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He was a must-buy for United.
His off the ball work was super. Exactly what we needed.
I'll join the chorus, thought he was excellent today and he's slowly but surely becoming a very important player for us. Carrick's days as a starter are most definitely over.
He does precisely what you expect him to do.
Not a single complaint from me.
Not a single complaint from me.
does the f'n job.
Excellent without being a stand out I like him a lot. Such a sensible buy.
Games like these must fill Schneiderlin with confidence, starting to play like a Makélélé and Petit hybrid. Really good blend of defensive awareness, pressing ability, stamina, commitment and physicality. Plus, his passing ability seems to progressing just fine, almost as good as his Southampton standards, which bodes well for the future as he improves even further. Really dogged presence in the center of the park, and beginning to really impose himself on the opposition rather than being passive like he was at the start of his United career.
Fantastic again today, he adds the steel that our midfield has needed for years. He, de gea and smalling are the 3 permanents on the team sheet in my eyes IMO, he really is that important too us.
MoM for me. Again.
Great signing.....
Ability on the ball has improved greatly
Him and Bastian are a huge part of our defensive improvement.
Excellent at breaking up play! Mastered the art of little inconspicuous fouls.
He's almost entering Lucas like territory with his ability to commit numerous fouls, and not get booked.
It must be his beautiful face, and that big French grin that the refs just can't resist. Feck knows how Lucas used to get away with it mind.
Thought he was your best player today, he's very good at slide tackles.
Improves every game, vital signing.
This, seems to growing in confidence as the season progresses.
Important role today. It was a real battle in that midfield and he really got stuck in. Great performance after what would have been a very tough week for the guy.
The perception of Schneiderlin is bizarre. That was one of our worst midfield performances of the season and a perfect example of what we lack when Carrick's not there. He was the reason it became a "battle". Even van Gaal said we didn't play well in possession. Schneiderlin's job is to help us dominate the game and control the midfield, not to make lots of tackles.
Well, it's both really. He's a defensive midfielder. When we don't have the ball, it's his job to stop the opposition. He did that. Schneiderlin isn't the tempo setter in the midfield. It should have been Schweinsteiger. We would have controlled the game with ease if not for injuries, as the 4-2-2-2 we started with was tearing them apart.
It was a turbulent game, we turned up with no centre forwards. An injury somehow made the manager completely change the shape and dynamic of the team to a system we've not played for ages, and disrupted a defence which looked very comfortable. Then we had to make a 2nd defensive change with a player who hasn't played for ages. To expect us still dominate the game and hog the ball in those circumstances is asking a lot, especially when Watford had nothing to lose but to throw everything at us. In spite of that, Schneiderlin's work off the ball was very good. As much as I like Carrick, I don't think he would have done the dirty work Schneiderlin did today.
It was a turbulent game, we turned up with no centre forwards. An injury somehow made the manager completely change the shape and dynamic of the team to a system we've not played for ages, and disrupted a defence which looked very comfortable. Then we had to make a 2nd defensive change with a player who hasn't played for ages. To expect us still dominate the game and hog the ball in those circumstances is asking a lot, especially when Watford had nothing to lose but to throw everything at us. In spite of that, Schneiderlin's work off the ball was very good. As much as I like Carrick, I don't think he would have done the dirty work Schneiderlin did today.
Was suprised with the low rating he got from todays match I thought he was our best midfilder by some margin but i guess the 5 great minutes from Bastian who was pretty poor for the rest of the game is more valuable then a 90 minute good and disciplined performance from a more defensive player.
We controlled the first half just fine, it was when we switched too a defensive formation we lost our footing. It was never a problem through the middle either, all of Watfords Attacks came with overlaps down the flanks.
He had a great game in my eyes.
He was very good in possession, though. Used it incredibly wisely in and amongst tight situations. A lot more so than Bastian, who was sloppy.
Our midfield was a little isolated with the change of formation. Herrera is a lot better at dropping into midfield than Mata.
Carrick would have fell foul to the very same issues, minus the crucial break up play.
Our most underrated player at the moment. Our midfield is rock solid with him in it, excellent purchase he is proving to be.
Schweinsteiger was the bigger problem. I agree that our passing wasn't good enough, but Schneiderlin lost the ball a lot less than Schweinsteiger.
It might have been one of the worst midfield performances of the season (after Herrera went off and the formation changed), but that wasn't down to Schneiderlin, and I have no idea how you've come to the conclusion that it was. When the game develops the way it did, his job literally becomes "make lots of tackles".
Compare his stats to Schweinsteiger.
Morgan wasn't great but what's really bizarre is singling that out as one of our worst midfield performances of the season when it wasn't even our worst midfield performance of this weekend.
Obviously because Schneiderlin played quite a few awful passes and didn't help us controlling the game in the second half. Also in terms of making a lot of tackles; according to whoscored he made 2 and according to squawka he made 1. His success rate was 13% leading to 5 fouls. He can definitely do better in that regard.
It was acually lots of interceptions (6) and thats part of controlling the midfield.
I think he meant that as a whole our midfield was bad rather than singling out Schneiderlin.
Indeed. You can judge attackers by their individual contribution but you tend to judge midfielders and defenders on their contribution to the collective. Praising a centre mids performance individually in a game that we obviously struggled in midfield collectively doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
I think Schneiderlin's a good player but he's been a part of many poor midfield performances (and subsequently most of our poor results). Yet in here he generally gets nothing but praise. I don't really understand that disconnect. Conspicuous player in poor midfield performances = lots of praise, inconspicuous player in good midfield performances = lots of criticism.
I agree, Schweinstiger was much worse. He was appropriately criticised for that. I don't think Schneiderlin was particularly worthy of criticism but it's the fact he gets praised for playing a part in such a poor midfield performance that's bizarre.
I was speaking generally about the tackling, btw. I agree he didn't do an amazing job with that today, but it was in response too the claim that his job isn't "to make lots of tackles". My main point of contention was him being thrown under the bus when he had to pick up Bastian's slack.
Strangely, his objectively "worst" performances have been in games where we've won, whilst his better performances are usually when we do poorly and he's playing next to a struggling Schweinsteiger.
I don't think it's bizarre to praise a player for doing a good job under difficult circumstances.
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omg, classy againhis job is different to what carrick does, you need to understand that. Carrick would struggle after that change of formation when we put a player from midfield to defense. Today it was classic Schneiderlin performance, who just dominated midfield his own way, breaking the play really well, not letting them a single opening. There wasn't much space to handle the ball better today, they were pressing high and its been a long time we played 5 defenders and two strikers, hence the job for midfielders become tougher.
He didn't really standout for me today but he did his usual standard well. To call it the worst midfield performance of the season is either overraction or perhaps the lack of football knowledge. It's a bit of both I guess. He's easily the best buy of the summer, maybe on par with the other frenchman.
The way the game unfolded, it required that type of performance. It wasn't a pretty game, so expecting Carrick type of control over a game like that is a little harsh.
Do you think that's strange? I think it's illuminating. If he plays well when we don't play well then perhaps what he does well isn't actually that important or even beneficial to the team. People might like seeing it but that's deceptive. People say Carrick couldn't have done what he did and I agree - but he wouldn't have had to. He's covered for Schweinstiger's poor performances on the ball and helped us dominate the midfield regardless.
It's setting the bar extremely low if we're saying "well, we lost control of the midfield, and in that scenario he did well to get stuck in and battle away". We should be expecting him to wrestle back control of the midfield. That's his role. Defending well is part of that but not the extent of it.
How many games have we been found lacking in when he hasn't played? He offers all of these things like bite, energy, defensive protection etc. but how many times has us "lacking" that really hindered the team? Very rarely, in my view.
We keep a clean sheet in ~50% of our games with or without him so I don't think we can say any of the above really translates into better defensive performances. We could say it translates to unquantifiable things like midfield dominance and leave it there, but I just think his influence is being vastly overstated. I think that's mostly because he fits the profile of the kind of player so many people have wanted since Keane retired, so just by his style of play alone he wins praise.
He is just absolutely everywhere every single game.
Such an integral part of us controlling games and keeping everything settled.
Such an integral part of us controlling games and keeping everything settled.
Carrick hasn't dominated the midfield this season, however. He's had one game worthy of his, let's say 12/13 form, which was against Moscow at home. Aside from that he's faded into the backdrop, a long term product of partnering him with a partner of equal/more experience and responsibility.
All statistics point to Carrick being pivotal to this United side and our results, but on the basis of his actual performances, which have been objectively poorer than Schneiderlin's on the whole, I think it's a baffling case of immense coincidence. I refer to last season, too.
As for the final question you pose. The lack of bite and defensive protection was most noticeable in that game against Arsenal at the Emirates. We wouldn't have conceded three goals in twenty minutes with Schneiderlin in the midfield. Infact, we haven't conceded three with him on the field at any point in his short time here.
Your general assertion that the Schneiderlin-Schweinsteiger duo is a contributer to our weakest midfield performances is one I simply disagree completely on the whole. I think they're the most balanced and energetic pair by far.
The Arsenal game, where we lacked a defensive presence infront of the back four, and got absolutely twatted.
I'm not saying he alone would have rescued a result, but the general consensus on that day from fans and pundits was that we needed him, or a player performing a role like he does, in the centre of midfield. Schweinsteiger played quite an advanced/box to box role that day (or tried to), and Carrick got totally dominated, because he's not a out and out defensive midfielder like Schneiderlin is.
He also didn't play in the PSV game, and they started to cut us open once Shaw went off. So, two of our three losses this season, Schneiderlin didn't play. Nor did he play when we got knocked out of the cup, when Boro could have won it normal time with the chances they had.
IMO, Schneiderlin has been a significant part of our excellent defensive record this season.
I'd like to know what makes you so sure that Schneiderlin has been objectively better if his presence in the team hasn't resulted in better results or better performances. It's all well and good saying Carrick has just coincidentally played in winning teams but surely you have an explanation for why Schneiderlin hasn't been part of well performing teams in the majority of his appearances despite "objectively" playing well?
I agree - Schneiderlin would've helped in the Arsenal game. Though that's the only game you can point to then it suggests he's not quite that critical. On the flipside we can point to an inability to score on multiple occasions with him in the team...and I think there's every reason to believe that's not just coincidental, IMO.
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