That's very mature indeed. I think it goes against forum policies to post posts that add nothing to the argument.
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Mkhitaryan Exit Speculation
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That's very mature indeed. I think it goes against forum policies to post posts that add nothing to the argument.
Well he wasn't on the transfer list if that's what you're asking. He's a key player for them. However he was at the wrong end of his 20s and at the time Inter were a bit in a sticky situation with their cousins buying all the players and stealing all the shine. Being bogged down by the FFP hurt them a great deal and they would have loved to add new flashy players to parade infront of their fans. That could only happen if they took United to the cleaners
Many make the mistake to think that every single club has our mentality. For example Inter's muppetry is not only celebrated but is part of their history. That was the very reason why they broke out from AC Milan in the first place (they wanted to buy the flashy foreign players hence the name).
sounds about right. Yet they played hardball when we tried to negotiate with them in the summer for Perisic. Swings and roundabouts Inter.
I don't get your logic. They played hardball because every penny matters for them.
My post did add something to the argument: "ignore this post by @devilish , it's drivel"
Perisic is their second best player. They didn't want to lose him. He wanted to go, so they set a price, the price they deemed enough to lose the player without weakening the team. €50m. United never offered them that fee, so they refused to sell. End of the story.
Nah JP, I understand that. I just meant if they were a bit more willing to negotiate for Perisic - there might have been a bit more goodwill in relations between them & Ed.
Possibly a bit like our relations with Madrid after the DDG incident this summer, with them (supposedly) asking us a higher price for Morata. (Though supply & demand could have factored in here).
I was just saying it tongue in cheek anyway. I understand Inter needs every penny/or simply didn’t want to lose Perisic.
net result: no pennies made from it.
They kept a player that they wouldn't have replaced with the offer made.
That quite ironic considering that you're a Real Madrid fan posting on a United forum. Doesn't Real afford having a forum or are you waiting for the Spanish taxpayer to pay for it?
Anyway there’s far more to the story than that. Sure Perisic is their second best player but Inter knew exactly what his worth is and that less than 50m. Perisic himself threw hissy fits on that. They tried to take us to the cleaners, we refused to do that and that was the end of the story.
If United had to put Mkhitaryan on a loan then there would be plenty of clubs interested in him. Not to forget that we can easily afford keeping Mkhitaryan at United and still add players. Which makes you wonder, why on earth should we send him to Inter of all places especially after how they conducted themselves with the Perisic deal? Refusal to make a deal hurts them (ie FFP is a bugger for them and they can’t really buy anyone unless they first sell/swap) more then it hurts us. They are the ones whoring themselves for January loans and swaps for that Portuguese junk they bought for silly money (ie they are also trying to get Pastore on a similar deal).
I’d say let’s try and make a deal with clubs who can afford Mkhitaryan. If there aren't any then we should give preference to those who actually have players whom we need instead. If that hurts Inter the better. I wouldn’t mind seeing us putting a fee + Mkhitaryan bid for Florenzi, Jorginho or Savic.
Really? 40m-45m is a big sum of money. I can think of 2-3 players whom Inter could buy who would have done quite a decent job.
You need to get the 40m first and then you have to take into account the wages of these three players.
I am referring to players playing with mid tier/low tier Serie A clubs. They aren't usually on huge salaries. Players such as Berardi, Bernardeschi (last year) or Federico Chiesa. The former might be a bit of a risk considering the injuries he suffered but the latter two would have been great additions to this Inter's side. Actually I wouldn't mind if we got them instead.
Then there's of course the French and German league both being a huge well of talent at decent prices.
Inter will only do a loan deal, but Mkhi don't want to go there. Dortmund is his first choice. Don't they have this Turkish midfielder that everyone craved about ( Mor or something) and have not played with them as yet.
You are not helping yourself, Bernardeschi went for 40m.
He is at Vigo.
Bernardeschi was 22 at the time and probably on way less salary then Perisic. They would have swapped Perisic with a younger version of him and with better potential. It a shame that the guy ended up with Juventus because they barely need him there.
Then there were other players that might have been considered. For example Salah (42m euros). If Inter suggested a straight swap with Martial then I think that United would have accepted.
Thanks @JPRouve . I just looked it up myself. Wasn't he supposed to be the next superstar, he was compared to Ribery.
You can continue as much as you want, these are not the three players that you were bragging about, you don't know if Inter would have actually gotten the 40m because iirc United wanted to pay closer to 30m and why would Salah and Bernardeschi choose Inter over Juventus and Liverpool? Also your plan wouldn't change anything to their current situations, they would have had no more money this winter.
The fee was around 40-42m. That's what everyone was quoting at that point. Bernardeschi and Salah had a great season that year and both would have been interested in listening what Inter was going to offer to them especially the former, who knew from day 1, that its going to be quite tough to break into Juventus first team. Not to forget that Fiorentina would have rather sold Bernardeschi to Inter (or the glue factory for all that matter) then to Juventus as that brought back some bad memories (Baggio).
You can add Martial to the list, whom I believe, is a better player then Perisic. I am confident that United would have accepted a straight swap with Perisic.
That's still not the three players you mentioned, that's an hypothetical based on an offer that hasn't been made and the most quoted fee was 30m and it was linked with the narrative that United were trying to twist Inter's arm due to their FFP situation.
I mentioned Berardi, Bernardeschi and Chiesa, three of the most talented and promising players in the Serie A. Then I added Salah and Martial. All of which would have been a great addition to Inter.
The fee was all over the news (and Italy as well). We did tried to twist Inter's arm due to their FFP situation however, once that sorted, we offered better terms.
Still I've yet to understand why we should loan a player to the very club who had play hard ball against us all summer in the hope of pinching the last penny out of us.
You should apply as Inter DoF, @devilish . Clearly you know much better how to run it, and they'd have a squad of Salahs, Bernardeschis, Martials in no time.
No one told you that we should loan him to them, personally I'm just telling you that Inter did nothing wrong this summer.
If you know the club history then you'll probably wouldn't joke so much about that. Inter is historically the epitome of bad managerial decisions. They are the ones who gave Pirlo away to AC Milan for peanuts, who allowed Roberto Carlos to leave to Real on cheap and then sack the only person who wanted the Brazilian out and who allowed a young Franco Baresi, younger brother of club legend Beppe to go with Milan because he wasn't good enough.
Their DOF at Inter for many many years (Branca) is considered a joke even among the Interisti.
Its within their rights to try and pinch every penny from us. We have every right not to loan Mkhitaryan to them (and we would be stupid to do so). That's my argument
You were arguing with yourself then.
My initial argument was with those who seem to think that Inter's demands for Perisic were anything but ridiculous and that they weren't trying to take us to the cleaners.
In that case, I will argue and tell you that it's a stupid argument to have. Of course they are going to take us to the cleaner, they are not a charity and every club that isn't managed by idiots would do the same.
Its one thing trying to make some profit out of a player but going full greedy mode just because they think we are stupid enough to take the bait is a different cup of tea altogether. Perisic is a decent player but he is not WC. At his age its not worth buying at that fee. Thats something even perisic seem to have agreed upon hence his hissy fits during the summer
I like your 'club are not a charitable institutions' quote. Maybe we can answer to inter ridiculous loan offer with that.
Two things
1 ) if you believe he has hasn't got the talent to deliver here that's fair enough. However if you believe the problem is on his head- We seriously gotta give more time especially as we're looking at selling for 30 million quid
2) Last year he proved he has it in him as he was our best player in the big games due to his pace...especially against Tottenham and many times in the Europa league. We will need him in the champions league.