Miscellaneous Reserve/Youth News

Stobzilla said:
Even considering their history of shite decisions, be it the FA or premier league, this has to rank up there with the very worst.

A way of doubling the amount of games these lads could play is staring them right in the face by having a Championship sized division and getting them 46 games a year. But yet despite everyone and his dog saying that the problem is playing time they actively find a way to reduce it by adding a "competitive" element.
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46 games is too much considering an U21s team usually doesn't have a strong squad depth to cope with that amount of games.There are a few ways to increase the number of games though.27-30 would be acceptable considering we also participate in the LSC and MSC, ideally 3-4 games per month with the exception of August.
 
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khoazany said:
Already discussed in the previous page.
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Yeah I read that but don't think this new piece was posted. I don't really worry about the players picking City part but I am not sure why United aren't spending more to improve the facilities.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Yeah I read that but don't think this new piece was posted. I don't really worry about the players picking City part but I am not sure why United aren't spending more to improve the facilities.
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Who is to say that our facilities aren't already top notch?
 
I also heard most of our good players at that level were at an U15 tournament. To be fair, Mitten is not the only person raising alarms over our youth set up. A lot have in the last 12 months and thses are people who really care about the club. In that sense it's a concern.
 

For those that have a subscription, could you please do a summary.
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Adisa said:

For those that have a subscription, could you please do a summary.
There have been various reports on this issue.
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Heard similar things from last year.We were considering not to send the "A" team to play them because it made easy for them to know who're our best talents or the promising trialists to chase after.But then they even scouted our teams when we played against other academies so it doesn't make much sense.
 
khoazany said:
Heard similar things from last year.We were considering not to send the "A" team to play them because it made easy for them to know who're our best talents or the promising trialists to chase after.But then they even scouted our teams when we played against other academies so it doesn't make much sense.
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should we just not reply by chasing their best talents ? Trying yo get them when they are 16 ? i think we could sell youth developement and first team chances better than city.
 
There was a pact between Real and Atletico some time ago to stop poaching each other's youth players. Some kind of finders-keepers pact. I don't think anything like that is likely in this situation.
 
Maradona10 said:
should we just not reply by chasing their best talents ? Trying yo get them when they are 16 ? i think we could sell youth developement and first team chances better than city.
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There hasn't been many City youth players at 16 that are worthy to be poached,yet (foreign imports not counted).It would cost a lot more to poach one at 16 than at 9-12 and generally the best youngsters at that age would tend to stay at the club if they're already at a top academy.We didn't lose Gribbin for example despite some massive interests from other clubs.

Seems according to the article it's not just us but some other academies are also considering boycotting against playing City (bet Liverpool is one).
 
If we start competing with City for the financial things they are offering could cause a obscene inflation at that level.
 
Seems Ethan Hamilton is out injured for 2-3 weeks.Would be interesting to see if we'll feature a younger XI tomorrow with the UEFA Youth League match on 15th.
 
Adisa said:

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At first I put these stories down to scare mongering from the press, but they are coming up with increasingly concerning regularity now.
I would hope we're making the necessary adjustments so as not to fall so far behind that we are going to have to play catch up with them across the road, because on the face of it a few dodgy results here and there are not too concerning but if we are that concerned that we would even countenance the idea to boycott City games at youth level, then something must definitely be afoot. I just don't know if a boycott would be the most practical solution to it though. Surely, we should be looking to get our own house in order?
 
rotherham_red said:
At first I put these stories down to scare mongering from the press, but they are coming up with increasingly concerning regularity now.
I would hope we're making the necessary adjustments so as not to fall so far behind that we are going to have to play catch up with them across the road, because on the face of it a few dodgy results here and there are not too concerning but if we are that concerned that we would even countenance the idea to boycott City games at youth level, then something must definitely be afoot. I just don't know if a boycott would be the most practical solution to it though. Surely, we should be looking to get our own house in order?
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If they keep going to poach our players every year how we're going to get our own house in order?Boycotting from playing them = reducing the exposure of our players to their coaches and scouts (not sure if it's really practical though).We're not boycotting because we're not getting good results against them.It's nonsense.
 
khoazany said:
If they keep going to poach our players every year how we're going to get our own house in order?Boycotting from playing them = reducing the exposure of our players to their coaches and scouts (not sure if it's really practical though).
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Yeah, that's my thinking. Something like boycotting matches is going to be counterproductive to the kids' development... By getting our house in order, I meant the targeting of the kids and ensuring that we offer at the very least, a comparable package to the one that City are offering. Surely a club with our resources has the capacity to do that?
 
rotherham_red said:
Yeah, that's my thinking. Something like boycotting matches is going to be counterproductive to the kids' development... By getting our house in order, I meant the targeting of the kids and ensuring that we offer at the very least, a comparable package to the one that City are offering. Surely a club with our resources has the capacity to do that?
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It isn't down to resources though, there was a good summary by one of the posters here about the ins and outs of what could be offered to a player at any given level.
 
rotherham_red said:
Yeah, that's my thinking. Something like boycotting matches is going to be counterproductive to the kids' development... By getting our house in order, I meant the targeting of the kids and ensuring that we offer at the very least, a comparable package to the one that City are offering. Surely a club with our resources has the capacity to do that?
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The package is the same as it is set out by the football league. The only thing that differentiates one contract from another is a 'verbal promise' on the length of the deal.
 
There's other things though, isn't there - like the offer of paid schooling regardless of whether they're kept on til 16 or not and so on. Not ideal having to get into that sort of territory but not sure there's any choice if we don't want to fall behind. Do think resources are an issue to an extent as well, at various stages of the academy.

Not sure there's any point boycotting playing them anyway, they'll obviously still find a way to watch and scout.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Whats this Oldham match? Just a behind closed doors friendly? Bit strange to have Tuanzebe play in that over the youth league.
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It's only a behind closed doors friendly.Curious what sort of team Oldham put out though, as 8-1 is a bit too much...

As for Tuanzebe, there's a specific reason why he didn't play but he'll be back next game.
 
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