Because he's already proven himself to be incredibly talented during his time at Southampton, he was comfortably the best defensive minded midfielder in the league during this time there.
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For feck sakes, give him a fecking chance.
It was one preseason half under a new manager, and the sharks are out. Why are people so impatient?
It was one preseason half under a new manager, and the sharks are out. Why are people so impatient?
I don't really see what he is going to offer us for most of this season...
At Southampton it's a little different because they aren't really dominating matches in the attacking way that you would expect a good United side to do. Schneiderlin offers absolutely nothing to our attack as a midfielder. All of our other midfielders are more effective with the ball... Carrick, Fellaini etc.
If he can't play the CDM role on his own... I don't see any role for him in the team really. Probably only in the games where we are putting out a more conservative side with two defensive midfielders... which is not something I'd like to see happen too often.
At Southampton it's a little different because they aren't really dominating matches in the attacking way that you would expect a good United side to do. Schneiderlin offers absolutely nothing to our attack as a midfielder. All of our other midfielders are more effective with the ball... Carrick, Fellaini etc.
If he can't play the CDM role on his own... I don't see any role for him in the team really. Probably only in the games where we are putting out a more conservative side with two defensive midfielders... which is not something I'd like to see happen too often.
He deserves another season especially with Jose and french team mate Pogba. I think they will work well together epsecially in a 3
This, 100%. The guy is obviously a good player.
He was decent at Southampton but best in the league??
Yup, who was better?
He wasn't just decent, he was one of the best in the league.
We'll agree to disagree, I maintain he'll come good. Not many believed Carrick or Fletcher were good enough initially.
A lot of Southampton players are incredibly overrated. They have a system that makes players look better than they actually are. Morgan will improve from last season, no doubt, but he's far too limited to be a regular starter for us.
Matic at Chelsea was better.
Bingo. A bit like Swansea, they have such a well-run club that flatters quite a few of their players (and even managers) to different extents.
At the end of the day that's what you want. You want to see the whole better than the sum of players.
My first thought when reading that also. That's pretty much how team sports work. We should also be aiming to be a team greater than the sum of its parts. Every team should. It's exactly what Fergie was so great at, whilst also having some excellent individuals too.
Schneiderlin has had more good seasons in the Premier League than bad, and the bad one coincided with one our most fruitless seasons in terms of performance on the pitch. I don't think any player should be harshly judged based on last season. Bar 3 or 4, the whole team was pretty awful, and I don't think it is a coincidence that everone's performance immediately dropped all at the same time.
I disagree, defensively Schneiderlin was better but I can see why you feel he was better so we will count that, so any other players other than Matic?
The majority of the new players over the last few summers (not including this one) are at that 5th/6th place level. That's where most of them have finished during their careers at best. So it's not really a drop. Neither is it a surprise that 5th is where they managed to end up.
The players in last season's squad who'd played important parts in title-winning squads were mostly past it.
I don't follow the logic, it would be like saying that Delle Alli is at League One level because he was bought there.
There's a major difference between individual performance and where the players previous club finished in the league before signing for us. The two aren't really comparable. Shaw came from the same club, and is considered one of our most valuable players. Memphis and Blind came from title winning sides and continue to divide opinion. It's a bit of a blanket statement.
Schneiderlin was among the best in his position in 14/15. He started fairly well here, then around November the whole team collapsed, and we had practically no stand out performers for some time. His performance definitely dropped, as nearly everyone's did.
Definitely deserves another season. And a chance to get fit before he's judged!
Rated him at Southampton. He has his year to settle in and hopefully he comes good, he has the talent IMO.
It' not like saying that at all.
It is like saying that if Tottenham bought a bunch of League One players, the fans shouldn't be shocked if they drop closer to League One standard.
If Liverpool sign a bunch of players from relegated sides, it shouldn't surprise their fans that they drop closer to relagtion.
United didn't just buy one player like Schnederlin - they bought a bunch (Fellaini, Depay, Mata, Blind, Darmian, Herrera...) with barely any real international pedigree to speak of, and none of whom have ever shown it much beyond that 5th/6th place ceiling in a top league (and that's being kind to the Dutch league.)
Shock horror - they combine to create they kind of 5th/6th placed teams they were playing in.
Didn't Fellaini take his place on the pitch yesterday?
Correct me if I am wrong, but at half time, Morgan/Herrera were subbed with Fellaini/Carrick.
In the 2nd half we completely dominated, 4-0.
Last season, I said this after every game. Morgan was invisible and there were games where I needed to check the team sheet, after the game, to see if he was on the pitch or not. The reply I got from some posters was "silent domination".
Personally, I think that a CM should never be invisible.
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I stand correct. thanks. I shall edit my original post.
Dude, you can't use Southampton as the standard on which players are judged.
Southampton are a mid-table team. No doubt Morgan will look good in a mid-table team, but in a title winning team, how would he look. That's what we need to know.
He is the same type of player like Carrick. No one really rates him and sees what he brings to the team but when these type of players are not playing due to injury, we clearly see what we are missing. It wasn't his best game yesterday but he just came back to training a few days ago, what do you expect? I think he will have a very important role in the team, same role as Matic had under Mourinho.
He is class, hasn't been for us very often but could be in the future. Worried if we play 4231 with him and pogba (if we get him) as the two that we would be very very open.
It's almost disrespectful that Carrick is being compared to Blind and Schneiderlin.
Schneiderlin lacks some key ingredients to play in a withdrawn position in midfield for an elite team. He lacks special awareness, good close control and has very limited passing ability.
No amount of time to "settle in" will make a difference with these short comings.
No amount of time to "settle in" will make a difference with these short comings.
Southampton can afford to play a system where they play the percentages and can get away with having limited players in key areas. Schneiderlin himself can get away with it because the scrutiny on his performance is nothing like it is at United. We shouldn't be coming up with a system to get the best out such a limited player. I'm sure he would do a decent enough job as a water carrier but we should be aiming higher.
Very useful comment, clearly contributed a lot to discussion. If you don't have anything to say then just don't.
You underrate Carrick and Matic if you believe Schneiderlin to be the same type of player.
Watch Schneiderlin when he receives the ball. He'll takes a step back and always plays facing the oppositions goal. He always want to see the full pitch as he lacks awarness around him before he receives the ball. He also isn't always confident in his first touch.
Then look at his passing ability. He lacks the ability to play through the lines with quick passes. He also lacks the ability to play the ball behind the fullback.
Matic and especially Carrick excel in these abilities which makes them elite players. Sadly Schneiderlin never will be.
You most certainly can, especially when it's in the league you are competing in. How else do you think scouts do their job? If you couldnt judge a player performances for lesser teams then we would wouldn't have signed anyone for a about 15 years under Fergie.
I didn't say he is better than Carrick. I am just saying that most of the people don't rate him at all because he doesn't score goals or make assists. But it's not his job to do it. His job is to cover defence which he does well however no one sees it. And no, I don't think Matic is better than Schneiderlin but some fans would be OK for us to spend £30 million on Matic.
The improvement is down more to Carrick and fellaini consequently having more freedom going forward. We had a pretty nice record last season when schneiderlin partnered Carrick and he had more freedom to venture forward as a box to box midfielder. Eventually everyone looks good next to Carrick but its hard to find a like for like replacement for a player like that.
People still don't understand what Morgan Schneiderlin's role is at times, it's really annoying. He's a technically gifted footballer, a dm that sweeps up any attack and spreads play from the back. He's a fantastic footballer that needs to play with somebody with a bit of energy that pushes up in front of him. He's not a box to box player, people think that unless he's banging them in our getting loads of assists that's he's crap. He's very accomplished as a player.Great tackler, good in the air, battler and has a fantastic passing range. He gets the tempo going and he isn't slow. Van joke destroyed him last year as well. He will be great under Jose, I'm confident of that.
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