Right so all your players can play multiple positions but mine can't? Ramires also has the qualities to play the role he's tasked to here.
Modern Draft R1: 2mufc0 vs. Moby
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Like I've explained a few times, and if you ever watched us play in the mid 00s you'd know that we always had one winger who would be involved more in midfield while the other went forward and turned us into a 4-3-3ish attack. When Giggs and Ronaldo played, it was Giggs. In the CL final, it was Hargreaves. It is that role Di Maria has here, where he will be more the supplier and not the one hugging the touchline, and often joining the midfield.
There are plenty of configurations where Di Maria's left midfield role would be beneficial to the team. Him coming inside can allow Koke to go outside on his favoured flank, or or similarly Rooney can occupy that side while someone like Saul supports the attack down the middle. And there is Asamoah, who would easily provide the width when he comes inside.
It's a role that mirrors his performances at Madrid. he wasn't a central midfielder in that team, he pretty much provided width when needed. Heck, just watch this. This is the reason he's known around the world for the most.
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I agree, Van Dijk is the best centerback on the pitch but i also think Sanchez is the worst our of the four. All and all their defences are on a very similar level, only difference is that moby has Mbappe up front that can do magic on his own while Falcao is much more depended on service and given the fact i see moby dominating the midfield the amount of service he could get might not be enough, specially compared to what Mbappe could do on the other side, on his own and through team play.
Can you be a little specific and provide some evidence if possible. Do you disagree with Rooney having played both up front and on the left, or Di Maria having played out wide and in the middle? Or Saul having played as a DM or as a shooter behind the forwards? You haven't provided anything similar in your tactics, for me to even deny it as you seem to accuse.
There's a clear plan in picking those players, and they were to emulate a team that was fluid and free flowing. The wingers mirror the responsibilities of those teams. Rooney started up front with Ronaldo on the right vs Wigan on Oct 6, 2007. For Ronaldo's goal, Pique played it out wide to Rooney on the left, who squared it to Ronaldo in the middle who tapped it in. I have countless examples like that, as would anyone who watched us play. I cannot show all of that on one image, in fact I have had to use GIFs before to show that, but since players are well known I expect them to realise the versatility and fluidity that is an overall theme here.
Completely disagree about Ramires, sorry and its not the same situation at all. Any team with him as one of the two man in the middle, esp the deepest one against the opposition's best player right in the same area, and one of the calibre of Wayne Rooney at his physical peak, is asking for trouble. It's such a critical area that cannot be afforded to be left open like that.
Disagree on Sanchez being the worst.. I don’t think he’s any worse than Laporte
Edit: Think this is again down to personal preference
Sorry but i just read your OP again and you didnt mention once how Di Maria would play more like a midfielder then like a winger, in fact you mentioned few time he is a flying winger and that version i dont rate, ok if you do. Watched that whole clip and it was classic Di Maria, whenever he was up on the wing he lost 90% of the possessions but yeah, great run for the goal. Even in that clip you see how much better he is when he played deeper or more tucked in to the midfield.
No mentioning in the OP, portaited as a winger in tactics, no arrows....we cant read your mind.
As for the defenses, the worst defender on the pitch is Riccardo Rodriguez and he's facing a quality winger in this pool, who showed just yesterday despite his penalty miss how Robertson, someone lightning quick and a better defender than Rodriguez could not handle him.
Especially during a quick break, there will be wide open spaces behind Rodriguez for both Mahrez and Mbappe to run into, and that is one of the easiest routes to goal for me.
Let's not just compare central defenders here? Both my fullbacks are part of highly successful teams. Zabaleta was one the key fixtures in the City team that has dominated PL for the last decade, both in attack when overlapping as well as in defense in terms of 1v1s. He is the most accomplished defender on the pitch.
Asamoah has 6 league wins to his name as well as a CL runners up spot, far bigger body of work at the top level, a physical specimen who could easily mark an opponent as well as a tireless presence on the flank.
In a match where both teams have gone with wingers, fullbacks are incredibly important and I am gonna have Zabaleta and Mahrez go 2v1 vs Rodriguez in this match, and create ample opportunities from that side.
Especially during a quick break, there will be wide open spaces behind Rodriguez for both Mahrez and Mbappe to run into, and that is one of the easiest routes to goal for me.
Let's not just compare central defenders here? Both my fullbacks are part of highly successful teams. Zabaleta was one the key fixtures in the City team that has dominated PL for the last decade, both in attack when overlapping as well as in defense in terms of 1v1s. He is the most accomplished defender on the pitch.
Asamoah has 6 league wins to his name as well as a CL runners up spot, far bigger body of work at the top level, a physical specimen who could easily mark an opponent as well as a tireless presence on the flank.
In a match where both teams have gone with wingers, fullbacks are incredibly important and I am gonna have Zabaleta and Mahrez go 2v1 vs Rodriguez in this match, and create ample opportunities from that side.
Yeah I have cleared it up now.
Not that i rate Romagnoli as something special but you cant judge a player for where he plays, specially italians...i mean just look at Bonucci example, guy was a top 3 defender in the world at the time and he joined that same fecking shithole of a club that is AC Milan. Reckon they are comfortable at home and they still take pride in playing for those big clubs even though in the current state those clubs are nowhere near good enough for competing at highest level.
With the right service i can see Falcao getting the better of both, but i dont think he would get enough chances as i can see moby dominating the game so on the basis who will get the most against other, id back Mbappe against your defence backed with a dominating team against a Falcao against his lot backed with a team that will defend for most of the time and attack sporadically.
Too much energy and technical ability in Moby midfield and attack. Pairing Koke and Saul with that version of Rooney edges it for me. Mahrez, Mbappe and Di Maria also help.
Not the biggest fan of his CB pairing, but midfield and attack look great.
Not the biggest fan of his CB pairing, but midfield and attack look great.
Did he not score 4 goals last night playing in a similar front two set up with Neymar after Kimpembe got sent off?
Both front twos look great.
I agree that he played his best football in that LCM role that Ancelotti carved out for him, but I think he's a fine surrogate for Giggs in Moby's Utd 2006-08 based setup. Giggs played a similar hybrid role and shared much of the same strengths and relative weaknesses.
Mahrez is going to murder Rodriguez on the otherhand, asamoah as a lb?
Hard one to split. Prefer Moby's midfield balance, but fancy 2mufc0's attack (rate peak Falcao here - what a beast) to get the better of quite a green central defensive pair.
Cheers, that's very much the idea behind it all. FWIW I very much doubt ADM would get a great appreciation in a 4-3-3 as some wouldn't consider him a proper CM so I believe this is a rather solid compromise between those two specific roles allowing him to choose his hot-spots.
Yea, the LB/MF from Juve.
I appreciate peak Falcao, he was fantastic and I am not going to pretend that my CBs on their own would control him. While Romagnoli is a bit fresh even if rated as one of the most promising defenders in the league, I'd definitely back Laporte's anticipation and composure that would be key against a player like Greizmann.
However as you rightly point out, the balance of that midfield is absolutely key to the game. A lighter CB pair with a massive engine in front of them - and there are four players in Saul, Koke, Di Maria and Rooney who'd leave little grass on the field when they are done - is more likely to be able to defend against a stronger attack as opposed to a better CB pair in VVD and Sanchez but still not good enough to handle that strike duo (with that midfield as the platform) and also having a lightweight DM like Ramires trying to shield them. It's such a key area to leave open and can just be really decisive here.
Isnt he a LWB and not a LB? Started off as a mid and was converted to a LWB in a back five from what I remember.
Some juve fan or watcher can probably confirm @giorno
He's played there in that formation as they played 5 at the back, and I needed an attacking fullback here similar to what we had during mid-00s in Patrice Evra. My team is quite attacking and I have intentionally gone for two fullbacks who can attack well. Especially on ADMs side to allow him to go central if needed. Plus, Romagnoli is adept at both CB and LB, making him a good fit to cover for that area when Asamoah goes forward.
http://www.espn.in/football/soccer-...-backing-with-skriniar-romagnoli-buys-sources
We might just have the "next Alessandro Nesta" playing in our colors soon.
We might just have the "next Alessandro Nesta" playing in our colors soon.
Thing is evra is excellent defensively, I am not sure how good asamoah is as he is a converted CM and obviously flaws are a lot easier to hide in a back five than a back four.
Still rodriguez is the worse defender on the pitch(against the best winger) and I love the rooney-mbappe combo.
I don't buy this whole ADM 'is now playing his RM role'
but fair enough if I was in your shoes I would latch onto the same thing. And no matter how much you sugarcoat it that defence is a train wreck, the only one I rate is Zabaleta the rest are trash.
Also it really isn't consistent that Ramires is getting singled out for playing in a role he normally didn't while Koke is getting a pass for playing cm In a midfield two which he's never done.
Asamoah? He was a CM converted into a LWB/LB. He's excellent, I'm a big fan
Would disagree about Rooney having a higher peak than Falcao, Fergie never trusted him to be the main man in any of his teams. Although he's a top scorer for United and England it's only because of the longevity, and never did anything noteworthy for England, so bringing his international career up is strange.
Which Falcao are you thinking of? Peak Falcao was a force of nature never was reliant on service and could make goals out of nothing. Even his post injury he shows glimpses of it like this :
But his primary role was to get down the wing and get the crosses in, I see very little similarities in real madrids 433 and Moby's 442 here..
never said he cant do it on his own, just compared to Mbappe and that sort of strikers he isnt anything special in that particular department even though he is capable of moments of magic.
I'm actually quite surprised the reception Mbappe is getting here tbh, seems like he is getting the Ronaldo ratings in all time drafts. Although he had a great world cup he still has it all to prove, on domestic level he's been playing in a weak league and flopped against Madrid in the CL last year. He's nowhere near the level of Falcao or the other established attackers in the pool.
Kid is amazing, its actually scary how good he already is. One thing is certain, if my life depended on one game/tournament/season id want Kylian Mbappe to be in that team out of all the players in this pool.
I don't think he's better than Mbappe. At his peak he was probably only behind Messi and Ronaldo, while Mbappe is still fairly green although he's obviously a fantastic player. Personally I'd say it's Rooney who actually swings things slightly in favour of Moby. He's had what is close to a full career and it's much clearer to see what he can bring to the table.
Rodriguez is getting a bit of a rough deal here. Don't think he's so bad that he's made out or even worse defensively than Moby's LB.
Like both teams - top work as always.
Moby seems to have better midfield, 2mufc0 takes the defence, whilst the attacks are up to personal preference. I'd probably take Griezmann and Mbappe out of the four.
At the end I think Ramires is who I'd probably pin down as a main culprit in 2mufc0 side. A more disciplined DM/defensive B2B and would've got my vote.
Like both teams - top work as always.
Moby seems to have better midfield, 2mufc0 takes the defence, whilst the attacks are up to personal preference. I'd probably take Griezmann and Mbappe out of the four.
At the end I think Ramires is who I'd probably pin down as a main culprit in 2mufc0 side. A more disciplined DM/defensive B2B and would've got my vote.
That's just bs, frankly. He was our main man for a few seasons between Ronaldo's exit and Van Persie's signing, and his 2009/10 form was simply breathtaking.
Won't comment on the first sentence as I think it's a fair comparison between those two.
He spent 13 years and only few seasons where he was the top man we won nothing. Imo Rooney is a United legend but he’s not in the upper tiers of players to lead teams, he’s a great team worker and will enable better players to take the lead. The only season where he was truly elite was 09 out of 13 years that’s hugely inconsistent.
Maybe things would have been different if he didn’t get that ankle injury against Bayern, but most people will say he never lived up to his potential.
Fair enough, I always rated Ramires but doesn’t look like anyone rates him here
he was a top player for Chelsea and was fantastic in that hit and run CL semi against Barca. But yeah in hindsight someone like Matuidi would have been better.Rooney’s greatness comes by seamlessly fitting into any setup and enabling other players to shine. He is the perfect support cast even in an all time context. Shame he doesn’t get picked more often
I would agree with that, that’s why I said he’s a top enabler and team worker, but you can’t put him in the tier of elite players.
That’s a different argument. What you said before was simply a lie
Yeah, agree with this. He's obviously much better going forward, and perhaps in an all-time pool he'd look defensively well out of his depth, but he's not that bad within this pool.
He's rather susceptible at the back to be honest. I had him in my shortlist, but a bit lower once I decided with the formation. Even though I had Di Maria would usually help out his fullback.
Here, he is against a double tandem of Mahrez and Zabaleta, the latter showed during his City days what an absolute force he was down the flank overlapping and constantly made a huge difference. The two of them would give most fullbacks nightmares, and here that was a big advantage for me. I actually underplayed that a bit, as in reality I can just overload the flank for long spells and get fruitful results. There's even Mbappe during quick breaks who would dart into that space, and the CM to help being Ramires doesn't add a whole lot. Overall, it would definitely an area of joy for my team.
I'm really surprised you rate him as a top player and I don't think I've ever had anyone rate him that highly. He was bang average at best for Chelsea, usually had a lot of stamina and covered a lot of ground but apart from that he never made a telling difference on either end of the pitch.Fair enough, I always rated Ramires but doesn’t look like anyone rates him here
Matuidi is at least a tier or two above him and has played with Verratti as well, would have been a lot better midfield without doubt.
Anyway, good game @2mufc0 . Good team and really loved that front two as soon as you picked them.
Congrats Moby.