I'm not a fan of Skriniar but keep in mind that his issues are with the role that he is currently playing, he doesn't have the burst or agility to cover the space behind his wingback in a 352. He is good in a back four but not so much in a back 3.
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I'm not a fan of Skriniar but keep in mind that his issues are with the role that he is currently playing, he doesn't have the burst or agility to cover the space behind his wingback in a 352. He is good in a back four but not so much in a back 3.
Has never looked right for me. He seems to be overly aggressive, clumsy and lacks a bit of class on the ball.
I like Badiashile, Konate and Koulibaly.
I like Badiashile, Konate and Koulibaly.
Ole did say we needed a left footed centre back. I don't think it should be him though
Ah okay. Though I would not be completely against Upamecano. I would prioritise a back up AM before the likes of Upamecano/Konate/Ake. But would also prioritise a worldclass CB before a backup AM if that makes sense
From what I’ve seen of Skriniar, he isn’t that good in the air either.
Other than the upcoming French guys, of whom I’d take Upamecano, Konate or Todibo - I kinda agree with @golden_blunder on Reuben Dias. He’s strong and proactive - and dominant in the air too. His style would compliment Maguire, although I can’t say I’ve paid too much attention to his ability on the ball.
I’m also a big fan of Ozan Kabak, who I think is as good as, if not better, than any young centre half about. Age wise, he sits in between Mengi and Tuanzebe though, and I’m not sure that’s the profile Ole would go for, unless he sold Axel.
Other than the upcoming French guys, of whom I’d take Upamecano, Konate or Todibo - I kinda agree with @golden_blunder on Reuben Dias. He’s strong and proactive - and dominant in the air too. His style would compliment Maguire, although I can’t say I’ve paid too much attention to his ability on the ball.
I’m also a big fan of Ozan Kabak, who I think is as good as, if not better, than any young centre half about. Age wise, he sits in between Mengi and Tuanzebe though, and I’m not sure that’s the profile Ole would go for, unless he sold Axel.
Don’t forget Seri. I was criticised for saying Ndomdele could turn out like Seri and he’s doing exactly that so far.
It's too early to call him out as a flop especially since he's playing for Jose. The whole Spurs team look like crap. You can't even imagine that a year ago this team were in the CL finals. Obviously there are missing Eriksen as well but I don't think he could have done too much to get them out of this predicament. Spurs are known for free-flowing football and they've been everything but that.
Ole seems to rate Tuanzebe and getting a Konate, Upacameno would hinder his progress. Although, I do believe that getting either of them would be good for us but I think he's looking for someone around the 24/25 years age group.
That would be very dumb from Ole if true. It’s equivalent to us not getting Sancho cause Greenwood is doing well.
So According to you who between Upamecano and Konate is the bigger talent and who would suit our team better. I haven't watched either of them barring some highlights of Konate who despite being good, looks bit clumsy and unrefined .
Haven’t seen too much of him outside of highlights JP but from the little I’ve seen, and it is something you might have touched on, but I feel he has a lack of pace to play next to Maguire. Is that fair or is he actually fast enough for a high line next to Maguire?
I don't know. Upamecano is better on the eye but Konaté seemingly has better stats, so I'm torn between trusting my eyes and stats. They are both good and full of potential. Konaté's agent, @Adnan, will have a more definitive answer though.
I have the same feeling, he doesn't change direction quickly and is often in trouble in open space. I don't know if he is actually slow but quick players can get around him.
That had me in splits though Jokes apart I do hope if we are targeting a Cb this summer then they both are under consideration.
That's not the same thing. We need a world-class RW and those are scarce at the moment. Sancho who happens to be 20 years of age has proven himself over the course of 2 seasons in the Bundesliga as well as in CL and therefore, he's one of the most coveted players in World football. From a marketing perspective, he would also sell a lot of shirts that Sanchez has failed to do with his horrendous performances.Given Sancho's age, he could be here for over 10 years provided Real or Barca don't turn his head.
Kanote and Upamecano are already better than Tuanzebe. We also NEED a center back. If given the chance to sign either of them we absolutely should. No point saying Tuanzebe CAN be great so let’s just wait. We need options all over the team for proper depth. If Tuanzebe is good enough he needs to get over his injuries and prove himself just like everyone else.
Dude, if it was up to me, I would have signed Konate or Upamecano by now, but Ole seems to rate Tuanzebe and wants to give him a proper run in the team. If it wasn't for his injury this season, I'm pretty sure Tuanzebe would have been the first choice as Maguire's partner. Tuanzebe was even given the armband in one of the games ahead of the likes of Rashford, Pogba and other senior stars.
Now I'm not sure if Tuanzebe has got a recurring injury. If so, then it would make sense to have him as a backup defender. But the matter of fact is that we've got 7 CBs at the club and that's not even including Mengi whose got a bright future as well. We need to get the likes of Jones, Smalling, Rojo, and even Bailly out of the club first.
On a side note, I do like the look of Ozan Kabak (from the youtube clips I've seen). He gets stuck in and seems to be pretty fast. Does anyone have an update on him? and how he would fit in with Maguire?
Yes we need a centre back but I doubt Ole would be looking for one that is still young and growing to replace Lindelof. Especially when we already have Tuanzebe and Mengi that are young. Someone older and more established should be what we are looking for to pair with Maguire
Again it’s well and good we have potential but those guys are already proven at a bigger stage. Clear out deadwood and have Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly, Tuanzebe and one of Kanote/Upamecano and then Mengi as an option.
I don't know about you but we currently have 12 clean sheets and conceded 6 in 17 games with our current back line. Asides from squad depth I personally don't see how Konate* or Upamecano can elevate us pass that level. I mean if you think a back line of Shaw Maguire Konate and AWB can win us the league then our current back line of Shaw Maguire Lindelof and AWB is also good enough to do the same
I watched the highlights for inter against Verona and I am sure it was Skriniar who had a player skip past him with ease in the byeline - a bit like Maguires situation against Bournemouth.
Of course defenders get beaten occasionally, but what I saw was a serious lack of acceleration which IMO, is not the right attribute for someone to play what to Maguire.
I'm British, so I could be Jonathan Barnett..
Our CB pairing have a mistake in them all the time. If we are to have any plans of winning the league anytime soon, we'll need a formidable CB partnership like Vidic/ Ferdinand. As of now, Lindelof does not compliment Maguire all that well and we could get exposed. Konate offers more pace than Lindelof and could protect us when Maguire is caught off guard or dribbled across.
Why would United decide to sign a centre back who only had 6 league playing time as starter this season, 27 last season and 14 two seasons ago as an upgrade of Lindelof? It doesn't make any sense. I can understand if United try to buy him for a small fees like 20m-30m for a punt. However, his current transfer value is 40m, with an unknown release clause, I expect RB Leipzig to sell him much more than that and I doubt the club will take a risk to spend the money on him at the moment.
Sounds to me like Maguire is the one that needs replacing. I'll say it again though, if people think Shaw Maguire Konate Awb is good enough to win the league then our current back line that has conceded 6 and kept 12 clean sheets in 17 - Shaw Maguire Lindelof Awb is also good enough.
I doubt Ole would even be looking for a young centre back to replace Lindelof with the way he rates Tuanzebe and with Mengi coming through
If you are old enough you are good enough. Doesn't matter what the age is. However, I doubt we will spend 40m-60m on centre back who still lacks of experience.
Well any young centre back lacks enough experience. Besides I don't think there's any at the moment that is good enough to turn the back line into the title winning one that people on here want
I recently made a post about him in the newbie forum. I think he's pretty average, he was sent off a few days ago and I don't see anything special about him. I say pass.
The point is that if you are old you are good enough. Pique moved to Barcelona is a good example.
If we spend on 25m on Joe Rodon for example, a Swansea 22 years old centre back and he turns up to be good then good for us, if he turns up to be flop then 25m is nothing. If we spend on 40m-60m on those inexperienced or unproven enough then it's so much risky, not worth the risk.
I am much more worry having look at our centre back option apart from Maguire & Lindelof, and we got Bailly, Jones & injury prone Tuanzebe.
Yes it's what i think too. We need a centre back but if we are getting a centre back to upgrade on Lindelof then we are likely to spend 40m + and for that price it has to be a big upgrade on Lindelof whether he is old or young. And I don't think there is one that matches that description available.
But we still need a centre back because like you said take off Maguire and Lindelof and our other options are worrying. For me it's either we spend 40m + on a centre back that's a big upgrade on Lindelof if such a player is available or we go for a cheap solid low risk high reward CB. Heard good things about Salisu from La liga fans and is only available for 8m
I heard good things about Bailly from La Liga....
He hasn't even get into Ghana international team and this season is his first professional season. I'll be worry to even spend that 8m on him. I fancy Ake more for 25m-30m, experienced & proven.
Spot on.
There will always be failures and successes. That's why it's low risk high reward. I heard good things about Maguire from Hull City.
You are comparing a player who has lot of professional football with Hull City to two players who only play 1 full season professional. Before move to United, Bailly only had 1 full season professional football with his club and the same with Salisu this season.
I don't care who really. Anybody United sees fit.
Skrinial is very good defender who is not suited to 3 CB in conte's system. Problem with him is, he is not that fast (maybe he is quick but his first steps and agility looks quite slow). On the ball he is nothing special, but not bad either. I would say its same for the air. Why we would buy player for lets say 70mil when he is not even complimenting Maguire lack of pace and he is not that much better then lindoloef, just more aggressive a strong.
You take every post too literally and never understand the point because of that. I'm comparing a player who showed potential and was available for cheap to another player like that. We wanted to buy a 16 year old for 20m + that has one season in the championship aand his highest international level is England U17 as his professional experience. We wanted to buy him because he is low risk high reward. Sancho went to Dortmund for 8m from City's youth academy. We got Hannibal for 9m. We did the same for Dalot. All were gotten because it was low risk high reward. But I bet you are going to come up with a reason why I should not compare a club getting Salisu for 8m to those players above
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If anything here is that you are the one who missed the point. Professional experience isn't the point, it's only part of many negative point of signing the player. The point is about signing the right player. The poster made a good point when we have similar case about Bailly last time, a foreign player who is going to move to bigger league, different country & bigger club, a centre back with only little experienced in both professional & 0 international and rely on pace a lot. May be stick with Bailly is a better idea here than signing the player.