Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea

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Sandikan said:
Because some geniuses think 30 is some instant drop off so start talking what might happen in 3 yearsm
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Exactly, things change very quickly in football. People are in fantasy land if they think club don't have sign a player because they sign a 21 year old player.

The team that won them all had lot of players in their late 20s.
Ederson - 29
Rodri - 27
Haaland - 23
KdB - 32
Gundogan - 32
Akanki - 28
B Silva - 29
Grealish - 27
Dias - 26
Walker - 33
Mahrez - 32
Ake - 28
Stones - 29
Foden - 23
 
Highfather_24 said:
Mount will be 27, in his prime. God knows, if he's gonna hit it off here.

Mainoo is also a question mark, because there are doubts about his injury problems, and because we have hardly seen him play in the PL.

The "another" shows that we still have some ways to go, our midfield still needs a lot of work. FdJ next summer? :nervous:



Very true, but its good squad planning.
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Wait a minute. Buying a whole new central midfield is not good squad planning. Buying young is not the only thing right? That amount of change is not good obviously. While Fabinho and Henderson leaving came out of nowhere, most people would have said they needed replacing anyway. Actually how they've let their midfield get to this is an example of poor squad building. For example they've bought 4 attackers before buying midfielders. Hence this splashing to get a new midfield

Agree for Arsenal, but don't forget there's as many questions on Havertz as on Mount, if not more.
 
Is it a typo and they've put an extra digit in there?

They basically gone and bought Brighton's midfield, a team that finished below them and miles off top 4.
 
Conor said:
And who, pray tell, do we play up top then? Get Weghorst back?
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Loan whoever for half a season and then get Toney, for example. It's not like Hojlund is expected to hit the ground running in the first season. All I'm saying is we had options and could take different strategies. If you spend 200m+ in one window than you can't complain about not being able to afford X player IMO. It's a matter of how you want to build your squad.

I'm OK with the choices ETH/club made, there was no scenario in which we are title contenders even if we used the whole budget for Kane.
 
Imagine United spending sort of money, the media would be having a field day.
 
I love the narrative of so called journos when Liv get absolutely rinsed for £110m for a good but not world class player. All of a sudden they are back competing for the title with City! We all know how this would be reported if Utd had done this: 'paid way too much', 'unproven at the highest level', 'will struggle with the price burden' etc etc.
 
Devastated. We needed him didn't we?

If he hits the ground running, and if he turns into the best midfielder in the world, and if Mac Allister does the same, and if that other bloke does the same, and Liverpool's defense becomes good again, and their older players like Salah don't have a dip in quality, AND United's defense suddenly turns shite, and our new signings turn out to be shite, and our older players turn to dust... Then it's pretty clear that we've fecked up here and Liverpool will challenge City for the title and we'll be lucky not to get relegated.
 
roonster09 said:
For some reason having players at their peak age is made out to be problem.
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Yeah, I never said that, so you're debating with something you made up.

The "problem"(if you wanna call it that) is not about this season, the video was about our squad composition 3 years down the line. Our squad is definitely healthier than last season, but there is still a lot of scope of improvement age profile wise. Just compare our midfielders age to Arsenal/Liverpool's, and you will get the idea.

Nobody's saying its the end of the world. We can have a bit of nuance between "everything's hunky dory" and "its all doom and gloom".
 
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pascell said:
We've been trying to transform it the last 10+ years, even SAF even had Giggs playing CM. Look at the list of CMs we've bought the last 10+ years, how many have stuck and performed as expected?
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Huh? What's SAF or any of the last 10 yrs signings have to do with what ETH/Murtough are doing? If anything it's those disastrous signings that makes their job that much harder.
 
Harry190 said:
He's a Kante level player. He improves their midfield tremendously.
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Only because they have no other midfielder for that role in the squad.

100m for him is still madness, but Brighton had no need to sell unless they got a huge offer, they're laughing all the way to the bank.

Hope he's a massive flop.
 
Highfather_24 said:
This is why Casemiro was always a panic-short term buy.

Brilliant player, probably our best player last season, immense leader. But its only downhill from here, and by end of next season we need to replace him. We spend 70M on him, while our rivals got their future DM sorted for the next 10 years with Rice and Caicedo for a bit more.

I dont wanna pin all my hopes on Kobee Mainoo. I remember how when we were about to sign RvP, a lot of folks said he wasnt needed because he would block the development of Welbeck and Hernandez. Academy players are always a gamble.
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Casemiro is only 31 and doesn't rely on pace. He has a few years left at the top IMO. Weird to dig out one of our most successful signings in recent years because the scouse have brought in someone who did well last season.
 
Is Caicedo worth 111? Wow football money has gone crazy. McTominay must be worth 60 million at least.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Devastated. We needed him didn't we?

If he hits the ground running, and if he turns into the best midfielder in the world, and if Mac Allister does the same, and if that other bloke does the same, and Liverpool's defense becomes good again, and their older players like Salah don't have a dip in quality, AND United's defense suddenly turns shite, and our new signings turn out to be shite, and our older players turn to dust... Then it's pretty clear that we've fecked up here and Liverpool will challenge City for the title and we'll be lucky not to get relegated.
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I think you have it the other way around. Quite clearly City will hope to challenge Liverpool for the title.
 
Borys said:
I can agree Casemiro is a better player but he is and will be declining while Caicedo has a few years from reaching his prime. Same way as we paid over the odds for Hojlund - not because he's worth that money now, but he might be in some time. The difference is Caicedo has already been one of the best DMs in the league.
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We paid over the odds because the striker market is not that good. Yes, Caicedo is younger, but there are no guarantees in football. He might become great or he might end up shit.

The market for a DM is nowhere near as bad as a striker that you need to spend that amount, especially on a DM who only has one really good season under the belt.
 
mav_9me said:
Wait a minute. Buying a whole new central midfield is not good squad planning. Buying young is not the only thing right? That amount of change is not good obviously. While Fabinho and Henderson leaving came out of nowhere, most people would have said they needed replacing anyway. Actually how they've let their midfield get to this is an example of poor squad building. For example they've bought 4 attackers before buying midfielders. Hence this splashing to get a new midfield

Agree for Arsenal, but don't forget there's as many questions on Havertz as on Mount, if not more.
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Agreed.

But then again, if we go through with Amrabat, we have also got 4 new CMs in the last couple of seasons(Eriksen, Casemiro, Mount, Amrabat).

Also, Caicedo-McAllister are used to playing with each other, so there's not really a huge change either. I'm not calling Liverpool's transfer strategy perfect tbh, so we agree on most of what you said.
 
Is it fair to say Liverpool have had a better window than us? They’ve got rid of deadwood, signed 3 midfielders who’d all get in to our team. With Kane off to Bayern as well whilst we pin all our hopes on an unproven youngster, it’s not looking like that good a window now.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Yeah, I never said that, so you're debating with something you made up.

The "problem"(if you wanna call it that) is not about this season, the video was about our squad composition 3 years down the line. Our squad is definitely healthier than last season, but there is still a lot of scope of improvement age profile wise. Just compare our midfielders age to Arsenal/Liverpool's, and you will get the idea.

Nobody's saying its the end of the world. We can have a bit of nuance between "everything's hunky dory" and "its all doom and gloom".
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Just check the City squad I posted few posts above, except 1-2 players, everyone in their mid and late 20s with KdB 32.

Football transfers don't stop after this window, every club will sign players next season and season after that. How we look 3 years down the line also depends on how we are doing now. We have right mix of youth, peak and experience.

It's weird to worry about how we look 3 years down the line when our oldest outfield player is Casemiro who is just 31 and overall we have just 3 players who are 30+, 31,31,30.
 
rajds89 said:
Is it fair to say Liverpool have had a better window than us? They’ve got rid of deadwood, signed 3 midfielders who’d all get in to our team. With Kane off to Bayern as well whilst we pin all our hopes on an unproven youngster, it’s not looking like that good a window now.
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Do they?
 
Highfather_24 said:
Agreed.

But then again, if we go through with Amrabat, we have also got 4 new CMs in the last couple of seasons(Eriksen, Casemiro, Mount, Amrabat).

Also, Caicedo-McAllister are used to playing with each other, so there's not really a huge change either. I'm not calling Liverpool's transfer strategy perfect tbh, so we agree on most of what you said.
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We mostly agree.

Even on this 4 new CMs, again that's an indictment on our pervious business, like this is an indictment on Liverpool for letting their midfield get to this.
 
Great news.

Will finally stop Kloppity moaning about how much other teams are spending.

That is until they concede an equaliser against Luton in the 17th minute of injury time and that becomes his new hobby horse.
 
red.knight said:
Caicedo is a freaking beast. United had been dancing for Gakpo for the whole January. Liverpool then swooped in last minute and hijacked him. Chelsea had been dancing for Caicedo for the whole summer. Liverpool then swooped in last minute and hijacked him. Liverpool midfield and attack is one of the best in the league now. They are now definitely challenging for the premier league title. I’m angry and sad.

We struggled to replace Casemiro when he has been missing last season and Eriksen legs are gone after his injury. Both Casemiro and Eriksren will be 32 soon. We shouldn’t be relying upon them for the whole season. We need to sign Tchouameni this summer at any cost.
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Panic is entertaining, even if it clouds the memory. Nothing in January pointed towards Liverpool ‘hi-jacking’ a United move on Gakpo. Rather, United not valuing according to Gakpo to what PSV wanted. United will not be relying on Eriksen this season. Casemiro and Mount will be first pick and we will have Eriksen and likely Amrabat as back ups.

What some people fail to acknowledge, is that building a new team for a manager is very different to rebuilding under an old manager. Klopp has already built a successful team (spending loads and taking time), he only needs to replace one or two per season, and can sell players coming from success - this allows for being more choosy and spending more per player, and leaving fewer holes. Ten Hag hd ten positions to improve coming to a non-successful team, you can’t spend 110m for one player then without leaving huge gaps in the team.

Rebuilding a team is much more than buing new players, though. Very few managers can do it, even when supported. Players tire of the relation, styles are found out, new solutions don’t work as anticipates. Klopp is one of the best of a generation, so can probably do it, but it’s no sure thing.

United were always going to have to build long and slow after the chaotic Woodward regime. Højlund will probably suit Ten Hagten times better than Galpo would have, but it will take time. Regardless, United were better than Liverpool in all competitions last year.
 
rajds89 said:
Is it fair to say Liverpool have had a better window than us? They’ve got rid of deadwood, signed 3 midfielders who’d all get in to our team. With Kane off to Bayern as well whilst we pin all our hopes on an unproven youngster, it’s not looking like that good a window now.
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Haha.

Also we could clearly have gotten McAllister if we wanted. We chose Mount.

I am more than happy with our window. We had too much overhaul to do to pay 110m£ for one CM.

We are at a different stage of building the squad. Can't compare to Liverpool or city or Arsenal
 
mav_9me said:
Huh? What's SAF or any of the last 10 yrs signings have to do with what ETH/Murtough are doing? If anything it's those disastrous signings that makes their job that much harder.
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The fact we've been trying to sort out midfield out for 10+ years and still are. Murtough has also played his hand in those disastrous signings too.
 
Harry190 said:
He's a Kante level player. He improves their midfield tremendously.
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He’s not a Kante level player until he proves he’s at Kante’s level and he’s proven nothing yet after just one good season for Brighton. Would some people stop with the hyperbole?
 
Duane Dibley said:
Great news.

Will finally stop Kloppity moaning about how much other teams are spending.

That is until they concede an equaliser against Luton in the 17th minute of injury time and that becomes his new hobby horse.
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Is this a thing? I've genuinely not noticed (other than one quote from years ago).
 
I do admire Liverpool's ability to storm in and do a deal in seemingly hours. They did it with Konate, with Nunez, with Gakpo, now with Caicedo.
 
rajds89 said:
Is it fair to say Liverpool have had a better window than us? They’ve got rid of deadwood, signed 3 midfielders who’d all get in to our team. With Kane off to Bayern as well whilst we pin all our hopes on an unproven youngster, it’s not looking like that good a window now.
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We weren’t even involved in this transfer and stole a midfielder off them that Klopp wanted as first choice.
Calm down, there’s Chelsea fans shitting themselves less this morning than you lot
 
I don’t understand the “this makes the Casemiro signing shit” argument. People seem to operate in a little bubble as if footballers are robots and computers who follow an algorithm without deviation. A year ago we were a club with a squad without winners, no proper leaders, no confidence, no mental resilience and coming off a decade of chaos. Casemiro wasn’t just a key target because he was a good midfielder. He was a key target because he was a good midfielder and came with a huge amount of experience and mentality to help start the process of rebuilding the culture within our team. Simply incomparable situation.
 
kaku06 said:
He’s not a Kante level player until he proves he’s at Kante’s level and he’s proven nothing yet after just one good season for Brighton. Would some people stop with the hyperbole?
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Agree. 1 good season doesn’t make you a 130m player, not matter what. Im just so glad Bellingham didn’t want to go to Liverpool, I’d be much more concerned if they spent this money on him and their fans would have much preferred him also.
 
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