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Seriously, the excuses that get made for his bad performances.... If this is the player we payed £25m for then we need not have bothered.

We brought Schneiderlin to replace Carrick. Not to use Carrick as a crutch for Schneiderlin.
 
I'm a fan of his talents but he was a shambles. Anyone blaming Fellaini for that needs their eyes checked. The guy couldn't complete the simplest of passes at times and played as if he had a scary monkey in front of his face. Tactically, because this is supposed to be his biggest strength, he was useless. Amateurish positioning and tracking. Shits himself even if under no pressure. At this point in time, our defenders are more comfortable on the ball than him. He realized this and started to leave Smalling all the passing duties of his.

He'll come good eventually because he's a very good player with impressive physique. He will prove to be a good signing eventually but he's as low on confidence as I've seen anyone at United this season and that's saying something.
 
Seriously, the excuses that get made for his bad performances.... If this is the player we payed £25m for then we need not have bothered.

We brought Schneiderlin to replace Carrick. Not to use Carrick as a crutch for Schneiderlin.

Agree. People keep saying he'll come good eventually?? What the feck did we buy him for? He's had long enough. Van Gaal has shipped out better players for less!
 
He is an important player for us for the future due to his size and mobility. His current performance level is clearly unacceptable but he is just going to have to adapt to the role.
 
Agree. People keep saying he'll come good eventually?? What the feck did we buy him for? He's had long enough. Van Gaal has shipped out better players for less!
Please tell me, whom did Van Gaal buy and sell after 6 months for less.
 
Please tell me, whom did Van Gaal buy and sell after 6 months for less.

I meant he has got rid of better players than Schneiderlin who weren't given the time to "come good eventually".
 
I meant he has got rid of better players than Schneiderlin who weren't given the time to "come good eventually".
Players he got rid of were mostly not 'his' players and that's the first point (bar an uninterested Di Maria who was gash and Falcao that needs no explaining). Secondly, some of those players already had a very doubtful future ahead of them before LvG came and would be sold by the majority on here. He should have convinced Hernandez to stay as a squad player but the question is whether he himself would have liked that role. He has barely set the world alight at Madrid as well and don't tell me you believe he would be scoring here like he does at Leverkusen, esp under this system. Rafael was barely fit, otherwise he would have been given another season (still should have been given a chance) but the point is I doubt it was his ability that convinced LvG but fitness issues. Kagawa was underused before LvG even came and seemingly wasn't sure himself if he wants to stay the moment Dortmund came calling. Who else?

Schneiderlin has been here for half a season and was decent at the beginning. He hasn't even regressed as much as Darmian has, for example. He has a poor run of form and hasn't expressed himself the way he did at Soton. By all accounts he's fully focused on making progress and is proven in PL. It would be madness to sell him on all fronts.
 
Still not sure what he's supposed to be doing in the team. Even Fellaini has a visible purpose when he's out on the pitch. More fouls per game than either Fellaini or the scouse thug.

I honestly have no idea what it is he actually does or is supposed to do aside from running around. Schweinstiger has been shit as well but he does have a good pass or two on him once in a while and I can sort of see why he's in the team. Also, for someone who's supposed to be good defensively, he gets caught out of position an awful lot. You can criticize all of Herrera/Carrick/Schweinstiger but their quality is there for all to see. Schneiderlin just looks bang average.
 
I think he's a player with a lot of energy. As a defensive midfielder we need a good passers instead of him like Schweinsteiger, Carrick or Blind. It's like Juventus when they had Pirlo, Vidal and Pogba. Schneiderlin is more like Vidal than Pirlo.
I would like to see him in a midfield of 3:
Schweinsteiger
Herrera - Schneiderlin​
 
Partly... but the man who scored the goal was Schneiderlin's man to track. Just 'cos Smalling went walkabout doesn't change that.

Normally I would agree about Smalling going walkabout but centre backs stepping out of the last line to press the ball is clearly an instruction under Van Gaal. Wijnaldum's goal at Newcastle was a result of the same thing.

There was a moment vs Derby late in the second half after Smalling bombed forward when Blind pressed the ball and United had 5 or 6 players goal side of both centre backs.

Such an unorthodox defensive style is why I really worry about the defence under the next manager. For now it means players like Schneiderlin need to be much better at tracking runners.
 
I am not going to say anything about Fellaini but anyone playing with that plank will suffer. But Schneiderlin has been really poor of late, his Passing, tackling, interception just all his general play. If BFS is injured Herrera and Carrick should get a run out there..
 
I think he's a player with a lot of energy. As a defensive midfielder we need a good passers instead of him like Schweinsteiger, Carrick or Blind. It's like Juventus when they had Pirlo, Vidal and Pogba. Schneiderlin is more like Vidal than Pirlo.
I would like to see him in a midfield of 3:
Schweinsteiger
Herrera - Schneiderlin​
A really really bad version of Pirlo, Vidal and Pogba. Really bad.
 
Was excellent for Southampton. Done just as well for France. Disappointing in Man United performances in a season where the team look no better almost every other game he played or not. Yes, obviously the player is the problem in question.
 
Was excellent for Southampton. Done just as well for France. Disappointing in Man United performances in a season where the team look no better almost every other game he played or not. Yes, obviously the player is the problem in question.
This, so much this! I agree that he's been poor as of late, and he deserves criticism for that. But some people are so disgustingly over the top I can't actually be bothered to read player performance threads. So much negativity and animosity towards players who are going through a poor run of form, or who are suffering under the shite tactics. Players aren't being given time to settle, they aren't allowed to go through a dip in form or even have a poor game, they're being attacked for things that have nothing to do with football, and trying not to slam them for every little thing ends up with you being accused of making excuses.

You'd think he'd been a massive disaster going by what people post in here, when he was actually doing fairly well (bar a couple of games) until he got injured in December.
 
What sort of player was he for Southampton? Was he was more creative and box to box since he had Wanyama next to him to do the dirty work? Still can't figure out what sort of role we need to give him here long term.
 
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What sort of player was he for Southampton? Was he was more creative and box to box since he had Mane next to him to do the dirty work? Still can't figure out what sort of role we need to give him here long term.

Wanyama, not Mane.
 
Not good enough for United

:lol: Get out of here with this fecking garbage.

I didn't think he was good enough for United when we signed him and nothing has happened to suggest otherwise, so I'm not sure why it's even close to laughable?

I was hoping he'd step up as he is at least the type of player we needed, but if anything he looks a worse player than he did at Southampton. His passing isn't good/consistent enough for a team like United and it never has been, so he needs to compensate by offering something else. Losing his man constantly and letting opposition players just run past him isn't exactly the something else you'd be hoping for.

In his defence I'm not sure there is a midfielder on the planet who could cope with having Fellaini as a partner.
 
What sort of player was he for Southampton? Was he was more creative and box to box since he had Wanyama next to him to do the dirty work? Still can't figure out what sort of role we need to give him here long term.
He did the dirty work up until Wanyama arrived. With Wanyama being the more limited of the two, Schneiderlin was deployed more as a box-to-box type player after his arrival and was great at it, and was easily their best player.
 
He did the dirty work up until Wanyama arrived. With Wanyama being the more limited of the two, Schneiderlin was deployed more as a box-to-box type player after his arrival and was great at it, and was easily their best player.
I personally don't think he's good enough to be a box to box player. He has limited passing range and doesn't seem to have goals in his armoury.
 
Needs a playmaker next to him badly - a useful defensive player but limited on what he does on the ball
Hoping he improves his passing and awareness
 
Suppose it must also be LVGs fault that he has been rubbish for past few months!
 
Yesterday it was almost like he was playing centre back, when we were playing out of defence he was always behind the fullbacks.

Right now he looks like a poor mans water carrier, nothing like a deschamps or makele.

Where does he play for France?
 
Suppose it must also be LVGs fault that he has been rubbish for past few months!
You know I'm one of LvG's biggest critics. However, I'm sure you can't blame LvG for his poor passing, lack of exploiting space in front and vision during the match. Blind and Smalling are having to do the work for him it seems.
 
Watching this game with a bunch of other United fans last night and the biggest debate was who was the worst as passing, Fellaini or Schneiderlin. We decided Fellaini but man, they are both so poor on the ball.
 
I personally don't think he's good enough to be a box to box player. He has limited passing range and doesn't seem to have goals in his armoury.

Correct on the goals and therefore the box to box front: He has 11 goals in his 108 Prem appearances so he is a 1 in 10 games goal scorer, which averages out at 3-4 goals per season.

Needs a playmaker next to him badly - a useful defensive player but limited on what he does on the ball
Hoping he improves his passing and awareness

Also, not big on assists nor key passes so agree, that is not his role. He is a DM through and through and that is why some of us were so pleased when we got him as it is clear, with Carrick's gradual decline, that we needed a player with those attributes.

Suppose it must also be LVGs fault that he has been rubbish for past few months!

I don't think it's any coincidence that his looking worse has coincided with Fellaini being his MF partner. Fella is positionally unaware and combine that with LVG clearly instructing him to push forward as much as poss means Morgan is left exposed more than is ideal. That's one of the reasons why he ranks so high on the fouls tally - when you're outnumbered on the counterattack the spoiling foul is a necessary evil- it's a part of our game that was missing for a while and I for one are glad we have Morgan to add that resilience.

He should be an automatic starter in all key games for us. What we need now is to settle on the remaining make-up of the MF and stick with it. For me Morgan is our best 6 with Carrick as back-up. BFS or Herrera our best options at 8. Mata, Januzaj or at a push Fellaini as 10 (assuming that Rooney stays as 9 and Martial as 11).
 
I'm not making excuses for his bad performances as he's not been good himself lately but I do think it would help if we had a playmaker next to him.
 
I'm confident he'll come good, but yes he has been disappointing so far.

Now that Carrick is back hopefully we can partner the two of them and let Schneiderlin start concentrating on locking down the defensive side of things while Carrick controls us around the park. Get his confidence up, and then hopefully the rest will follow.
 
Also, not big on assists nor key passes so agree, that is not his role. He is a DM through and through and that is why some of us were so pleased when we got him as it is clear, with Carrick's gradual decline, that we needed a player with those attributes.

He should be an automatic starter in all key games for us. What we need now is to settle on the remaining make-up of the MF and stick with it. For me Morgan is our best 6 with Carrick as back-up. BFS or Herrera our best options at 8. Mata, Januzaj or at a push Fellaini as 10 (assuming that Rooney stays as 9 and Martial as 11).

Right now, he is nowhere close to being a worthy successor to Carrick!

Carrick not only effortlessly broke up opposition offensive moves but also had a world class array of short passing to initiate attacks. Some of his midfield play between 2007-2011 was sublime.

Morgan is not currently better at the defensive responsibility of his DM position, let alone his attacking requirements.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but he needs to develop his skills a lot more if he is to bracketed along with a younger and in form Carrick. Certainly he does not deserve automatic selection status right now.
 
I think he would benefit from a midfield 3 where his job is strictly to protect his defense. Playing in a midfield two at this level demands a passing range he simply doesn't not have. Him and Fellaini is just criminal in midfield if you want a passing game.
 
He's such a very frustrating player. so negative in his passing, and doesn't track runners. Needs to learn from Carrick.
I think he is being asked to play like Carrick and that comes with a responsibility to change his whole mind set. He will get there in time but people have to also understand these things take time, he made a name for himself by playing in different way from what he is being tasked to do.
 
Was he actually benched? As in dropped? The lengths LVG go to to avoid fielding our best team...

I'm really hoping he was saved for Chelsea.
 
Was he actually benched? As in dropped? The lengths LVG go to to avoid fielding our best team...

I'm really hoping he was saved for Chelsea.

Don't think Morgan is even remotely in a form that would suggest he should be in the starting eleven every game. He was quite poor the last few games and Fellaini did OK last night
 
Don't think Morgan is even remotely in a form that would suggest he should be in the starting eleven every game. He was quite poor the last few games and Fellaini did OK last night

Maybe Chelsea won't be as poor as Stoke though and we will need mobility in midfield. Can't see Carrick and Fellaini doing well against Chelsea.
 
Don't think Morgan is even remotely in a form that would suggest he should be in the starting eleven every game. He was quite poor the last few games and Fellaini did OK last night

Agree Schneiderlin hasn't been in great shakes recently but we need him on Sunday, with Fellaini in midfield we'd get overrun.
 
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