Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea

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Amarsdd said:
But majority of the time its:
  • Very good player signs a 5 year contract
  • Player gets progressively worse every season either due to injuries or not fitting the system or just not actually being good and was overrated
  • By season 3, they are at average or below average level, the club has signed someone else to replace him and are looking to offload him as only 2 years left on their contract
  • The club doesn't get a good enough offer to sell or the player doesn't get the wages matching or bettering their current contract
  • Player either runs down their contract sitting on the bench or sent out on loans till their contract end
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Yep, there are obvious downsides to it as we've already seen with Fofana. But I think people have refused to address any potential positive that can come from it and only focus on the negatives. With Enzo & Caicedo I'm a lot more confident in them taking the path I mentioned above and the long contracts helping us avoid that scenario.
 
gaffs said:
Felt happy about our window, but now looking at Chelsea, City and Arsenal, all three mean business.
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City cant hardly improve their squad they just maintained it. I dont think Arsenal will improve much as I don't rate neither Havertz nor Rice, not for the fees they paid at least. Chelsea on the other hand is looking extremely competitive regarding transfers. They're spending like crazy I mean now even PSG or City spent that much.

Hopefully we can match those level of ambitions under the new owners. We still have many wholes to fill to compete with the elite teams.
 
Bluelion7 said:
Their finances are “fecked” eh?

The arm of Clearlake related to investment in sporting and entertainment are always accepting new investment from vetted, non-public funds. The truly inept English media made this out as desperation looking for money for transfers; no.

Clearlake just dropped 700m on the Canary Wharf development. The are inviting in other parties to do nothing short of owning and transforming that area of London. They have vision much larger in scale than just owning Chelsea.

Their finances are fine. They are extremely smart and good with money, especially as it pertains to sporting activities and caps.

THEY found the irregularities from more than a decade ago under Abramovich. They were minor things, and the way the seizure and sale of the the club happened they have no chance of facing penalties for this, but the interesting thing is the regulatory authorities didn’t understand what was wrong even after it was shown to them… it had to be explained.

They have already set aside the first part of the 850 m related to the stadium in a special separate account.

They have their French club, and will soon have a Portugal club to start filling out their talent development umbrella.

Chelsea was already light years ahead of other PL teams in terms of making money off player development and sales… and even then Clearlake looked at it and thought it was haphazard and way underleveraged.

They have a setup to handle “flops” and the financial terms of the different contracts reflect that. They also have insurance that covers catastrophic loss (see: Fofana). I saw some people saying “well, one person gets hurt and they are broke, done!”

Doesn’t work that way.

If Chalobah and Gallagher move on this year we might even spend MORE this window… pretty easily actually.

And if they don’t work out we have the most talented young players in the world (see: Cesarean Casadei; Golden Ball winner from U21 Euros) 3 and 4 deep at every position spread out in our growing system to take those spots OR to make even more profit as we develop them Into high earning pros for other teams.

A misconception is that every one of these talents is being sold just on the idea of playing for Chelsea. No. We can sell a superior structure led by people with track records for developing young players into high earning professionals.
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Christ modern day football is depressing. Nearly everything that is wrong with the sport all wrapped up.
 
SAFMUTD said:
In that case it'd be seen as a good call from the club. But how often does that happen? I mean Chelsea is giving 8+ year contracts to almost every single signing chances are the great majority of them wont attract Madrid's interest.
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If we can agree that the majority of the young signings we've made have been bought with the intention of selling on for a profit then the same principles still apply. Using Angelo as an example, the 18 year old winger we've signed for £15m. If our intention is to send him out on a number of loans and eventually sell for more money, tying him down to a longer contract could be more beneficial than your standard 5 year deal. By the time they become more refined as a player the club will still be in a greater position of power should they try to move him on, or bring him back to the first team.

Obviously it could go the other way and they could stagnate and not improve at all, but I guess the people we've hired to find these young players are backing themselves to be correct. We've made a number of buys around the same price so it could be a case of even if 3 fail we only need 1 to work to balance it out.

The Real Madrid scenario was only for your Enzo & Caicedo types who I'm pretty sure, barring injury, will be great players.
 
£115m with £15m add-ons?

Interesting to see if the usual ghouls report it as 130m or if that's just Utd.
 
Never worth 115m plus. But, the market dictates such things.

The amount of money Chelsea have spent is insane.
 
At that fee, if he’s anything below peak Kante standards, he would be considered a failure. This could work, but with all that pressure on him, I wouldn’t be surprised if it goes sideways very quickly.
 
Redfrog said:
Yes , and the worst about it is the guy raving about it.
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Yeah, banging on about the hoarding and productisation of youth footballers as a revenue stream and the fact their club is a piece of a wider corporate property deal.Good one, they must be so proud
 
Crazy fee...

Everything will look rosy with Clearlake as long as they can roll debt over and or get more investment in. We must be burning some serious cash, even if we're complying with FFP somehow or another. Definitely be concerned market conditions could change quite considerably and then we'll be in some deep shit. Who's got their swimming trunks on if and when the tide goes out?

Kind of like how everything looked rosy under Bartomeu at Barca for a while, until it didn't.
 
Solius said:
£115m with £15m add-ons?

Interesting to see if the usual ghouls report it as 130m or if that's just Utd.
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I laughed the other day when Hojlund was reported in an article as costing 93 million haha.

United paid £64 million, but why let facts get in the way of a good headline.
 
RuudTom83 said:
I laughed the other day when Hojlund was reported in an article as costing 93 million haha.

United paid £64 million, but why let facts get in the way of a good headline.
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I saw an actual journalist report Maguire's transfer to us as £90m the other day.
 
Superb player with very high ceiling. People care way too much about the fees these days. I would very much like to sign him for that price if we had the money.
 
GledTheRed said:
Brighton are seemingly buying Carlos Baleba ro replace him, i can only presume we'll be after him next summer for 90 million.

Why is nobody else in for him at 14 million quid?
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Buy high, sell low. We muat scout players, wait until somebody else signs them then break a transfer record. No more bargains
 
Borys said:
Superb player with very high ceiling. People care way too much about the fees these days. I would very much like to sign him for that price if we had the money.
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Yeah I agree. He could still flop but I'd say it's a low risk because of the type of player that he is. He was my number 1 target for the last 12+ months after he dominated us one game in the 21/22 season and looked good in general for Brighton. If he clicks for them then they've got one hell of a midfield.
 
Borys said:
Superb player with very high ceiling. People care way too much about the fees these days. I would very much like to sign him for that price if we had the money.
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People care about football, and the fees, the wages and the rest made the football lost its soul as it’s deconnected from all of us.
If you don’t find disgusting the way Chelsea and oil clubs are doing all this things, that’s nice.
I don’t really care anymore. All their trophies are worthless.
 
Football gone mad and its going to get worse...Rice over £100 , Caicedo same Grealish same .. bloody hell not 1 of them is worth that imo.
Ceiling price of players are non existent now.... we have paid £64 million plus for a 20 Yr old prospect? How come it's now those prices..
 
Mb194dc said:
Crazy fee...

Everything will look rosy with Clearlake as long as they can roll debt over and or get more investment in. We must be burning some serious cash, even if we're complying with FFP somehow or another. Definitely be concerned market conditions could change quite considerably and then we'll be in some deep shit. Who's got their swimming trunks on if and when the tide goes out?

Kind of like how everything looked rosy under Bartomeu at Barca for a while, until it didn't.
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Don't be silly.

When the tide goes out all you see are oil barrels.

Its bloody obvious where the dry powder is coming from. This is the polar opposite of barcelona.
 
Redfrog said:
People care about football, and the fees, the wages and the rest made the football lost its soul as it’s deconnected from all of us.
If you don’t find disgusting the way Chelsea and oil clubs are doing all this things, that’s nice.
I don’t really care anymore. All their trophies are worthless.
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This happened to me a while ago in terms of "money in football" so I really don't care anymore since I have exactly 0 impact on this.
 
Hearing Liverpool still haven't removed their bid to Brighton
 
It was fun while Liverpool were involved...now he's signed...boring.

But I do like Chelsea's no sponsor shirt this season...very snazzy!
 
Fully Fledged said:
Spurs weren't selling to one of the EPL top 6 when they could sell to Bayern.
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Can't believe they wouldn't have taken £115m. They could have possibly stumped up more than that.

It is such a huge amount that I think Tottenham would have caved by the end of transfer window, even to a rival.
 
Boehly is a nut job but I'm happy the scousers got trounced. Now to get Lavia.

On a side note, I also hope Chelsea remain shite as last season and Liverpool get relegated.
 
Grinning ear to ear. Hate to lose a world class player. Delighted that we have the best owners in the world. We’ll sign a lad for £20-30m of that and repay some of Tony’s huge investment out of his own pocket hopefully.
 
UTAretro said:
Grinning ear to ear. Hate to lose a world class player. Delighted that we have the best owners in the world. We’ll sign a lad for £20-30m of that and repay some of Tony’s huge investment out of his own pocket hopefully.
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You did great job. You can laugh all the way to the bank.
 
Lecland07 said:
Can't believe they wouldn't have taken £115m. They could have possibly stumped up more than that.

It is such a huge amount that I think Tottenham would have caved by the end of transfer window, even to a rival.
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It's only £15m more to sell to Chelsea rather than Bayern though. I don't think they would sell to a rival for an extra £15m.
 


Wholesome

He really came from the bottom and now is the most expensive premier league player ever, what a ride
 
UTAretro said:
Grinning ear to ear. Hate to lose a world class player. Delighted that we have the best owners in the world. We’ll sign a lad for £20-30m of that and repay some of Tony’s huge investment out of his own pocket hopefully.
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Your club statement was really classy if you've read it. Not just talking about the player he was for Brighton but what he will go on to be, which you rarely hear from a club losing a great player.
 
Rolaholic said:




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Wholesome picture of him with his mum (I presume) in a Chelsea shirt.

England is really now in another stratosphere when it comes to financial power over the other leagues. It was there previously in the 2000's but it has never been as high as now, and you don't see it changing anytime soon.

Saudis are the only people who can give them some competition.
 
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