 4 would money be pumped into the club's transfer budget.

Clearly our aim under the Glazers is to stay in top 4, get that UCL money and nothing more.
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Yep, I have been saying this since the season finished, so thanks for compiling the stats to prove it. The owners are simply not interested in investing in the squad now CL football is assured.
 
The transfer window is meandering to a close with our club dithering as per usual. Why is it that we always end up chasing a stellar target that either refuses to come or we end up signing for some totally exorbitant sum then regretting. Woodward certainly is not a patch on Gill in respect of his ability to get a deal done. I fear Ole will not have the reinforcements necessary for us to challenge for the PL title in 20/21.
 
Virgil said:
The transfer window is meandering to a close with our club dithering as per usual. Why is it that we always end up chasing a stellar target that either refuses to come or we end up signing for some totally exorbitant sum then regretting. Woodward certainly is not a patch on Gill in respect of his ability to get a deal done. I fear Ole will not have the reinforcements necessary for us to challenge for the PL title in 20/21.
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We will be meandering out of the top six at this rate.
 
Yep, another battle for 4th/5th with Wolves, Spurs and Arsenal is on the way with the squad not yet strengthened. Not surprised, just disappointed
 
LucasXXII said:
Our league rankings for each season and the net spend of the following season (according to transfermarkt) post-Fergie:

SeasonRankingNet spend the following season (€)
13/147146.09m
14/15453.93m
15/165137.75m
16/176152.9m
17/18252.15m
18/196132.82m
19/2030m (at the moment)

I mean isn't the pattern obvious? Whenever we're in top 4, no transfer kitty for the next season. Only when we fall out of top 4 would money be pumped into the club's transfer budget.

Clearly our aim under the Glazers is to stay in top 4, get that UCL money and nothing more.
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Great post.

Clearly the Glazers are looking to maximise revenues with as little investment as possible. They're willing to spend big to ensure we qualify and receive CL revenue but then have no ambition to take the club further. At the moment we're a yoyo top 4 club; I wouldn't be surprised if we finish 6th/7th next year, Ole is sacked, and the whole process starts again.

They're shocking owners that need to go. Worst owners in football.
 
I haven’t even paid much attention to the transfer market all that much so far because year in year out it goes the same way. Hopes get raised then everyone is let down because jobs can not be done correctly or money isn’t there to be spent. We are a business and not a football club, this will not change until the Glazers leave. It really is sad that this is what it has turned into.
 
jesperjaap said:
Dalot £15m
Bailly £25m
JOnes £8m
SMalling £18m
Sanchez £10m
Rojo £5m
Lingard £20m
Pereira £10m
Fred £25m


£136m

Upamecano £50m
Camavinga £50m
Sancho £95m
Grealish £70m

£265m - Net Spend £129m

Gk: DeGea - ROmero
RB - Bissaka - Laird
CB - Upamecano - Lindelof
CB - Tuanzabe - Maguire
LB - Shaw - WIlliams
DM - Matic - Camavinga
CM - Pogba - McTominay
AM - Fernandes - Mata
LW - Rashford - Grealish
RW - Sancho - James
ST - Martial - Greenwood

Mengi - Mjebri - Ighalo - Grant make up the rest of the squad

If only it were that simple, but that is a side in my opinion could actually challenge within budget and same time lowering our wage bill too
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You sure anyone would want to buy our deadwood at our valued price at all? Don't forget they are mostly on high wages too, most clubs would be reluctant to pay any fee for our expensive flop players. However if we let them go for free or really cheap, we may have a chances offloading them.

Realistically I think that would be the right fee under current market:

Dalot 5m (25k per week, has he feature any games at all?)
Baily 12m (80k per week, and always injured, has he play any decent games for us at all in past few years?)
Jones 0m (70k per week, no one would pay him that)
Smalling 20m (70k per week, the only player other clubs may want, had a good season in Serie A, he is 30 already though)
Rojo 0 (80k per week, are there any club want him with 80k salary though? he average few games per season for us in past few years)
Lingard 15m (75k per week, the worst no.10 in the league, good luck for any club buying him)
Pereira 10m (30k per week, not many clubs would want him, but he is young and had premier league experience, so he still has his market)
Sanchez 0 confirmed (350k per week, Inter can only afford him at 0 transfer fee, due to his very high wages, lucky we still got rid of him for free)

Total: 72m (save 780k per week salary, around 42m per year)

Not going to sell Fred. Why sell him? We lacking squad depth, and he is good squad player as proven last season.
 
LucasXXII said:
Our league rankings for each season and the net spend of the following season (according to transfermarkt) post-Fergie:

SeasonRankingNet spend the following season (€)
13/147146.09m
14/15453.93m
15/165137.75m
16/176152.9m
17/18252.15m
18/196132.82m
19/2030m (at the moment)

I mean isn't the pattern obvious? Whenever we're in top 4, no transfer kitty for the next season. Only when we fall out of top 4 would money be pumped into the club's transfer budget.

Clearly our aim under the Glazers is to stay in top 4, get that UCL money and nothing more.
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How strange that Utd have finished in the top 3 in 2 of the last 3 season's.
 
I don’t think we’ve got the cash. I’m pretty sure the Bruno fee was also out of this summers budget.

We’ll sign one player, probably Grealish for 70m after we’ve sold Smalling, Pereira and possibly Lingard.
 
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