He does a brilliant job at hiding all of that.
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I do hope so because I didn't see any of the things you mentioned in him.
Technically average, poor in air , average passing and make unnecessary fouls. Unless he improves drastically this year I fear for his future .
For me a player becomes a b2b if he takes part in attack and makes those late runs into the box like Gerrard and matuidi and Lampard and Fletcher and all used to do or still do. Schneiderlin rarely forayed into the opposition third forget the box. Neither did wanyama. He had 4 goals that year 3 of which were through set pieces. That doesn't show him as a b2b.
He's absolutely nothing like Carrick.
Yeah, that must be it. So good that people can't see it.
That's quite often used on this forum, quite embarassing.
What player have you been watching. Technically poor? Nah, we clearly are watching something else. Our stats showed result wise we were much better with him in our team than without.
Quality player of which I'm in no doubt but positions on the pitch are all about partnerships and I'm not sure we have the right compliment next to him.
Don't quote me unless you are going to make an actual point.You clearly don't rate him and that's your opinion which is ok but I strongly disagree. Playing in central midfield growing up I understand that the dm rarely gets appreciated compared to the attacking one. I just see his strengths and think he will be great for us with the right person to partner him. Instead of a chop change negative system under Van Gaal
Hasn't impressed me much ever since he joined last season. Hopefully he would improve this season under Mourinho.
What do you think a good dm is suppose to be? He needs a consistent run of games with someone good in front of him.
He never played as the deepest CM for Southampton, he was the B2B ball winner ahead of the holder who was Wanyama. If we played 4-3-3 he'd be a good fit in the defensive #8 role between Carrick and Pogba.
We've still not used him correctly so its difficult to judge. He's got a place in this squad for me, for sure.
Stats ? Really -?
Give me a match where he was technically excellent please - not a wind up - genuinely want to see if I missed anything .
People like to obfuscate the issue with lots of acronyms and boring formation talk but if you go back to the root question of "has he shown he's capable of being the most defensive midfielder in the team?" the answer is clearly yes. He played at Southampton for 5 years before Wanyama made his move. For club and country he played as the deepest CM, the defensive pivot, the DM, whatever you want to call it - he was obviously the defensive-minded midfielder sitting in front of the defence.
In his PL debut, this is how they setup:
In his full debut for France, this is how they setup:
Whats disappointed me most about Schneiderlin has been his lack of real pace and aggression in games.
I thought at Southampton he imposed himself much more on games in a physical sense and often dominated games.
Where has this player gone?
I thought at Southampton he imposed himself much more on games in a physical sense and often dominated games.
Where has this player gone?
People like to obfuscate the issue with lots of acronyms and boring formation talk but if you go back to the root question of "has he shown he's capable of being the most defensive midfielder in the team?" the answer is clearly yes. He played at Southampton for 5 years before Wanyama made his move. For club and country he played as the deepest CM, the defensive pivot, the DM, whatever you want to call it - he was obviously the defensive-minded midfielder sitting in front of the defence.
In his PL debut, this is how they setup:
In his full debut for France, this is how they setup:
The 2 seasons that saw him stand out at Southampton and led to him being a target for top clubs were when he was partnered with Wanyama. So if we take out acronyms and formations basically his best seasons were when he was partnered with another midfielder that sat deeper and had the greater positional responsibility, something he'd certainly not have paired with Pogba. The only CM we have that has the right footballing tools to play with Pogba in a 2 is Carrick, but physically he's only suited to playing in a 3 these days in the PL, which wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have to play Rooney.
Why does everyone keep saying this?
Mourinho will pick players on merit, there is no evidence to suggest he will play Rooney no matter how he plays.
I find it odd that you're ignoring his first season to make your point. Here's a post of yours from his thread at the end of his first season - he was talked about as a target for top clubs before Wanyama came and he was described as a "holding midfielder".
I'm not showing you anything, have a cup of tea and calm down.
In fairness mate you are digging up a post from 3 years ago where I merely posted an article for discussion in a thread.
He wasn't dominating in the sense that a top team needs.
Top players play effectively in the tightest matches. Chess-like games of football. Games where every move needs to be precise and measured. Players are expected to use the ball properly, and need the confidence in their ability to keep hold of the ball under pressure.
Lesser players tend to play more effectively in more open matches, where the ball is knocking about, and there are loads of 50-50s and misplaced balls to challenge for. It takes less skill to dominate these matches.
Schneiderlin falls into the second category. Whenever he's tasked with playing on the front foot or in a slower, more pinpoint way, he looks ineffective.
He may be useful for when Mourinho wants to do a dirty/ugly 'park the bus' job, though.
He was hailed as our next midfield general last summer... I do wonder how many people that are now bashing him were posting drool smilies and cock out stuff in his transfer thread... So many were clamouring for him and so many were impatient and furious about us dilly dallying and not making the most obvious signing of a decade... People were furious and so scared that we would let Arsenal snap him up...
Exactly. Some wanted to burn down OT at the thought we were getting Bastian instead of him. Now he should be sold?
No doubt about it, he has played within himself since his time here. That being said, I thought a lot of our players played within themselves last season. It's why Martial and Rashford were refreshing to see.
I really want to see him next to Carrick, as a box to box midfielder. It did happen a few times last season, but I can't really remember how he got on. I definitely think he's at best when he's given licence to get around the pitch, though, as opposed to sitting in front of the back four.
Asking him to be a DM would be akin to asking Fletcher. It's just not their game. Not for a team that has most of the ball anyway. Let him charge around a bit and then we can make an assessment.
Lovren was so fecking good for the Saints, threw the towel under Rodgers (who wouldn't 
) and needed little time to come good again under Kloppo.
Point is when Lovren can recover, why should it be impossible for Schneiderlin?!
For me he must have been trained and played incorrectly, Jose is a different animal, looking forward to having the likes of obviously Schneiderlin and in addition to that Carrick and Herrera back to their best. League won't know what's hit them.
) and needed little time to come good again under Kloppo. Point is when Lovren can recover, why should it be impossible for Schneiderlin?!
For me he must have been trained and played incorrectly, Jose is a different animal, looking forward to having the likes of obviously Schneiderlin and in addition to that Carrick and Herrera back to their best. League won't know what's hit them.
I will not judge him on last season under that buffoon. Looked a proper player at Southampton.
He was a bit subdued from my memory. He seems to be a player who is best in a mobile midfield. When he played with Carrick, and especially Fellaini, he spent a lot of time covering them and not much else.
Few games that stand out were Everton and City away, he got around the pitch well and supported the attack quite nicely. He's definitely more rounded than just somebody who sit's back and dictates play. Think he would be a nice foil for Pogba.
Charge around and do what though? He's not a goal scorer and he's not a particularly good passer. Constantly loses his man in defensive positions too. I'd hope last season was just a terrible anomaly but the signs haven't been great.
Annoy the opposition, close players down, break up play. Fletcher and Nicly Butt weren't goalscorers or great passers but they were more than useful in that role.
I agree he should still have shown more last season. He looked overawed by the situation.
They were better footballers than Schneiderlin. And weren't as useless defensively either.
I think Fletcher was a better footballer, not sure about Butt. They still weren't goalscorers though and neither had much creativity in their passing. They kept it pretty simple on the whole. Both box to box midfielders though who contributed greatly. There's a definite roll for that type of player.
Playing DM requires a centre backs awareness. It's all about what's going on behind you. Positioning being key. Schneiderlin isn't very good at it however I doubt Butt and Fletcher would have been either.
I can see him flourishing under Mourinho.
I really hope so. I thought he was great at Southampton but has been a crushing disappointment for us so far. What worries me is his pre-season cameo was more of the same flaws we saw last season. Hopefully just a bit of rust.
Too early in the pre season really. We will see how he gets on. Mourinho is only just getting to know the players.
Surprised this wasn't bumped after his cameo yesterday. I know the game was at a walking pace when he came on but some of his passing was Scholesyesque.
Yeah I thought he looked pretty good yesterday, more assertive in his play.
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