Moises Caicedo | Signs for Brighton

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Adnan said:
The above video was a fantastic listen and provides a lot of information. The South American football expert (Simon Edwards) is good.

It's also interesting that according to Simon Edwards, Caicedo has already amassed 25+ points which makes getting the work permit no problem. It looks like we'll be seeing more South Americans coming to England, thanks to Brexit
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Good video Adnan.

Didn't realize that the work permit rules would change so much that Championship clubs could easily sign South American youth players going forward.
 
SinNombre said:
Good video Adnan.

Didn't realize that the work permit rules would change so much that Championship clubs could easily sign South American youth players going forward.
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It was a very informative video and thanks to Brexit we could see a influx of young South Americans arrive in England and the Championship clubs could really benefit financially from it.
 
Adnan said:
The above video was a fantastic listen and provides a lot of information. The South American football expert (Simon Edwards) is good.

It's also interesting that according to Simon Edwards, Caicedo has already amassed 25+ points which makes getting the work permit no problem. It looks like we'll be seeing more South Americans coming to England, thanks to Brexit.
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He gets nowhere even close to 25+ points.

Simon Edwards is certainly not an expert on work permits anyway.
 
Adnan said:
The above video was a fantastic listen and provides a lot of information. The South American football expert (Simon Edwards) is good.

It's also interesting that according to Simon Edwards, Caicedo has already amassed 25+ points which makes getting the work permit no problem. It looks like we'll be seeing more South Americans coming to England, thanks to Brexit.
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Another example of 'when there are problems, there are opportunities.'
 
Stacks said:
Giving me Senna vibes. Don't know shit about him but that's our midfield sorted so we just need a CB now.
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I would absolutely love it if he was that sort of player but I don't see it at all.

Senna was known for his passing and a bit of a dictator but this kid looks like an all action B2B. What am I missing?
 
Tarrou said:
I would absolutely love it if he was that sort of player but I don't see it at all.

Senna was known for his passing and a bit of a dictator but this kid looks like an all action B2B. What am I missing?
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If you watch the video I posted earlier it was described by Simon Edwards that the players passing was very good.
He further added that he's never seen a player cover as much ground as Caicedo and maintain such a high pass percentage.

He also described his performances against Uruguay and Colombia as impressive . And he put in a very disciplined performance against Argentina and Lionel Messi which is very impressive.

If Edwards is correct in his assessment then I'm expecting the player to contribute in our first team once he's settled into his new surroundings and acclimatized.
 
Adnan said:


Where is he wrong?
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To be fair, there are a few replies to that tweet all agreeing with each other that it seems to work out to exactly fifteen points.

Adnan said:
If you watch the video I posted earlier it was described by Simon Edwards that the players passing was very good.
He further added that he's never seen a player cover as much ground as Caicedo and maintain such a high pass percentage.

He also described his performances against Uruguay and Colombia as impressive . And he put in a very disciplined performance against Argentina and Lionel Messi which is very impressive.

If Edwards is correct in his assessment then I'm expecting the player to contribute in our first team once he's settled into his new surroundings and acclimatized.
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Moises: (subtitled) If there is a pitch, two goals, and a ball, then I am ready to play.

(caf goes wild)
 
Adnan said:
The above video was a fantastic listen and provides a lot of information. The South American football expert (Simon Edwards) is good.

It's also interesting that according to Simon Edwards, Caicedo has already amassed 25+ points which makes getting the work permit no problem. It looks like we'll be seeing more South Americans coming to England, thanks to Brexit.
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Isn't it amazing. At one point, Premier League clubs wouldn't even look at South America and New rules have made it so easy.
I think there would be quite an influx very soon. Thanks for the share mate
 
Despite the fact he isn't a pure DM by the sounds of it I wouldn't expect us to buy any more players in that area next month.

Seems like he can pick out a pass well so maybe we would play him in a DLP type role rather than just sitting in front of the back four.
 
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croadyman said:
Despite the fact he isn't a pure DM by the sounds of it I wouldn't expect us to buy any more players in that area next month.

Seems like he can pick out a pass well so maybe we would play him in a DLP type role rather than just sitting in front of the back four.
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Next month, no, but still hope United go for Philips if Leeds go down.
 
Adnan said:
If you watch the video I posted earlier it was described by Simon Edwards that the players passing was very good.
He further added that he's never seen a player cover as much ground as Caicedo and maintain such a high pass percentage.

He also described his performances against Uruguay and Colombia as impressive . And he put in a very disciplined performance against Argentina and Lionel Messi which is very impressive.

If Edwards is correct in his assessment then I'm expecting the player to contribute in our first team once he's settled into his new surroundings and acclimatized.
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none of that really makes him sound particularly much like Senna though

and none of the clips do either, he looks like a classic box to box player
 
Kyonn said:
Next month, no, but still hope United go for Philips if Leeds go down.
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His performance did worry me on Sunday,however have also seen him play really well this season. My choice would be Zakaria if he can prove his fitness until the end of the season.
 
Adnan said:


Where is he wrong?
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Where is he wrong? Well he doesn't even list where he pulled the 25+ points from (from his ass) so I can't exactly pin point exactly where he is wrong. But sure lets take a look.

To start with his tweets.
"They were 20th a few years ago." First of all he doesn't even know where Ecuador is ranked.

"I was looking at the Venezuela ranking points." So, second he is such an expert he doesn't even know what country to look at.

Taking an actual look at how work permit points are actually calculated.

Makes reference to "all competitive internationals." So this relates to Table 1. International reference period is 24 months. Due to Ecuador's ranking he'd need 80%+ appearances in that time frame, he doesn't. So that kicks off with 0 points.

"Regular in the league" he says. So this is Table 2. Once again, Ecuador league is band 6 so he needs 80%+ of minutes to score any points. He's been available for 22 matches, that is 1,980 minutes. He played 1,519 minutes. That is only 77%. Close, but in the end... 0 points. He seems to be wrong quite often so far, referencing things that score 0 points.

"Most Libertadores games." So this is Table 3. Copa Libertadores is Band 1. He played 317 out of 540 available minutes. That is 59% for 6 points.

Lets go to Table 4. Band 6, not title winner. 0 points.

Table 5. Copa Libertadores, advanced to round of 16. 7 points

Table 6. Band of current club, band 6. 2 points

Youth international appearances, no table. Not band 1 or 2 and has none anyway. 0 points.

Table 7. First team debut in the reference period? No, made over a year ago. 0 points.

Table 8. Youth league final position. Eligible if no points from Table 4. Lets assume he has the required 30% of youth minutes. They were title winners I believe so 1 point.

"U20 Libertadores" he says. Table 9. Youth continental tournament. Only eligible if Par. 44. a) "the Youth player is not eligible for any points in accordance with par. 36 (Table 5)." He got points from table 5, so no points here. 0 points. So that is all 4 things he claimed, 3 of which give a whopping 0 points. So you ask where is he wrong? Well just about everywhere.

Lets continue.

Table 10. Quality of youth club. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points.

Table 11. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points

Let's tally that all up for..... drumroll please .... 16 points. A solid 9+ points off of 25+.

So, again you ask, "where was he wrong?" All of it. He was wrong about all of it.
 
drmuji said:
Isn't it amazing. At one point, Premier League clubs wouldn't even look at South America and New rules have made it so easy.
I think there would be quite an influx very soon. Thanks for the share mate
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We'll be looking for the next R9, Messi, Ronaldinho now..
 
croadyman said:
His performance did worry me on Sunday,however have also seen him play really well this season. My choice would be Zakaria if he can prove his fitness until the end of the season.
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Can't say I'm an expert but the few times I've watched him he looks like Fred with better passing range.
 
Kyonn said:
Can't say I'm an expert but the few times I've watched him he looks like Fred with better passing range.
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Have also seen this Koopmeiers name being thrown around too,think we would get ripped off for the likes of Rice/Ndidi
 
limerickcitykid said:
Where is he wrong? Well he doesn't even list where he pulled the 25+ points from (from his ass) so I can't exactly pin point exactly where he is wrong. But sure lets take a look.

To start with his tweets.
"They were 20th a few years ago." First of all he doesn't even know where Ecuador is ranked.

"I was looking at the Venezuela ranking points." So, second he is such an expert he doesn't even know what country to look at.

Taking an actual look at how work permit points are actually calculated.

Makes reference to "all competitive internationals." So this relates to Table 1. International reference period is 24 months. Due to Ecuador's ranking he'd need 80%+ appearances in that time frame, he doesn't. So that kicks off with 0 points.

"Regular in the league" he says. So this is Table 2. Once again, Ecuador league is band 6 so he needs 80%+ of minutes to score any points. He's been available for 22 matches, that is 1,980 minutes. He played 1,519 minutes. That is only 77%. Close, but in the end... 0 points. He seems to be wrong quite often so far, referencing things that score 0 points.

"Most Libertadores games." So this is Table 3. Copa Libertadores is Band 1. He played 317 out of 540 available minutes. That is 59% for 6 points.

Lets go to Table 4. Band 6, not title winner. 0 points.

Table 5. Copa Libertadores, advanced to round of 16. 7 points

Table 6. Band of current club, band 6. 2 points

Youth international appearances, no table. Not band 1 or 2 and has none anyway. 0 points.

Table 7. First team debut in the reference period? No, made over a year ago. 0 points.

Table 8. Youth league final position. Eligible if no points from Table 4. Lets assume he has the required 30% of youth minutes. They were title winners I believe so 1 point.

"U20 Libertadores" he says. Table 9. Youth continental tournament. Only eligible if Par. 44. a) "the Youth player is not eligible for any points in accordance with par. 36 (Table 5)." He got points from table 5, so no points here. 0 points. So that is all 4 things he claimed, 3 of which give a whopping 0 points. So you ask where is he wrong? Well just about everywhere.

Lets continue.

Table 10. Quality of youth club. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points.

Table 11. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points

Let's tally that all up for..... drumroll please .... 16 points. A solid 9+ points off of 25+.

So, again you ask, "where was he wrong?" All of it. He was wrong about all of it.
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You come across as very angry in your posts often which I find amusing but you should try and relax a little if you don't mind me saying which might possibly enhance the level of discourse/disscussion.

He doesn't claim to be a expert on anything, it's a label that is given to him by others. Whether he's right or wrong isn't something i'm gonna argue with you over because I simply couldn't care less. But thanks for giving your two cents on the subject.
 
Harry Harries said:
Why? This isn't the Ferguson winning machine of yesteryear in which there were clear and determined stars in every position. None of Fred, McTominay and Matic are undisputed starters for us, despite being in the first team for a number of years and, in the case of Fred and Matic, being bought for big money. Greenwood was our first choice for the right wing despite only being 17 and it not being his favoured position! If anything, now is exactly the right time for a young player to come in and make a position his own at United. We have enough depth that they'll be afforded rests to protect their development, but they can easily get the game time and exposure they need to hone their game playing top flight football.
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I believe Greenwood got more chance because we don't have any good player in RW position (James started bright but then faded away). And towards the tail end of last season and in the current one, he is not being provided any width by opponents for him to shoot (they have understood his ability to shoot with both foot and nullified that). Greenwood is learning better now from the likes of Cavani, but he needs to play more. But the talent is there (he showed that in EPL and not in any less competent foreign league) and hence he need to be with our team than going out on loan.

I think it will be hard for an underage kid especially from another continent to come and play in EPL (the pressure itself will be huge). That's why I think it is better to play on loan. I know that a kid can learn a great deal from established players but then again kids need to play to grow better.
 
drmuji said:
Isn't it amazing. At one point, Premier League clubs wouldn't even look at South America and New rules have made it so easy.
I think there would be quite an influx very soon. Thanks for the share mate
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English schools for Spanish speakerss will be the new cottage industry under the new Boris Britain.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Where is he wrong? Well he doesn't even list where he pulled the 25+ points from (from his ass) so I can't exactly pin point exactly where he is wrong. But sure lets take a look.

To start with his tweets.
"They were 20th a few years ago." First of all he doesn't even know where Ecuador is ranked.

"I was looking at the Venezuela ranking points." So, second he is such an expert he doesn't even know what country to look at.

Taking an actual look at how work permit points are actually calculated.

Makes reference to "all competitive internationals." So this relates to Table 1. International reference period is 24 months. Due to Ecuador's ranking he'd need 80%+ appearances in that time frame, he doesn't. So that kicks off with 0 points.

"Regular in the league" he says. So this is Table 2. Once again, Ecuador league is band 6 so he needs 80%+ of minutes to score any points. He's been available for 22 matches, that is 1,980 minutes. He played 1,519 minutes. That is only 77%. Close, but in the end... 0 points. He seems to be wrong quite often so far, referencing things that score 0 points.

"Most Libertadores games." So this is Table 3. Copa Libertadores is Band 1. He played 317 out of 540 available minutes. That is 59% for 6 points.

Lets go to Table 4. Band 6, not title winner. 0 points.

Table 5. Copa Libertadores, advanced to round of 16. 7 points

Table 6. Band of current club, band 6. 2 points

Youth international appearances, no table. Not band 1 or 2 and has none anyway. 0 points.

Table 7. First team debut in the reference period? No, made over a year ago. 0 points.

Table 8. Youth league final position. Eligible if no points from Table 4. Lets assume he has the required 30% of youth minutes. They were title winners I believe so 1 point.

"U20 Libertadores" he says. Table 9. Youth continental tournament. Only eligible if Par. 44. a) "the Youth player is not eligible for any points in accordance with par. 36 (Table 5)." He got points from table 5, so no points here. 0 points. So that is all 4 things he claimed, 3 of which give a whopping 0 points. So you ask where is he wrong? Well just about everywhere.

Lets continue.

Table 10. Quality of youth club. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points.

Table 11. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points

Let's tally that all up for..... drumroll please .... 16 points. A solid 9+ points off of 25+.

So, again you ask, "where was he wrong?" All of it. He was wrong about all of it.
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Not checked any of this but believe you have missed the Copa Sudamericana which he played in and Independiente won - equivalent of Europa League in South America.
 
prateik said:
:lol:
Imagine being a squad that had players like Makelele and Essien and someone calling Obi fecking Mikel a beast.
He was a nothing player. No amount of revisionism is going to change that.
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The user you quoted clearly said "since Makelele gone", so there's that.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Where is he wrong? Well he doesn't even list where he pulled the 25+ points from (from his ass) so I can't exactly pin point exactly where he is wrong. But sure lets take a look.

To start with his tweets.
"They were 20th a few years ago." First of all he doesn't even know where Ecuador is ranked.

"I was looking at the Venezuela ranking points." So, second he is such an expert he doesn't even know what country to look at.

Taking an actual look at how work permit points are actually calculated.

Makes reference to "all competitive internationals." So this relates to Table 1. International reference period is 24 months. Due to Ecuador's ranking he'd need 80%+ appearances in that time frame, he doesn't. So that kicks off with 0 points.

"Regular in the league" he says. So this is Table 2. Once again, Ecuador league is band 6 so he needs 80%+ of minutes to score any points. He's been available for 22 matches, that is 1,980 minutes. He played 1,519 minutes. That is only 77%. Close, but in the end... 0 points. He seems to be wrong quite often so far, referencing things that score 0 points.

"Most Libertadores games." So this is Table 3. Copa Libertadores is Band 1. He played 317 out of 540 available minutes. That is 59% for 6 points.

Lets go to Table 4. Band 6, not title winner. 0 points.

Table 5. Copa Libertadores, advanced to round of 16. 7 points

Table 6. Band of current club, band 6. 2 points

Youth international appearances, no table. Not band 1 or 2 and has none anyway. 0 points.

Table 7. First team debut in the reference period? No, made over a year ago. 0 points.

Table 8. Youth league final position. Eligible if no points from Table 4. Lets assume he has the required 30% of youth minutes. They were title winners I believe so 1 point.

"U20 Libertadores" he says. Table 9. Youth continental tournament. Only eligible if Par. 44. a) "the Youth player is not eligible for any points in accordance with par. 36 (Table 5)." He got points from table 5, so no points here. 0 points. So that is all 4 things he claimed, 3 of which give a whopping 0 points. So you ask where is he wrong? Well just about everywhere.

Lets continue.

Table 10. Quality of youth club. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points.

Table 11. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points

Let's tally that all up for..... drumroll please .... 16 points. A solid 9+ points off of 25+.

So, again you ask, "where was he wrong?" All of it. He was wrong about all of it.
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But isn’t 16 points enough for a work permit?
 
Listen! If Scrooge McDuck is good at anything, then that is Ironing out details and paperwork etc. Remember, that's what Matt Judge said to some director of Football club. Our legal team is very good, ever since Tevez and Jon flecking Obi Mikel ... Therefore, I highly doubt that united have gone for some player without thinking of legal issues. I strongly agree with @Adnan here that its very much done and dusted
 
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limerickcitykid said:
Where is he wrong? Well he doesn't even list where he pulled the 25+ points from (from his ass) so I can't exactly pin point exactly where he is wrong. But sure lets take a look.

To start with his tweets.
"They were 20th a few years ago." First of all he doesn't even know where Ecuador is ranked.

"I was looking at the Venezuela ranking points." So, second he is such an expert he doesn't even know what country to look at.

Taking an actual look at how work permit points are actually calculated.

Makes reference to "all competitive internationals." So this relates to Table 1. International reference period is 24 months. Due to Ecuador's ranking he'd need 80%+ appearances in that time frame, he doesn't. So that kicks off with 0 points.

"Regular in the league" he says. So this is Table 2. Once again, Ecuador league is band 6 so he needs 80%+ of minutes to score any points. He's been available for 22 matches, that is 1,980 minutes. He played 1,519 minutes. That is only 77%. Close, but in the end... 0 points. He seems to be wrong quite often so far, referencing things that score 0 points.

"Most Libertadores games." So this is Table 3. Copa Libertadores is Band 1. He played 317 out of 540 available minutes. That is 59% for 6 points.

Lets go to Table 4. Band 6, not title winner. 0 points.

Table 5. Copa Libertadores, advanced to round of 16. 7 points

Table 6. Band of current club, band 6. 2 points

Youth international appearances, no table. Not band 1 or 2 and has none anyway. 0 points.

Table 7. First team debut in the reference period? No, made over a year ago. 0 points.

Table 8. Youth league final position. Eligible if no points from Table 4. Lets assume he has the required 30% of youth minutes. They were title winners I believe so 1 point.

"U20 Libertadores" he says. Table 9. Youth continental tournament. Only eligible if Par. 44. a) "the Youth player is not eligible for any points in accordance with par. 36 (Table 5)." He got points from table 5, so no points here. 0 points. So that is all 4 things he claimed, 3 of which give a whopping 0 points. So you ask where is he wrong? Well just about everywhere.

Lets continue.

Table 10. Quality of youth club. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points.

Table 11. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points

Let's tally that all up for..... drumroll please .... 16 points. A solid 9+ points off of 25+.

So, again you ask, "where was he wrong?" All of it. He was wrong about all of it.
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I had to go back and see what @Adnan had said to lead to such a lengthy, patronising, schoolteacher-like reply.

Couldn't you have just said "I get the calculation to be xxxxxx"?
 
I knew they’d got it the wrong way round when reporting. The new rules are the reason we’re going for him. Am I right in thinking Amad would not get a work permit under the new rules? He needed the Italian passport so we can get him one before January?
 
limerickcitykid said:
Where is he wrong? Well he doesn't even list where he pulled the 25+ points from (from his ass) so I can't exactly pin point exactly where he is wrong. But sure lets take a look.

To start with his tweets.
"They were 20th a few years ago." First of all he doesn't even know where Ecuador is ranked.

"I was looking at the Venezuela ranking points." So, second he is such an expert he doesn't even know what country to look at.

Taking an actual look at how work permit points are actually calculated.

Makes reference to "all competitive internationals." So this relates to Table 1. International reference period is 24 months. Due to Ecuador's ranking he'd need 80%+ appearances in that time frame, he doesn't. So that kicks off with 0 points.

"Regular in the league" he says. So this is Table 2. Once again, Ecuador league is band 6 so he needs 80%+ of minutes to score any points. He's been available for 22 matches, that is 1,980 minutes. He played 1,519 minutes. That is only 77%. Close, but in the end... 0 points. He seems to be wrong quite often so far, referencing things that score 0 points.

"Most Libertadores games." So this is Table 3. Copa Libertadores is Band 1. He played 317 out of 540 available minutes. That is 59% for 6 points.

Lets go to Table 4. Band 6, not title winner. 0 points.

Table 5. Copa Libertadores, advanced to round of 16. 7 points

Table 6. Band of current club, band 6. 2 points

Youth international appearances, no table. Not band 1 or 2 and has none anyway. 0 points.

Table 7. First team debut in the reference period? No, made over a year ago. 0 points.

Table 8. Youth league final position. Eligible if no points from Table 4. Lets assume he has the required 30% of youth minutes. They were title winners I believe so 1 point.

"U20 Libertadores" he says. Table 9. Youth continental tournament. Only eligible if Par. 44. a) "the Youth player is not eligible for any points in accordance with par. 36 (Table 5)." He got points from table 5, so no points here. 0 points. So that is all 4 things he claimed, 3 of which give a whopping 0 points. So you ask where is he wrong? Well just about everywhere.

Lets continue.

Table 10. Quality of youth club. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points.

Table 11. Not eligible if points taken from Table 6. 0 points

Let's tally that all up for..... drumroll please .... 16 points. A solid 9+ points off of 25+.

So, again you ask, "where was he wrong?" All of it. He was wrong about all of it.
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I’ve just gone flaccid.

solid dissection work there fella
 
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