Morgan Schneiderlin image 28

Morgan Schneiderlin France flag

2015-16 Performances


View full 2015-16 profile

5.7 Season Average Rating
Appearances
38
Goals
1
Assists
1
Yellow cards
5
Status
Not open for further replies.
Stats aren't everything. Just because he didn't score 15 goals or rack up loads of assists doesn't mean he was not a box to box player. Of the Wanyama-Schneiderlin pairing he was the one with significantly more license to go forward and his transition to a box to box player was repeatedly noted throughout his final year at Southampton.

A limited selection of articles that mention Schneiderlin as a B2B player.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...anchester-Uniteds-most-important-signing.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...on-midfielder-pushing-for-a-move-9643136.html

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2014/05/1...n-schneiderlin-may-be-ready-to-leave-southam/

Stats are more relevant than whatever narrative you've thought up in your head to suit your argument, even more so when the stats make it so overwhelmingly obvious as to what his role is.

Those articles go no way to proving he's a B2B midfielder, in fact the first article actually cites all of his defensive stats as to why he's bossing the midfield. Tackles/Interceptions/Duels/Clearances. His heat map which is used as an example isn't very hard to understand when he's playing vs a side like Villa and United have 65%+ of the ball of course the majority of his average position will be in their half.

The 2nd article has one comment which speculates he could fill the B2B role if he moved to Spurs and the 3rd aricle is even more hilarious since the only inclusion of B2B was him being asked who his heroes were and he said Gerrard/Zidane because they could play either role.

Let's look at how he compares offensively vs the obvious B2B CM's in the league:

Yaya Cesc Henderson Schneiderlin Ramsey
Goals 36 22 15 9 17

Assists 15 41 20 2 16

SPG 3.1 1.6 1.4 1.2 2.2

KeyP 1.4 2.8 1.8 0.9 1.6

Drib 1.8 1.1 0.5 0.6 1.3

He's miles behind all of them in almost every category offensively. The opposite appears when you looks at his defensive contributions where he beats every single one of them with tackles/interceptions/blocks/duels/clearances and actually leads the entire league in a number of those.
 
This is simply not worth it. Southampton supporters considered him a box to box player in his final year. It's more than possible for a player to be oriented towards defensive stats, while still being a box to box player, a la Keane. A player like Yaya is also a box to box player, but he (and Cesc etc) are attacking oriented. Box to box doesn't exclusively mean an attacking CM which seems to be your conception of the position with the players you've quoted.
 
This is simply not worth it. Southampton supporters considered him a box to box player in his final year. It's more than possible for a player to be oriented towards defensive stats, while still being a box to box player, a la Keane. A player like Yaya is also a box to box player, but he (and Cesc etc) are attacking oriented. Box to box doesn't exclusively mean an attacking CM which seems to be your conception of the position with the players you've quoted.

I didn't know you were Southampton's rep on Redcafe and could speak for their entire fanbase. And as I pointed out in those stats, Schneiderlin is behind those players in almost every single category offensively and ahead of them all in almost every category defensively. It's not difficult.
 
I didn't know you were Southampton's rep on Redcafe and could speak for their entire fanbase. And as I pointed out in those stats, Schneiderlin is behind those players in almost every single category offensively and ahead of them all in almost every category defensively. It's not difficult.

You've just proven his point.
 
Stats aren't everything. Just because he didn't score 15 goals or rack up loads of assists doesn't mean he was not a box to box player. Of the Wanyama-Schneiderlin pairing he was the one with significantly more license to go forward and his transition to a box to box player was repeatedly noted throughout his final year at Southampton.

A limited selection of articles that mention Schneiderlin as a B2B player.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...anchester-Uniteds-most-important-signing.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...on-midfielder-pushing-for-a-move-9643136.html

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2014/05/1...n-schneiderlin-may-be-ready-to-leave-southam/
He doesn't score and assist enough to be a top level box-to-box midfielder. If you want to be the that player, with another player being the holding player, you need to be getting a fair share of goal involvements - like Yaya or Ramsey.
 
Baffles me he didn't start today, our midfield is getting mullered
 
Should be playing these games. Mind boggling decision to leave him out.
 
That's exactly why you play this guy. He doesn't go forward much, isn't a top, top passer but we've virtually got no midfield now.
 
These were the games he wasn brought in to play, against quick midfielders. His mobility and tenacity wouldn't have given Arsenal the time they've had today. Carrick, as much as I like him, has been a scarecrow. He doesn't have the mobility to recover when a ball goes behind him or to track the run of someone like Ozil or Sanchez. He should have started.
 
Should be playing.
 
Why even buy him if you're going to play two pensioners ahead of him?
I'm not saying we'd have won but starting him could have at least kept it respectable.
 
Feel it would have been a different game if he started. I thought we bought him for games like this.
 
today's game was crying out for him, especially during the early stages. not sure why he didn't get the start as I had predicted.
 
The match was begging for him to play in, especially since he would have loved to stick one in Arsenal's face.

He may have not performed as well as we would have wanted him to in recent matches, but nobody will tell me the manager had to pull him out of his element because of how he played against Wolfsburg in mid-week.
 
LVG's use of him has been bizarre to say the least.
 
I don't see much point in us predominantly using Schneiderlin in games where we boss possession and the opposition sit back. He's ideal for the games where we need a ball winner in midfield as he's someone who isn't afraid to put his foot in and make tackles. The opposition rarely waltz through our midfield when he plays so he should be playing all the games against other possession teams as his best qualities are useful to us then.

I should probably point out that I haven't watched the Arsenal game, as I was working and was a bit put off watching the recording when I got in, but I've read a few bits and pieces and my Dad's given me his summary...
 
I don't see much point in us predominantly using Schneiderlin in games where we boss possession and the opposition sit back. He's ideal for the games where we need a ball winner in midfield as he's someone who isn't afraid to put his foot in and make tackles. The opposition rarely waltz through our midfield when he plays so he should be playing all the games against other possession teams as his best qualities are useful to us then.

I should probably point out that I haven't watched the Arsenal game, as I was working and was a bit put off watching the recording when I got in, but I've read a few bits and pieces and my Dad's given me his summary...

Agree with this entirely. He should be playing when we don't dominate the ball. Far, far too slow in CM yesterday without him.
 
I know LVG isn't simplistic but it really feels as if he has ordered his CMs as BFS, Carrick and schneiderlin in that order and plays them as such. BFS + Carrick for important games and schneiderlin with 1 of them when they need rest. It's baffling because I'd put schneiderlin as the 1st CM in the team for most matches especially the big ones.
 
He'll come good, it takes time to adapt to what LvG demands as we saw with a few players last season.
 
He's currently in the Ander Herrera role from last season. Wanted by fans, needed by the team but learning the philosophy still and probably underused till the second half of the campaign.

Which brings me onto Ander Herrera. Time to weep in his thread. Why Louis why!
 
I agree. He should. Carrick has been underwhelming this season. Schneiderlin deserves a run of games. He's young and fit enough to be playing back to back games, and he offers better protection to the back four than Carrick and Schweinsteiger.

Schmidfield need to be on the pitch at the same time, and more often.
 
He's been top class today, a rock and his passing has been decent too.
 
showed today why he's so important to our team, especially in big games. not starting him against arsenal was such a disastrous mistake to make.

not to take any credit away from herrera though, who was fantastic himself as well.
 
@Bojan11

He gets an 8/10 from me

Passing was generally excellent, kept it simple mostly which was super

Lovely goal

But mainly his positioning in particular when we were under pressure at the start of 2nd half was great

His best game by an absolute country mile for us
 
Status
Not open for further replies.