Pretty much everyone who watched De Bruyne regularly knew that his season at Wolfsburg was of a different quality than what Kagawa and Mkhitaryan did. Mkhitaryan was part of a fluid attack with players who had consistently done more than him and it was still kinda noticeable that Aubameyang, Reus and Gündogan were on a different individual level. Especially if you took the previous seasons into account. De Bruyne's final season at Wolfsburg was arguably the best individual season any attacking player in the Bundesliga had since Rummenigge won his Ballon d'Ors with only Robben and Ribery in their peak seasons being on a comparable level, Robben probably a level above if you value individual moments of brilliance over making your team tick. De Bruyne truely was midfield and attack for Wolfsburg, he ran the game and produced assists and goals. There's a massive difference between making Bas Dost look prolific in a team solely depending on you and feeding Aubameyang/Reus in a brilliantly coached cohesive attacking unit.
Mkhitaryan Exit Speculation
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Ha, no way are Dortmund going to resign Mkhi. Doesn't anyone remember the dig they took at us when they said Mkhi is leaving a CL team to play in the EL? We've won the EL since and are in the CL knockouts and now they got embarrassed by Real and Spurs collecting only 2 points I think. 
I hope we stay out from dealing with that club in the future. Forever in Bayern's shadow. If we really want to offload Mkhi I would rather sell him to another club.
I hope we stay out from dealing with that club in the future. Forever in Bayern's shadow. If we really want to offload Mkhi I would rather sell him to another club.I don't think in the real world clubs are as petty as that, thankfully.
We'll probably get the next Messi with the way things work out.Dortmund players are basically the Argentinians of Europe when it comes to us buying their players. I don't even want to imangine how it would turn out if we ever end up buying a real Argie from them.
Dortmund players are basically the Argentinians of Europe when it comes to us buying their players. I don't even want to imangine how it would turn out if we ever end up buying a real Argie from them.
*.Brazilians
The actual problem lies in the technical aspects too. When Kagawa arrived at United, we were already playing with a 4-4-2 diamond formation with Rooney as the number 10. He was playing day in day out. This cost Kagawa his game time. One player needs to play regularly in one position to create a difference. You can't expect every player to be adaptable week in week out in numerous different positions.
Same with Mkhitaryan. He arrives and united switches to a back three. Boss plays Lingard as number 10 while Mkhi was out of form. Came back to the team as a number 10, plays great football for a month, then fizzles out.
If we compare the last season of Mkhi back in Dortmund, he was played at the right attacking mid or right wing day in day out. That resulted in the upturn in his performances. While under Klopp in Dortmund, he was played as a number 10. As far as I have seen him play, he is not a traditional number 10. He is more of a runner who likes to break in from the flanks, create the counter attacks, dribble inside the boxes.
United shouldn't really get rid of Mkhi. My view on this will be buy Ozil, play him alongside Mkhi and maybe Rashford/Martial with Lukaku up front. Need some strong options in the attacking third to reduce some pressure off Lukaku's back.
Same with Mkhitaryan. He arrives and united switches to a back three. Boss plays Lingard as number 10 while Mkhi was out of form. Came back to the team as a number 10, plays great football for a month, then fizzles out.
If we compare the last season of Mkhi back in Dortmund, he was played at the right attacking mid or right wing day in day out. That resulted in the upturn in his performances. While under Klopp in Dortmund, he was played as a number 10. As far as I have seen him play, he is not a traditional number 10. He is more of a runner who likes to break in from the flanks, create the counter attacks, dribble inside the boxes.
United shouldn't really get rid of Mkhi. My view on this will be buy Ozil, play him alongside Mkhi and maybe Rashford/Martial with Lukaku up front. Need some strong options in the attacking third to reduce some pressure off Lukaku's back.
Jesus Christ... Ozil and Mkhitaryan in the same team? We may as well just wave a white flag to any slightly aggressive team we come up against.
I guess we could then replace Lukaku with Tinkerbell and we'll have the perfect pixie partnership.
I'm waiting for this to turn from speculation into confirmation.
If that's the case, then the whole team needs a revamp which is not possible unless you're playing FIFA 18 in Amateur mode.
Are you serious? This poor lad had a metabolic disease.
Its apparent that jose doesn't fully trust the player and it would seem this is a matter of time before he leaves.
I am a big fan of the player and struggle to understand the logic between bringing him here. He was a Jose signing after all.
Miki thrives on fast paced counter attacking football, has good energy, good touch and can play nice through balls. Unfortunately, since he has come here, he has been used in various positions (out wide for example, where he wont be as effective) and has been dropped and omitted from the squad for various lengths of time.
In his 1st season, 1 appearance against city, then he was in the wilderness. Same this season, starts well then form dips, then he's nowhere near the squad for 7/8 games. Few sub appearances since, but his confidence and mentality must be shot to bits with this treatments from Jose.
The way Jose plays, with the defensive mindset and focus on long balls, we are always going to struggle to make the most of miki. I'm not saying we should build a team around him, but this is a classic example of our style of play not suiting this player. I'd put this down to poor scouting
I am a big fan of the player and struggle to understand the logic between bringing him here. He was a Jose signing after all.
Miki thrives on fast paced counter attacking football, has good energy, good touch and can play nice through balls. Unfortunately, since he has come here, he has been used in various positions (out wide for example, where he wont be as effective) and has been dropped and omitted from the squad for various lengths of time.
In his 1st season, 1 appearance against city, then he was in the wilderness. Same this season, starts well then form dips, then he's nowhere near the squad for 7/8 games. Few sub appearances since, but his confidence and mentality must be shot to bits with this treatments from Jose.
The way Jose plays, with the defensive mindset and focus on long balls, we are always going to struggle to make the most of miki. I'm not saying we should build a team around him, but this is a classic example of our style of play not suiting this player. I'd put this down to poor scouting
Good post, I see him as a great counter attacking forward and him, Lukaku and Martial as a formidable counter-attacking option.
However due to what I expect is back-stage politics which we don't see of needing to have big name players in big matches he is being sacrificed and when he does play like you say he is out of position.
I would expect him to move given the chance.
Hope he goes as soon as possible he failed miserably here. We need to find a proper number 10 though.
To blame the system for Mkhitaryan's form is nonsensical. He was very good first few games and then, inexplicably, went downhill rapidly whilst playing in, essentially, the same system. The system didn't change; he did.
I like him but I am very disappointed with his contribution. I don't know how he can be happy with what he has been offering either.
I like him but I am very disappointed with his contribution. I don't know how he can be happy with what he has been offering either.
Come on, mate. Come on.
Mkhitaryan's best season of his life came form the RW/RF role at BVB. Mourinho played him where his performances had shone the brightest in the past. To say that he played him out wide where he's not effective is quite frankly bollox. He played him out right, he played him next to Ibra too last year, as a SS, in CL games. When his performances turned to shit there, he moved him to #10 where he'd see more of the ball. Hoping that the central role would suit his skillset more.
He had 3 good games, maayybe 4, at the start of the season. By the Everton game we were saying he was playing shit despite grabbing an assist. That was 17th of September. He played every following game, including CL games, until the 18th of November. That's 2 months he persevered with him through abysmal form. Compare that with Rashford/Martial where if one of them had a bad game he'd be on the bench, or sometimes be benched even after playing well. He put up with him when we were yelling at the TV for Mourinho to take him off.
These last few months Mkhi has barely looked like a footballer. Lost the ball nearly every time he got it, overrunning it and going down blind alleys, simple passes failed to meet their target, abysmal work rate. If he's mentally checked out that's more on him than Mourinho. He's certainly done nothing but justify he's omission from the squad so far, and that omission was not unwarranted at all.
I don't know about the play style not suiting the player. Maybe it doesn't, maybe it was bad scouting from the start. But you can't say that Mourinho did not treat him well or did not try to find a place in the team that would get the best out of him. He tried and persevered with him and Mkhi only got worse and worse. The fact that everyone would rather see Lingard ahead of him right now, shows how much he has fallen. And I'm afraid this total collapse is on Mkhi not on Mourinho.
He will go, but not back to Dortmund. Inter only interested in a loan deal. A lot of others showing interest but nothing concrete yet.
Raiola. Think of him like the big brother of Donnarumma. He´s Henrikh Poglatan.
He's obviously a confidence player and when on form he's brilliant. Problem is, he has no confidence and his bottom level is akin to Di Maria's, he can't pass the ball to a man two yards away and his dribbling falls off a cliff.
It's like in Space Jam when the Monstars steal the talent from the best NBA players... He just stops functioning like a player.
It's like in Space Jam when the Monstars steal the talent from the best NBA players... He just stops functioning like a player.
Firmino turned out alright.
Yes, he hit some poor form, as all players do.
When Pogba, Rashford or Martial play bad, are they omitted from the SQUAD though? I'll answer for you - no.
At best, Jose drops these to the bench then has them come on. I'm not saying this is all Jose's fault, as the player alone is responsible for form and attitude. But I insist our style of play isn't going to get the best out of Miki.
From dropping him after the derby game last season and leaving him in the cold for so long its clear Jose has never took a liking to Miki.
Bit of both, poor management of the player and a bit of lost form from the player.
Its a bit frustrating as we have the players to play a fast paced technical game, but opt for park the bus long ball tactics which gets us nowhere. Our form is woeful this year, despite our league position.
He's a strange one, for some reason I feel like he could turn it around in a way that I never thought kagawa, di Maria could
It's a shame, he's got that talent. If he played consistently to his potential we'd probably be challenging.
I'm really amazed at how easily he is dispossessed and casually pushed of the ball. Same with Depay. Both of them have spent more match time with their faces in the dirt then actually on their feet with the ball.
Gone in the summer but we can't afford to let him go in January. Even if we only use him for cup games. We don't have an abundance of attacking players, and the ones we have are all out of form (along with Mkhitaryan).
Wasn't that impressive in Bundesliga though.
Mkhi haters be like “Don’t sell Shaw! He was decent for 3 games before the leg break”
Hypocrisy at its finest. Mkhitaryan was putting up excellent numbers at the start of the season.
I think he should go but only if we get Perisic or Willian.
Hypocrisy at its finest. Mkhitaryan was putting up excellent numbers at the start of the season.
I think he should go but only if we get Perisic or Willian.
Please make it happen.
Both him and Shaw have been useless.
It's his own fault if the club decide to sell him. His performances so far have been very bad. For mkhi lovers who defend him by saying the problem is our system, then can you tell us the reason he couldn't make simple pass and hold the ball more than few seconds? he is just too weak
People on here are saying Mickey is a great counter-attacker and we’re not using him right.
I’m not so sure, as we are a counter-attacking team where he’s been largely terrible at it.
I’m curious to know what else we aren’t doing, as a team, that Mickey reasonably requires.
I’m not so sure, as we are a counter-attacking team where he’s been largely terrible at it.
I’m curious to know what else we aren’t doing, as a team, that Mickey reasonably requires.
Everyone keeps saying this but he literally had three good games. Two games where he assisted 5 goals in total and the third when he scored a goal. Thats it. His numbers are horrendous if you disregard those three games. He has had 2 assists in 18 appearances after the first 2 games of the season in August.
Especially if kdb just signed a 6 year deal at a far more wealthy club for the same wage
He is sensational on the break but 90% of games we play the opposition simply plays for a draw, and He is poor in these games
That's an issue with most our team really. We have the players to play on the break, but when it comes to breaking a team down who are sitting back we look dumbfounded.
Exactly. Teams under klopp will get counter attacking players a lot of goals but will be wildly inconsistent. Mourinho is forced right now to try to break down defensive teams. City are a lot better at it because it's all they do. We did okay at the start of season - breaking deadlock often with a set piece and then counter attacking. We have become unstuck lately as our defence struggles to keep the clean sheet
Mkhitaryan is not a great counter attacking player; he's had one season that is up to the standard of a Man Utd player and that was under Tuchel who is a manager that focuses on positional play with the ball.
In fact, he is the player that probably kills off our counter attacks more than anyone because he doesn't make the right pass or delays on the ball too much.
Mkhitaryan is also not a central player; he is a fluid forward that starts wide. When Mkhitaryan starts central he does not have the space he requires to operate because he will be marked heavily.
In fact, he is the player that probably kills off our counter attacks more than anyone because he doesn't make the right pass or delays on the ball too much.
Mkhitaryan is also not a central player; he is a fluid forward that starts wide. When Mkhitaryan starts central he does not have the space he requires to operate because he will be marked heavily.
De bruyne and Sane are doing great and they come from the Bundesliga
Anyone who watched Bundesliga did know Miki was overrated as hell (besides Dortmund fans). He just has those numbers because their coach was fantastic and they had an fluid attacking system. The 2 players who really did all the work for Dortmund was Weigl and Gundogan. And one joined City.
It's just our scouting system failed hard
Anyone who watched Bundesliga did know Miki was overrated as hell (besides Dortmund fans). He just has those numbers because their coach was fantastic and they had an fluid attacking system. The 2 players who really did all the work for Dortmund was Weigl and Gundogan. And one joined City.
It's just our scouting system failed hard
https://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/Spor...ie-Personalie-Henrikh-Mkhitaryan-1242571.html
Some noise about Mkhitaryan and Dortmund
Apparently they have good sources for Dortmund news.
Some noise about Mkhitaryan and Dortmund
Apparently they have good sources for Dortmund news.
Firmino had a better season in 13/14 than Mhki in 15/16. He was also more consistent over the seasons...
I think the writing is on the wall with him, he will be gone. The question is whether it will be in this window, or the next.