Schneiderlin and Herrera would rip oppenets open. Shame LVG doesn't see that.
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The Mikel of the last few seasons definitely yes but I think his first 3-4 seasons were very good at Chelsea.
So as it seems we won`t get another attacking player this window I would like to see us playing 4-3-3 on a constant basis with Schneiderlin, Herrera and one of Schweini (rotated with Carrick only when not fully fit) behind Rooney/Mata/Memphis.
That midfield would present a solid mixture and also give some cover to Smalling and Blind.
Schneiderlin and Herrera should get a starting spot in most of the games.
That midfield would present a solid mixture and also give some cover to Smalling and Blind.
Schneiderlin and Herrera should get a starting spot in most of the games.
As much as I'd love to see Herrera start some games for us, it doesn't look like LVG fancies him in the current set up at the moment. As someone pointed out to me before, LVG prefers a second striker in the no. 10 role, which pretty much rules out anyone that isn't Januzaj, Memphis, or Fellaini. He seems to have abandoned the Memphis experiment for now, but it seems strange that Mata, our most natural no. 10 can't get a start in that position. Of course he isn't the quickest but it's not like we have been blowing teams away with lightning pace attacks this season. Januzaj isn't mature enough to start in such a key position as yet. As such, I wouldn't be opposed to starting herrera in that position instead of Januzaj and see how he does. He's not the most natural no. 10, but he's got a good eye for a pass and links up well with Mata, wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.
Opinions are interesting. I had Morgan as our best player on Saturday, and thought he was excellent. Won 50 tackles as usual, and then in the second half I think he was very progressive and forward thinking too. He dropped a nice shoulder at one point and drove us forward through the middle, and got as far forward as the edge of the box and played a delightful back-heel in the one-two with Shaw before his (Shaw's) shot.
Yes I agree, funny I was arguing with a friend who was telling me Morgan can't contribute in the final third, to which I said.... well you're basically a twat and haven't watched him very much
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Yes I agree, funny I was arguing with a friend who was telling me Morgan can't contribute in the final third, to which I said.... well you basically a twat and haven't watched him very much
Yea, based on what I saw second half on Saturday, I think he will grow even more in that department as he and the team become settled.
Yes I agree, funny I was arguing with a friend who was telling me Morgan can't contribute in the final third, to which I said.... well you basically a twat and haven't watched him very much
He passes back too often for my liking. He doesn't see the space in front of him at times. I am sure that LVG will work on this with him.
First half yes, it was Bastians job to pass forward. When Bastian went off, he stepped it up.
Djemba was box to box and was signed for that reason
Sure Hargreaves was defensive mid but we got far better games out of him on the wing
I can't think of a Utd player who only ever was out and out defensive mid with no other role
Not sure why to Mikel comparison offends, as he has been every effective in that exact role over the years at Chelsea. The fact he is still at the club albeit in a far lesser role now, and gone through so many managers would certainly suggest he is no joke.
Mikel's shit, I think this is first time I've ever seen him described as anything other than shite
Over 200 games for Chelsea? And a bunch of medals? Don't talk out your ass
He did his job on Saturday. Some people need to understand that he's not a midfielder that's going to get forward and nick a goal and steal the headlights. Which is why he needs someone like Herrera next to him, not another DM.
And Valencia can boost the same thing. It's a shaky basis to use to make your point.
Valencia was outstanding for a few years and last season was fine. What's your point?
Mikel's bang average. A journeyman who's useful to have in the squad but Schneiderlin's better. Like, really obviously better.
Dunno what you've seen in Schneiderlin to decide he's a different type of midfielder to the Djemba twins. Surely you've seen - even in just three games - that he does a lot more than just sit in front of the back four. United games aside, did you never watch him for Southampton?
Last season he wasn't fine. He performed to a minimum level and somehow we find that an acceptable level. There's more to being a fullback than protecting a side and passing it back to the CB.
I don't understand why everybody thinks Herrera is an instant fix. He played deeper lots of times last season and struggled badly for the most part despite showing some nice touches. It was only when he was moved further forward that he started really playing well.
Don't get me wrong, I think he is class, but he is competing for one of the 3 positions occupied on Saturday by Mata, Depay and Janujaz
Don't get me wrong, I think he is class, but he is competing for one of the 3 positions occupied on Saturday by Mata, Depay and Janujaz
Well Valencia's got PFA Team of the Year on his cv. Unlike Mikel, who never even came close to being such an influential player. So there's that.
Valencia was literally our player of the season once. Come on, give him some credit.
Call Batman,things getting out of control.
He's doing great so far. Yes, I feel more comfortable seeing Schweinsteiger/Carrick on the ball but he's also not a pure destroyer. People these days demand players to be perfect at everything, the same with center backs where fans expect them to score headers, defend brilliant, show playmaker abilities like Beckenbauer and at the same time have the pace of Walcott.
Schneiderlin is doing exactly what is asked of him - protect the defence. The problem in our transition game is not down to his lack in creativity but more because the whole attack bar Mata shows absolutely no desire to work for their involvement. Januzay and Depay seem just to hang around the attack/the wings waiting for the ball to come to them and Rooney, well we've all seen his form in the past weeks. Mata, especially against Newcastle, seemed to be the only one whos dropping deeper occasionally to get involved. It says a lot when both full backs have been the best players so far this season, simply because they actually make themselves available for our CDMs with their constant forward runs. That is why I actually think an inclusion of Herrera (although I don't think he's the wonder solution for everything like some seem to think) and a 433 with Schneiderlin-Schweinsteiger/Carrick-Herrera and Depay-Rooney-Mata upfront would be the best right now. Schweinsteiger/Carrick as the deep lying playmakers, Schneiderlin to protect the defence and Herrera in an advanced role to close the gap to the attackers. With Mata dropping deeper from time to time and Depay&Rooney sticking upfront that would be the best system for the players we have right now I'd say.
Schneiderlin is doing exactly what is asked of him - protect the defence. The problem in our transition game is not down to his lack in creativity but more because the whole attack bar Mata shows absolutely no desire to work for their involvement. Januzay and Depay seem just to hang around the attack/the wings waiting for the ball to come to them and Rooney, well we've all seen his form in the past weeks. Mata, especially against Newcastle, seemed to be the only one whos dropping deeper occasionally to get involved. It says a lot when both full backs have been the best players so far this season, simply because they actually make themselves available for our CDMs with their constant forward runs. That is why I actually think an inclusion of Herrera (although I don't think he's the wonder solution for everything like some seem to think) and a 433 with Schneiderlin-Schweinsteiger/Carrick-Herrera and Depay-Rooney-Mata upfront would be the best right now. Schweinsteiger/Carrick as the deep lying playmakers, Schneiderlin to protect the defence and Herrera in an advanced role to close the gap to the attackers. With Mata dropping deeper from time to time and Depay&Rooney sticking upfront that would be the best system for the players we have right now I'd say.
I regret mentioning Mikel
It wasn't meant as an insult, I was simply referring to the fact we really have never had an out and out defensive mid. Mikel nearly was ours hence the reason why I said we got him at last.
I do like Morgan and think he will be important but as I also said I can see him being very much a 6/10 player. I seen him plenty for Southampton as well, and I really don't see him being much use in the attacking third
Those calling for Herrera to be involved with bastian and Morgan might be onto something
Mikel was a central attacking midfielder when we nearly had him right?
So, who's heading down to the Adidas store at lunchtime while Morgan's off to Belgium?
Camille Sold (Schneiderlin's GF) in Manchester Adidas store … reportedly works there
Camille Sold (Schneiderlin's GF) in Manchester Adidas store … reportedly works there
24/87 passes attempted against Newcastle were backwards, I have no idea how this is a criticism to be honest. In truth, I am actually finding it strange to see people popping up and criticising his passing (in various threads). It has been what you would expect from a defensive midfielder. He's completing at about 88%.
I have seen him on numerous occasions this season passing back as soon as he receives the ball instead of appreciating the space in front of him. Your stat does nothing to disprove that.
Worth mentioning it this is valid for all our players not just Morgan.
The other noticible thing (esp with Bastian) is that there seems to be some invisible line that the midfielders should not cross. In several situations he runs forward and goes full stop and back.
So, who's heading down to the Adidas store at lunchtime while Morgan's off to Belgium?
Camille Sold (Schneiderlin's GF) in Manchester Adidas store … reportedly works there
You'd think that WAGs wouldn't need to work anywhere, much less a sports store.
That was what the story was about in whatever paper I read it in. She's not even earning enough to cover her hotel room at the Lowrey (as if she were paying it anyway) I think it's really good that she wants to work and earn her own money.
What?! She used to be on the French version of SurvivorSo, who's heading down to the Adidas store at lunchtime while Morgan's off to Belgium?
Camille Sold (Schneiderlin's GF) in Manchester Adidas store … reportedly works there
According to the Mirror he wanted the no.8 shirt when he signed, Juan said he could have it providing he got the no.10 shirt which Rooney obviously refused. The more you know.
Rooney has no business keeping the no. 10 shirt considering the way he's been playing.
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He should just wait and take 16 when Carrick retires.
I really doubt this story. For one Morgan would be given a list of numbers he could choose from and plus I really doubt that Mata would ask the club to give him Rooney s number while Rooney is still in the team.
Pictured working in her boyfriend's Manchester United shirt, £25m Red Devils United star Morgan Schneiderlin's girlfriend is a £10-an-hour shop girl
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...neiderlin-s-girlfriend-10-hour-shop-girl.html
Morgan Schneiderlin's girlfriend Camille Sold takes job at Manchester clothing store
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...schneiderlins-girlfriend-camille-sold-9905246
These were the links re his girlfriend others are discussing above. United should probably give her a job to keep her happy just in case for the future.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...neiderlin-s-girlfriend-10-hour-shop-girl.html
Morgan Schneiderlin's girlfriend Camille Sold takes job at Manchester clothing store
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...schneiderlins-girlfriend-camille-sold-9905246
These were the links re his girlfriend others are discussing above. United should probably give her a job to keep her happy just in case for the future.
His absence made a massive difference, we looked exposed at the back throughout the first half and shades of last season where defenders/keeper are put under immense pressure.
Can't overstate enough the difference this bloke has made so far, specially at the back. Absolute beast.
Can't overstate enough the difference this bloke has made so far, specially at the back. Absolute beast.
Most important player in our side. Scary to think that he'll get better.
Agreed, Brugge were running through us at times and it showed how vital a part of our improved defense he is.
Interesting decision to rest him and give Herrera a match as a holding midfielder.
It shows that LVG isn't worried about Schneiderlin's readiness, whereas Carrick, Schweinstiger and Herrera need matches.
I look forward to seeing him against Swansea.
It shows that LVG isn't worried about Schneiderlin's readiness, whereas Carrick, Schweinstiger and Herrera need matches.
I look forward to seeing him against Swansea.
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