Modern Draft Final: Don Alfredo vs. Enigma/TRV

Who will win this match


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Don Alfredo—————————- Vs.————————————— Enigma/TRV

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Write-up Don Alfredo

The best midfielder in Bundesliga enters the midfield, next to the best midfielder of Serie A and the best midfielder of the PL. I have completed my side with the last piece of the puzzle and now it boosts world class quality in every single position. I maintain my attacking shape, with technically excellent players everywhere to play some beautiful football. My defense is the best in the draft and that is the reason why my attackers have the perfect platform to express themselves. My midfield especially is great for complementing my attack, they have all the skills in the world, but they know perfectly when to pass the ball to set up my attackers. To play attacking football, having three excellent ball-players is much better than simply having a destroyer who is useless in possession and will slow everything down.

My defensive line is balanced and I don’t want any of this talk of Mbappe being too fast because with that argument, he should score every game. The truth is, he met Godin once and had 0 goals 0 assists. My fullbacks are perfect choices for dealing with Enigma’s wingers and Godin-Boateng is the best CB duo in the draft. Godin’s ability to organize a defense comes very handy and together with my tireless midfield, I can easily manage defensive transitions to go into a compact shape.

Regarding Enigma’s side, I have to say that his midfield is seriously unbalanced. When Kroos has no holding midfielder next to him, the whole team struggles badly. Just look at Germany at the 2018 World Cup, where Khedira played the same role as Kante (dynamic ball winner all over the pitch, little quality on the ball, not press resistant). The balance of the whole team was destroyed and that was the ultimate downfall.

Similar can be said of the occasions when Kante plays next to someone like Kroos in a double pivot. Kante-Fabregas has been seriously unbalanced last season for Chelsea and their season was terrible because they lacked a great holding midfielder to give balance to the side.

Why I will win

1) Best defense in the draft

2) Neymar and Nani vs defensively suspect fullbacks

3) Wonderful midfield on the ball, Kante is gonna get confused just like in the world cup final

4) Kroos-Kante is a very unbalanced double pivot – I will expand on this during the match!

5) My goalkeeper is far better and has excellent understanding with his team mates

Tactics Team Enigma/TRV

Formation:- 4-2-3-1.
Defensive Line:- Normal.
Style:- Direct. Technical unit, whilst also excellent in transition with lots of versatility and skill in attack.

Team Profiles.

GK:- Fernando Muslera
- Proven at the highest level and two great WC's, Copa America win, two times in a row chosen as IFFHS Best Goalkeeper(6th, 7th). An extremely reliable goalkeeper with the ability pull off match-winning saves consistently.
RB:- Dani Carvajal - Probably the best right back in the pool. A key outlet in Real Madrid's right wing and was one of their most influential players in their 4 CL triumphs. Excellent credentials in both phases - defensively as well as overlapping and supporting the attack.
LB:- Alex Sandro - A winner of nine major titles in his club career and twice a Champions League finalist, Alex Sandro is rightfully regarded as one of the best left-backs in world football. Versatile and well-rounded, Sandro is able to slot comfortably into any position down the left side, offering his side the tactical diversity of being able to switch between a back three and a back four without any hassle. His most notable attributes come to the fore in attacking situations, where his outstanding dribbling skills often see him wriggle out of tight situations to find space and push Juventus forward. His crossing is both unpredictable and dangerous. A capable one-vs-one defender, Sandro works well as part of an organized backline, and has benefited from being fielded alongside world-class centre-backs during his time in Turin who have helped mould him into a a very complete defender.
CB:- Mats Hummels - WC winner, 4 BL titles, regularly chosen in team of the year both in the BL and on international stage. Hummels quickly became the cornerstone of Dortmund’s defense as well as the attacking style Klopp instilled. An outstanding defender, who is a beast aerially and reads the game as well as any CB in the modern era. What makes Hummels stand out above his peers is his technique and ability to join the attack and initiate plays out of the defense. Kicker ranked him as the only player in the league worthy of the “international class” rank at his time at Dortmund, putting him in a class of his own.
CB:- José Giménez - Giménez is basically a whirling dervish, a constantly active defender chasing and harassing forwards. He has learned to channel better his aggressiveness and combine that with his outstanding athleticism and improved reading of the game. Gimenez combines his power, pace, and positioning, he is dynamic, forceful and utilizes his intelligence.
CM:- N'Golo Kanté - The pillar of Leicester City’s fairytale title win in 2015-16 and incredibly then won the Premier League again the following season after a £32million move to Chelsea. He was named the PFA Player of the year and FWA Footballer of the Year on the back of his success, but these tributes from some of the biggest names in the game may mean even more to the Frenchman. His contribution to France’s World Cup campaign can not be underestimated. A supreme tackler with a superhuman work rate, he has improved with the ball at his feet dramatically since moving to Chelsea. More abstractly, he levels the balance of any side.
CM:- Toni Kroos - Alongside Modrić and Casemiro formed the second best modern midfield after the Barca trio. Toni Kroos is undoubtedly one of the best midfielders in the world. He has been dubbed by Spanish publication Marca as “a one-man orchestra”, while Germany coach Joachim Löw lauds the “symmetry and balance” he brings to a side and Zinedine Zidane has called him the “perfect” player for Real Madrid. He was considered a Jahrhunderttalent – “a talent of the century” – when Bayern Munich plucked him from the youth ranks of Hansa Rostock in summer 2006.
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AM:- Eden Hazard - Following on from a terrific World Cup with Belgium, the Chelsea ace has started the season in better form than any of the game's other superstars. One of the most gifted players of this generation, Hazard brings a lot of play-making, skill, flair and passing ability to the table. He can leave defenders for dead on their feet and sometimes on their back with his twists and turns and can get out of tight spaces at will. We've put Hazard in a free role - a role that he relishes under Sarri.
RWF:-Kilian Mbappé - The hottest prospect in the world football right now and probably the most talented player to emerge as a teenager since Messi and Ronaldo. His pace clearly unnerves opponents who are left with an unenviable choice; to stick close, then get left for dead when the ball is played into space behind them; or drop off and allow him to run directly at them in possession. The control he exerts over the ball is thrilling at times, and some of his passes prompt gasps or shrieks of excited joy in the stands. Normally supporters watch a player and think:- “If only he could get the ball to X,” but Mbappé repeatedly does things that spectators are thinking quickly enough to have anticipated. One-on-one, Mbappé is unstoppable and with us having so many creative players who can find and opening with precision passing, Mbappé would tear the shit up down that right flank.
LWF:- Alexis Sánchez - The driving force behind Chile’s Copa-America triumphs. Fantastic output throughout his career, starting from his Udinese days. However it was at Arsenal, where he would claim to be one of the best players in the world. A dynamo, he can play on both wings and as a forward as well. The comination of dribbling, passing, shooting and pressing makes him one of the biggest threats to any defense in the entire league. After much controversy in the previous rounds we're putting Alexis in his preferred position on the left wing.
CF:- Robert Lewandowski - Happily helping himself to goals which range from the simple to the spectacular – with both feet, from open and set plays - Lewandowski sits well in the company of legends. In 264 Bundesliga appearances to date, he has rattled off 185 goals. And has impressive stats in Europer as well, finding the net on 53 occasions. Lewandowski also has a creative side. Not a single member of the Bundesliga's current cast of forwards comes close to matching the Warsaw native's impressive tally of 54 assists; the product of a cushioned lay-off, eye-of-the-needle through-ball or visionary punt more typically associated with midfield masters and roaming wide men. The ex-Poznan man is rewriting the all-round striker's rule book, and then some. Prolific, selfless and as fit as a fiddle, Lewandowski has to be considered one of the, if not the, most complete striker in world football today.

Defence:- We have got a very solid unit and definitely one of the best defences. Stylistically Hummels and Giménez are a great fit who complement each other perfectly and both are top class CB at their peak (approaching for Giménez). Hummels ability to take the ball out from the back and initiate attacks is welcome, whilst our full back pair is very balanced and solid in both phases of the play, proven both in Europe, internationally and for their clubs. Hummels and Giménez are the perfect sweeper/stopper pairing and would thrive being paired together. And with Carvajal and Sandro as full-backs, we have two excellent full-backs who tick all the boxes you need from modern full-backs. Excellent going forward, but really solid defensively as well.

Midfield:- A double pivot of Kanté and Kroos, with Hazard as the attacking midfielder is possibly the best midfield in this draft. It has everything. In Kanté and Kroos, we have a pretty solid duo which can both control the game and also press the opposition in making turnovers and regaining possession for our side. Kanté is the master of winning back the possession and in Kroos, we have one of the best passers of the modern era to control the tempo of the game and initiate attacks from deep. Ahead of them, in a free-role is Hazard. Hazard is playing in a position where he feels is his best position. As a No 10, Hazard would have complete license to link-up with the attackers and exploit the space between the lines with his deadly dribbling and passing ability. And without a designated DM in the opposition team he'd play in the zone with least resistance and would absolutely thrive.

Attack:-
An attacking trident of Sánchez/Lewandowski/Mbappé has it all - finishing ability, pace, movement, trickery and ability to create a lot of chances given the opportunity. We'd back our attack to create havoc against any defence and outscore them. Lewandowski leads the line for us, with Alexis now playing as left wing forward, he can cut in, score and bring his Arsenal form to the table. On the other flank, we have got Mbappé. He provides us with pace, power and penetration. His outstanding movement and sheer pace means he can be a threat both when he is on the ball and also off the ball, where he can make runs beyond the backline and run the channels as well. And upfront, we have the best no 9 of the current generation in Lewandowski. An absolute goal-machine who is capable of scoring all kinds of goals. A true modern 9 who can not only lead the line, but also get others involved with his fantastic hold-up play and the ability to link-up with others. At the same time a very effective presser from the front and often initiated the press for Klopp's Dortmund sides. Lewandowski's hold-up play would be a huge asset for us here as he can bring the likes of Sánchez, Mbappé and Hazard into the game and get them involved with some quick intricate 1-2 passing which can cause an opening against any defense.

vs Don Alfredo:-

In big games its often the midfield which decides the game, and we have the upper hand there with our Kanté/Kroos combination. Kanté and Kroos are the best midfielders on the pitch. The lack of designated DM in the opposition would provide pockets of spaces in that zone for our best player Hazard, to both run the game as well as create multiple chances in the final third.

In terms of attack vs defence, we have the best RB on the pitch who has proven himself on club level as well as is the 1st choice RB for Spanist NT ahead of Azpilicueta, whilst between Sandro and Luis it's a bit of a tossup, though Luis has the edge due to his consistency over the years. Don Alfredo has better CB pair but our attack is simply breathtaking. Our attack is perfectly set to penetrate that defense of Don Alfredo. In Sanchez and Mbappe, we have two explosive wing-forwards who are capable of constantly pull the defenders out of position and hamper their defensive shape, whilst Lewandowski is the best pure finisher on the pitch. And with Hazard thriving in a free role behind, where he will not have much resistance, our attack is well set to dominate the game.

On the defensive end, our defense is well equipped in dealing with Don Alfredo's attack. Carvajal has a good record against Neymar and generally is probably the best fit in the draft to take care of him on that flank. Sandro is also the athletic type and having in mind the Juve spell has the defensive ability to keep up with Nani, whilst Cavani is not the fastest strikers around to trouble Hummels and Giménez. Both Hummels and Giménez are great aerially and read the game well. They have the physicality to deal with Cavani upfront. Ahead of them, we have the best DM in the draft - Kanté who will most likely end up taking care of De Bruyne.

All said and done, we have quality throughout the pitch, with no major weakness and have got genuine proven mach-winners who can win games single-handedly.
 
Wow that midfield is incredibly unbalanced. Kante-Kroos is a bad tactical fit, but James would have given you someone who could have helped building up from deep. Hazard is never this kind of guy, he is waiting upfield and plays in the exact same inside left channel as Sanchez. Don't see any chemistry at all between the two. They are ball hoggers, they do the same things and Hazard is just better at that role, but he never was that strategic playmaker in the middle.

I see a serious defensive problem for your side, your defence is weak because Gimenez has no place in this final, your fullbacks are very attacking with no one covering for them and your midfield is a complete trainweck defensively. Kante is the only one putting any kind of pressure on the ball and I have 3 elite passers who can hurt any side, let alone this side full of defensive questionmarks.
 
Wow that midfield is incredibly unbalanced. Kante-Kroos is a bad tactical fit, but James would have given you someone who could have helped building up from deep. Hazard is never this kind of guy, he is waiting upfield and plays in the exact same inside left channel as Sanchez. Don't see any chemistry at all between the two. They are ball hoggers, they do the same things and Hazard is just better at that role, but he never was that strategic playmaker in the middle.

I see a serious defensive problem for your side, your defence is weak because Gimenez has no place in this final, your fullbacks are very attacking with no one covering for them and your midfield is a complete trainweck defensively. Kante is the only one putting any kind of pressure on the ball and I have 3 elite passers who can hurt any side, let alone this side full of defensive questionmarks.
Odd to say that mate. Thiago and Pjanic aren't really a ball winners of their own.

De Bruyne also has played in front of a solid midfield base.

Who is the ball winner in your team?

We have a very hardworking unit in midfield and even in attack.

Nani, Neymar are unlikely to put a shift in and you basically don't have a defensively great midfielder in your team, like we have with Kante.
 
My initial thought is, there will be a ton of goals.
Yup. As soon as we saw that Don Alfredo picked Thiago we knew it would be an open game.

I'd like our chances much better tho - Cavani is incredibly wasteful and along with Nani are probably the most frustrating players on the pitch.
 
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This is a defensive comparison of Thiago against Kroos. One is extremely skilled in intercepting the ball and doing the dirty work, the other is just a liability defensively if played in a midfield 2.
 
Odd to say that mate. Thiago and Pjanic aren't really a ball winners of their own.

De Bruyne also has played in front of a solid midfield base.

Who is the ball winner in your team?

We have a very hardworking unit in midfield and even in attack.

Nani, Neymar are unlikely to put a shift in and you basically don't have a defensively great midfielder in your team, like we have with Kante.

De Bruyne played with Witsel in a midfield 2, he is much more hard working than Hazard and Kroos.

Why do you call your midfield hard working if it is just 1 player and the other 2 are defensive passengers?

I posted the defensive stats of Thiago, showing that he is very good defensively. Will post a video later. I have 3 midfielders who are known for their hard work off the ball and your attacking threat from midfield is limited to Hazard (who is a bad fit with Sanchez next to him). Kante is a non factor and that will hurt you massively in your attacking play. Surely 3 players working hard is better than 1 player doing all the work and 2 players just watching the ball?
 
@Don Alfredo

The best defensive midfielder on the pitch is bar none Kante.

Sanchez, Hazard have incredible work rate and will help the midfield when we're off the ball.

In your team Thiago is your DM from what I understand? A role that isn't optimal and usually he had defensive midfielders to cover for him.

Neither of your wing forwards will help the defensive line, hence I'm not sure why you are bringing up the unbalanced point.
 
My initial thought is, there will be a ton of goals.
Agreed. Good to see both teams have abandoned much notion of protecting their defences and it's all about who will score the most (and which defence will stand tallest in the face of the onslaughts they'll face).
 
De Bruyne played with Witsel in a midfield 2, he is much more hard working than Hazard and Kroos.

Why do you call your midfield hard working if it is just 1 player and the other 2 are defensive passengers?

I posted the defensive stats of Thiago, showing that he is very good defensively. Will post a video later. I have 3 midfielders who are known for their hard work off the ball and your attacking threat from midfield is limited to Hazard (who is a bad fit with Sanchez next to him). Kante is a non factor and that will hurt you massively in your attacking play. Surely 3 players working hard is better than 1 player doing all the work and 2 players just watching the ball?

Who will watch Hazard in your team? We specifically gave him the centerpiece role due not having a DM in the opposition team. Thiago is hardly a good fit. You have three playmakers in your team, hard working yes, but zero ball winners. We have by far the best ball winner on the park:

 
I know Cavani has raised his game on some occasions, but he's really very wasteful to lead the line.

Here are some compilations from the games against Metz and Arsenal.

Probably the worst level I've seen in a course of the game since a long long time.




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vs Arsenal

Every time I've seen him in CL he was really underwhelming and unable to pull his weight on consistent basis.
 
Why do you say Hazard is hard working? Mourinho never played him in the middle because he is a defensive liability, everyone knows that.

Thiago often played in a midfield 2 with Vidal, who was past it, had zero positional sense, always wanted to attack the box and has no idea about tactics in midfield. At Bayern he was just brainless, especially in big games. Thiago was holding everything together.
 
Pasting some stats from the previous thread to showcase a bit the stature of Lewa on the biggest stage among other top forwards and Cavani:

Lewa has scored 19 goals in 31 games in KO stages of the CL.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rob...iga/0/wettbewerb/CL/pos/0/trainer_id/0/plus/1

He has scored against every top team he played - Barca, Real, Atletico, Juve, Arsenal, etc..

For example the other ones mentioned above - Aguero has 5, Cavani has 6, Ibra has 9, Benzema around 15 I think (but played around 15 games more), etc..

You can only probably make a case of last year being underwhelming. The years before he was pretty consistent scoring against all teams in the latter parts of the competition.

16/17 - scored a goal in each game he played in the elimination stage (Arsenal, Real)
15/16 - scored and assisted against Juve, scored against Atletico (missed the return game against Benfica - played 6 mins or something)
14/15 - scored against Porto (2), Barca and Shakhtar.
13/14 - decided the first game against Zenith with a brace, was suspended for the first game against Real when the tie was probably over.
12/13 - scored 4 against Real putting them aside in the SF's. Scored in the other 2 games on the road to the final against Malaga and Shakhtar.

even Suarez has a lesser goal ratio in later stages - 10 goals in 19 games(but then again he's the better striker all things considered).

From his generation I think only Cristiano and Messi would put up better numbers.

Also it's important to mention that even with that great cast fading - Ribery/Robben - and also being injured in many games, his strike rate never faltered.
 
Why do you say Hazard is hard working? Mourinho never played him in the middle because he is a defensive liability, everyone knows that.

Thiago often played in a midfield 2 with Vidal, who was past it, had zero positional sense, always wanted to attack the box and has no idea about tactics in midfield. At Bayern he was just brainless, especially in big games. Thiago was holding everything together.
He has shown his versatility playing under 2 defensively oriented managers in Conte and Jose and also in a more attacking role under Sarri.

Under Sarri he more often than not plays through the middle.

Not saying Thiago isn't a hardworking player, but he's not your typical ball winner, which Kante is.
 
Good Luck, @Don Alfredo .

Wow that midfield is incredibly unbalanced. Kante-Kroos is a bad tactical fit, but James would have given you someone who could have helped building up from deep. Hazard is never this kind of guy, he is waiting upfield and plays in the exact same inside left channel as Sanchez. Don't see any chemistry at all between the two. They are ball hoggers, they do the same things and Hazard is just better at that role, but he never was that strategic playmaker in the middle.

I see a serious defensive problem for your side, your defence is weak because Gimenez has no place in this final, your fullbacks are very attacking with no one covering for them and your midfield is a complete trainweck defensively. Kante is the only one putting any kind of pressure on the ball and I have 3 elite passers who can hurt any side, let alone this side full of defensive questionmarks.

How is Kante and Kroos bad tactical fit when you yourself have got Pjanic and Thiago?

Look at what Pep, Ancelotti and Heynckes did when they faced a top team in either UCL or Bundesliga. How many games did Thiago start as the holding midfielder/defensive midfielder against the top sides? Very few and the few where he did, Bayern were carved wide open at ease because there was too much space in front of the defense left to exploit. They had one of Martinez or Vidal or Alonso start as the holding midfielder/defensive minded midfielder because Thiago with another playmaker in midfield means you are screwed.

Here, Hazard will run circles around Thiago and Pjanic, with neither of them having any clue how to win back the ball from him or Mbappe for that matter who will eviscerate Luis in one-on-one situations and from counters.

About us needing James to build from deep, we have Hummels who can initiate attack from the back. Kroos who can create from deep-midfield and provide the service to the attacking quartet. As for Hazard being never that kind of guy, well here it is straight from the man himself how and why his best position is centrally as a No 10.



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This is a defensive comparison of Thiago against Kroos. One is extremely skilled in intercepting the ball and doing the dirty work, the other is just a liability defensively if played in a midfield 2.

Haha. Squawka, my favourite site. Which we selectively choose to propel our agenda.

Gimenez has no place in the final? But wait, our favourite site Squawka shows he is a better defender than Godin?

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How? :eek::eek::eek:

Using stats on the face value is pointless.

In the all-time drafts, we put so much stress on balance in midfield and having a good defensive minded midfielder to sit back/win back the possession. But here we are completely ignoring the importance of a good defensive midfielder who would ensure opposition doesn't overrun in the midfield? That makes no sense. Happened the same in Semi Finals. And again now again n the Final. We are selling players in positions to do stuff they have never been known for. There was so much furore over Alexis playing on RW even though he had a great season at Barcelona as a RW but why are we ignoring teams not using a good defensive midfielder and rather using players who are more playmakers than defensive midfielders? That too in such a vital area of the pitch, in the midfield.

Also, there has been some talk about Lewandowski being a flat track bully. Something that is blasphemous. Robert Lewandowski is Top-10 goalscorer in European Cup/UEFA Champions League history. Both in terms of no of goals scored as well as goals per game ratio. From the current players, only Messi and Ronaldo have scored at a batter rate than Lewandowski. And, its not just stat-padding in group stages. Lewandowski has scored 19 goals in 31 UCL Knock-Out stages matches as well. That puts him 3rd in All-Time top scorer in UCL Knock-Out stages history. And that too at a rate only bettered by Messi and Ronaldo. He has scored goals against the top teams as well. Has scored against the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Paris Saint Germain, Atletico Madrid, Juventus, Arsenal etc.
 
Too close to call this.

Good luck to both finalists, might throw a vote on someone based on discussion but initial glance is draw
 
@Enigma_87

That is too easy posting misses of Cavani. Lewandowski missed big sitters in many CL games, that does not mean he is not a good striker.

In fact Bayern fans wanted him sold last season after the CL game vs Madrid because Lewandowski was so shit when it mattered.
 
@Enigma_87

That is too easy posting misses of Cavani. Lewandowski missed big sitters in many CL games, that does not mean he is not a good striker.

In fact Bayern fans wanted him sold last season after the CL game vs Madrid because Lewandowski was so shit when it mattered.

I've never seen a top striker making so many misses in a single game. Not even Heskey. That Metz game was truly a horror show. It's not like those games are the only examples either.

Lewa is wasteful sometimes, as every top forward he can have a bad game, but Cavani has never been as consistent as him in those latter CL games as shown from the stats above.

Cavani is a hit and miss guy. That's the reason he was shunted on the wing when Ibra was at PSG (being inferior player as well) and the reason why there are so many videos of him missing easy sitters.

On Lewa it wasn't just down to that performance. He was poor that tie but the reason a lot of Bayern fans wanted Lewa to go was because he was flirting with Real Madrid prior to that season saying how he would love to play for Real Madrid and what not. That pissed Bayern fans off.
 
Kroos and Mbappe combining would create havoc in Don Alfredo's backline. Kroos making these long diagonal passes from deep to a sprinting Mbappe who would have space in front of him to run at or be at a one-on-one situation vs Filipe Luis.

The Kroos - Mbappe combination is a potentially match-deciding combination.

Kroos spraying these diagonal passes to Mbappe... :drool::drool::drool:



 
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Kroos and Mbappe combining would create havoc in Don Alfredo's backline. Kroos making these long diagonal passes from deep to a sprinting Mbappe who would have space in front of him to run at or be at a one-on-one situation vs Filipe Luis.

The Kroos - Mbappe combination is a potentially match-deciding combination.

Kroos spraying these diagonal passes to Mbappe... :drool::drool::drool:





Not sure if I agree with this. Kroos often plays his long passes to the RB or LB who tend to have a bit more space than a RW, and Mbappe is definitely the type of player you want to play in behind along the ground. The accuracy of Kroos pass usually means it requires a first touch, and Luis is good enough defensively to be able to get close enough to that second touch. Mbappe cutting inside with the ball played along the ground is far more worrying, and kroos won’t do that. In reality, he’ll be spraying his long balls to carvajal.
 
Cavani gets undersold massively here. All the talk about Lewa CL performance when he has the exact same number of CL medals as Cavani. Both failed when it mattered the most in the CL, but the difference is, Cavani did something meaningful with his country. On the biggest stage. Bigger than CL or Bundesliga or Ligue 1 or whatever. Just being there and performing at your best when it matters the most.





The truth is, Lewa not only failed in CL multiple times, he also failed at the world cup in one of the weakest groups ever. Cavani has excellent world cup performances and a COPA win with Uruguay. Much better pedigree on the biggest stage.
 
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Not sure if I agree with this. Kroos often plays his long passes to the RB or LB who tend to have a bit more space than a RW, and Mbappe is definitely the type of player you want to play in behind along the ground. The accuracy of Kroos pass usually means it requires a first touch, and Luis is good enough defensively to be able to get close enough to that second touch. Mbappe cutting inside with the ball played along the ground is far more worrying, and kroos won’t do that. In reality, he’ll be spraying his long balls to carvajal.
yeah, no doubt mate. It's not our primary game plan, but just an example of how quick Kroos can switch the tempo and find the wings. Mbappe is great in close spaces and with ball with his feet but he's also great when running into space and using his pace to burn the defenders.
 
Interesting debate over Lewandowski and Cavani. Frankly, I thought @oneniltothearsenal was being a bit harsh in the semi-final. My take is that they are on a similar level. The big Pole is a slightly more consistent finisher, while Cavani's movement to get on the end of chances is better. Cavani had a mid-career blip when he was playing out wide for Ibra, but either side of that has been nothing short of sensational for Napoli, PSG and Uruguay. Equally Lewandowski has been a machine for Dortmund and Bayern. He's disappointed me a little for Poland at major tournaments. Clearly doesn't get the same service as at club level, but doesn't do a great deal to create chances out of nothing - which goes back to my earlier point about Cavani's livelier movement and greater mobility.

Both on par for me with the 2018 World Cup edging me towards Cavani.
 
Why are you both talking about the other teams failures? Players are at their peak and presumed to be capable of performing at their best.
 
yeah, no doubt mate. It's not our primary game plan, but just an example of how quick Kroos can switch the tempo and find the wings. Mbappe is great in close spaces and with ball with his feet but he's also great when running into space and using his pace to burn the defenders.

A peak Luis and current Mbappe would be fecking great watch :drool:
 
Interesting debate over Lewandowski and Cavani. Frankly, I thought @oneniltothearsenal was being a bit harsh in the semi-final. My take is that they are on a similar level. The big Pole is a slightly more consistent finisher, while Cavani's movement to get on the end of chances is better. Cavani had a mid-career blip when he was playing out wide for Ibra, but either side of that has been nothing short of sensational for Napoli, PSG and Uruguay. Equally Lewandowski has been a machine for Dortmund and Bayern. He's disappointed me a little for Poland at major tournaments. Clearly doesn't get the same service as at club level, but doesn't do a great deal to create chances out of nothing - which goes back to my earlier point about Cavani's livelier movement and greater mobility.

Both on par for me with the 2018 World Cup edging me towards Cavani.

The difference of Lewandowski and Cavani in this game is not themselves, but who they are up against. That has to be taken in account for sure. Hummels-Gimenez is a much inferior pairing to Godin-Boateng, plus Enigma's fullbacks are defensively weaker as well.
 
Interesting debate over Lewandowski and Cavani. Frankly, I thought @oneniltothearsenal was being a bit harsh in the semi-final. My take is that they are on a similar level. The big Pole is a slightly more consistent finisher, while Cavani's movement to get on the end of chances is better. Cavani had a mid-career blip when he was playing out wide for Ibra, but either side of that has been nothing short of sensational for Napoli, PSG and Uruguay. Equally Lewandowski has been a machine for Dortmund and Bayern. He's disappointed me a little for Poland at major tournaments. Clearly doesn't get the same service as at club level, but doesn't do a great deal to create chances out of nothing - which goes back to my earlier point about Cavani's livelier movement and greater mobility.

Both on par for me with the 2018 World Cup edging me towards Cavani.


Difference is that with both playing as CF they bring different things to the table. Lewa with the service of Hazard, Kroos, Sanchez and Mbappe can be absolutely lethal and finish off chances. It's not the same thing with Cavani. He does bring a lot of different attributes to the table, but he's inferior finisher to him.

Sure Cavani has scored a lot of goals, but if something was claimed about Lewa(being flat track bully), Cavani is often the one filling his boots against the likes of Caen.

He has had some shocking performances in big games.

He does have a history of having good games against top sides, but that's really a rare occasion.

Cavani brings a lot of movement and work rate, but as a pure striker I never really rated him.
 
I have 3 midfielders who are known for their hard work off the ball
Pjanic isn't really hardworking, just a tactically astute playmaker? And Thiago with De Bruyne are hardy known for their hard work off the ball. They are known for their creativity and technique, while also doing their shift defensively. And Thiago never replicated that freakish form from 2016/17 if we're talking about his tackling and interceptions stat.

Hazard have incredible work rate and will help the midfield when we're off the ball
What the feck?

There's so much of the over/underrating of players and weird views on player's strengths and weaknesses in this draft.
 
What the feck?

There's so much of the over/underrating of players and weird views on player's strengths and weaknesses in this draft.
For a player of his ilk I mean. He’s an attacking player obviously not a CM.

Granted poor choice of words but he’s much better than Neymar and Nani to whom I compared him.
 
Both failed when it mattered the most in the CL, but the difference is, Cavani did something meaningful with his country. On the biggest stage. Bigger than CL or Bundesliga or Ligue 1 or whatever. Just being there and performing at your best when it matters the most.
Not sure if a brace in the World Cup's round of 16 is a bigger achievement than 4 goals against Real in the CL semi-final.

I'd rate Lewa a bit higher, but on the other hand Cavani is a better fit for Neymar with his workrate and off the ball movement.