Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea
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With the number of Americans & Middle Eastern consortiums buying English teams across the pyramid, I don’t think we are far away from it becoming a dick measuring contest between them. Maybe one day we will also see them receiving the league trophy like the owners do in American sport
Re: Groß I assume you mean playing in the double pivot? I only ask, because Groß has been one of the most consistently high performing midfielders in the league. Here’s his FB ref from midfield and right back (either at #10 or in the double pivot):
https://fbref.com/en/players/8aec0537/Pascal-Gross
As you can see, his stats are phenomenal, he is rarely injured and can play right back, left back, and anywhere in midfield. But he isn’t a ball-winning tackler like Caicedo.
But they will be next year and amortisation would have to follow UEFA guidelines then.
We’ll be slipping into Brighton / Spurs tier in no time we can’t compete with this spending along with City , Toon, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool all able to spend 100m on a single player.
We’ve never spent that and never will under glazers or INEOS
We’ve never spent that and never will under glazers or INEOS
I would imagine they have made sure with UEFA before going this route? But who knows, the rules are clear as mud to the fans.
For the right player, we absolutely will.
Caicedo = long term Kante replacement
Enzo = long term Jorginho replacement
Lavia = long term Kova replacement
When you look at it like that it doesn’t seem so insane. We’ve sold or let go of 4 CM’s over the last 12 months. If Lavia comes in we’ll almost surely be selling Gallagher, too. So losing 5 and signing 3 isn’t that bonkers.
The money spent IS bonkers, of course.
No chance , Caciedo is an open goal for Utd , reportedly his dream was to play for us and a big fan. If we put down 115m he’d be in our shirt by now.
We need. Top class striker if you put 120m down for Kane he’d be playing for us now.
Instead we are sweating over 30m for Pavard and need Maguire to be sold to do it.
We are a legacy old school club operating like the football world hasn’t moved on from 5 years ago. There have been disruptors in the market and we would not and can not respond as we don’t have the facility or capability to do so.
Even if we had the cash the negotiation team isn’t capable of pulling off the deal at all, not quick enough to respond to the likes of Liverpool or Chelsea.
We’re miles behind
Apart from Chelsea, i dont see any other team spending that lavishly.
Chelsea spending in last year has been insane though.
Whatever about Chelsea making their midfield even stronger, this has been comically embarrassing for Liverpool and wonderful as a result 
No one in the history of the Premier League has ever spent this much on a player.
We have spent over 75 at least 4 times.
One funny thing that came out of this transfer is that everyone know Liverpool has 110m allocated for a midfielder. They should brace themselves for some weird evaluations in next few weeks
World gone mad
McTominay, 109m£.
Just this window Arsenal 105 m on Rice and city 80m on a depth player Gvardiol
It’s becoming common place the 100m player
What was the Liverpool deal? because this tweet makes the Chelsea deal make even less sense to me..
Somehow Chelsea offered Brighton an even better deal than the one Liverpool got. Why didnt Chelsea just say "Hey Caicedo doesn't wanna go there, whatever you accepted from Liverpool we will do that".
Even as a Man Utd fan, if I'm a young star player and offered the choice of Liverpool under Klopp or Chelsea under whoever, I'm picking Liverpool every time unless the financial difference is huge. Assuming I believe in myself I'm only 25 at the end of a 5 year contract and can sail off to Madrid or whatever at that point. You don't actually have to live in Liverpool!
That said, this is great for us. Liverpool have basically no midfield screening force whatsoever. Klippity Klopp will have to invest in a different probably inferior player now, and overpay as they are desperate.
That said, this is great for us. Liverpool have basically no midfield screening force whatsoever. Klippity Klopp will have to invest in a different probably inferior player now, and overpay as they are desperate.
That is now what three 100M+ pound players in the Chelsea team? Don't think even PSG or Madrid have managed that?
I mean... Brighton never accepted any Chelsea deal at any point before. They could have rejected anything below the Liverpool one (And Chelsea might not be privy the exact structure of that competing bid) on very reasonable grounds.
I guess CFC could have hardballed to a lower offer and have Caicedo go full agitation to force Brighton's hand, but considering how much business they're doing with them it's maybe not the best idea to burn bridges.
We were never going to sign Caicedo while Casemiro is still at his current level. The timing simply wasn't right.
Yes, Kane was definitely a player we needed and the club obviously enquired about him but clearly got the message that it was a non-starter.
We have paid huge money for various players in recent years. I'm not sure I understand your argument.
Around £111m with no mention of ad ons. But, it seems like chelsea based of Ornstein offered higher base than liverpool. Then there are other reports that some of the adds on will unlikely be met and that the figure will be closer to around what they paid for Enzo. I agree it won’t make sense if chelsea end up paying significantly more, but i am sure the structure of the deal will reveal the true cost. I doubt caicedo will end up becoming the most expensive midfielder
I'm sure Caicedo would probably do the same given the choice but if I had to guess, the financial package was actually much different. Liverpool don't pay that well anyways unless your name is Klopp or Salah and then Chelsea are offering a 8/9 year deal. That's not to mention Chelsea is also based in London too. So on paper, Chelsea's deal was always much more enticing.
Lets see if Moises snubs to pool to divide the Red Sea to snub the
I really don't know what point your trying to make other than the obvious. We don't have the money to sit at that table unless the Qataris win.
We’ll finish ahead of Chelsea this season.
He's going to be fantastic next to Enzo, but they really need to figure out where the creativity will come from because I wouldn't assume Nkunku will contribute much at all this year and they don't really have any creators in attack.
Boehly's project will crash and burn. Their finances are fecked. The squad isn't even that good for the all the insane spending and this 'clever' 8 year contract nonsense. The fact that they've included a sell-on clause in a £115m deal is absolute madness. The whole thing is bizarre in the extreme.
Insane post and such a immature way to view transfers.
We regularly break transfer records. Just because we've been outspent this summer doesn't mean we don't have the means to do so. We're just not mad enough to drop £115m on a DM.
Also top transfer fees don't guarantee success.
One thing people seem to forget is a 8-10 years contract means if the players arent up to expectations, they cant be let go if they dont want to and other clubs will often exploit this by lowballing. But if a player is doing very well theyll have so much power than they can just kickup a fuss and the club will have no choice but to sell rather than having a valuable asset rotting on the bench. It really is a stupid strategy. Usually you try to find a middle ground in a contract but Chelsea seems to favor players more than themselves.
So did they do that American thing last season? "Tanking." Where they basically give up to earn more advantageous draft picks etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanking_(sports)
Miss out entirely on UEFA competitions, avoid their rules for a season, go mental on transfers and hope it pays off with consistent trophies, Europe and higher sponsorships?
What’s REALLY weird about the sell on clause though …. If he does SO well that the elite of elite are going to try and buy him… who would that be?
Madrid has been Tampering and having players run down contracts because they simply do t have the funds relative to other teams that used to.
Bayern doesnt go in that heavy on midfielders.
Barcelona … let’s all take a moment to laugh…
It would have to be a Premiere League team. But if he’s playing THAT well, then chances are we are at or near the top of the pile there, people love London, and they generally love Cobham.
So … again… sell to who?
They've definitely overpaid for Enzo and Caicedo but they now got top quality in midfield for years. Specially with those long contracts.
Will Klopp come out and advocate his 100m quote again?
Hmmm I think Santos takes that Kova spot. So … let the competition begin.
Poch doesn’t play a straight 3 across and I don’t see Lavia playing farther forward, which I’ve seen Santos do in tourneys.
A kudus seems a better fit there for me, but I guess we will see.
You know
… forget amortization, FFP dropped the 3 yr avg and only applies to the season you’re currently in now. Is Chelsea bound by FFP this year at all?
By the same logic though surely you're fecked next season?
You've sold players like Mount, Havertz, Kova and Kante, you don't really have any big money sales left from squad players. James, Colwil, Enzo are the ones that would get money, but not for sale. The rest are squad ish players that if they do well you'd want to keep, and if they don't do well their value won't be very high.
That's only half information. Chelsea also signed players last season and before that. The amortized contracts from 2022, 2021, 2020 and before that will be added too.
Does anyone have the equivalent figures for United? I wonder why we're being so much more hamstrung than Chelsea.
Can someone check on @Dumbstar
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