Middle East Politics

Galloway assesses the ramifications of Assad’s fall.

- Palestine advocates shouldn’t be happy with Assad’s fall because all the arms from Iran to Gaza were facilitated through Assad’s Syria. (4:35)

- The end of Assad equals the end of the Palestinian struggle

- The destruction of Arab power will only result in the strengthening of Israel and Turkey

 
berbatrick said:
"Printing and studying the Sefer HaTanya in the new Chabad house in the village of Hader in the liberated Hashan area (Syria).This is our entire country! Conquer and settle!!"



There's no way they're taking Damascus, it's a logistical nightmare, but a permanent golan + mountain + additional buffer loos very possible.
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I wonder what should be the logical steps taken to deal with these Jewish extremists.
 
Muawiyah recalls how the authorities told their parents: “Forget about your children. Make new children. And if you’ve forgotten how to do that, bring your wives.”
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Raoul said:
Galloway assesses the ramifications of Assad’s fall.

- Palestine advocates shouldn’t be happy with Assad’s fall because all the arms from Iran to Gaza were facilitated through Assad’s Syria. (4:35)

- The end of Assad equals the end of the Palestinian struggle

- The destruction of Arab power will only result in the strengthening of Israel and Turkey

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The interesting part of that, for Raoul, is that Galloway has always been convinced that ISIS/HTS/AQ/ETC are useful idiots of the Israeli regime. Hard to disagree.

And for others, too. The US saying it has to stay there (been taking gas and oil for years, illegally) until the very force they just helped put in power is defeated. It falls into farce. A blind man can see the truth of the situation (for US/Israel/other state actors) here.
 
“Bashar al-Assad confided in almost no one about his plans to flee Syria as his reign collapsed. Instead, aides, officials and even relatives were deceived or kept in the dark, more than a dozen people with knowledge of the events told Reuters.

Hours before he escaped for Moscow, Assad assured a meeting of about 30 army and security chiefs at the defence ministry on Saturday that Russian military support was on its way and urged ground forces to hold out, according to a commander who was present and requested anonymity to speak about the briefing.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...rs-syria-deception-despair-flight-2024-12-13/
 
2cents said:
“Bashar al-Assad confided in almost no one about his plans to flee Syria as his reign collapsed. Instead, aides, officials and even relatives were deceived or kept in the dark, more than a dozen people with knowledge of the events told Reuters.

Hours before he escaped for Moscow, Assad assured a meeting of about 30 army and security chiefs at the defence ministry on Saturday that Russian military support was on its way and urged ground forces to hold out, according to a commander who was present and requested anonymity to speak about the briefing.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...rs-syria-deception-despair-flight-2024-12-13/
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On Maher:
Assad didn't even inform his younger brother, Maher, commander of the Army's elite 4th Armoured Division, about his exit plan, according to three aides. Maher flew a helicopter to Iraq and then to Russia, one of the people said.
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The Firestarter said:
Flew a helicopter to Russia? Must be some helicopter that. Probably not Russian made.
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Probably not the best way to phrase it by the author, although he could’ve flown from Iraq to Iran, then to a place like Derbent Russia which is only a few hundred km from northern Iran.
 
Has it been confirmed by Russia that Maher is in their country?

It would be huge if he was on (a fair) trial in Syria, but it feels very unlikely that someone of his importance would have been left behind.
 
Idxomer said:
I wonder what should be the logical steps taken to deal with these Jewish extremists.
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The financial sanctions issued against some of them were a good start and it bothered them greatly.

Unfortunately I'm sure Trump will revoke the santions the US issued.
 
It would be a travesty if nobody in the family that’s spent decades butchering Syria were brought to justice.
 
Amir said:
The financial sanctions issued against some of them were a good start and it bothered them greatly.

Unfortunately I'm sure Trump will revoke the santions the US issued.
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Yeah he'll do exactly that, he doesn't care at all about the consequences, and it's an easy win with his base.
 
golden_blunder said:
When I say region, I mean those major countries getting out of the Middle East not just Syria.
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Sorry, I've just seen that you answered me. It's a really good question, and almost impossible to predict for an expert, and I am very much not that. I feel like when 'big powers' decouple from an area, there ends up being some other entity who at least attempts (successfully or not) to take their place. At a guess the area would slowly (and perhaps violently) move towards borders that are based not on the random British/French lines of demarcation, but based on ethnic or tribal lines. The problems that have beset the ME would still be there though, for example the vast oil wealth, and who has access to it. And it's difficult to see how that problem would not lead to violence, although without Western or Chinese/ Russian weapons it might be on a smaller scale. I would hope the future would be better, and more equitable, but the cynic in me thinks that it might take a century much like the last one, in terms of needless deaths of innocent people, for a solid map to emerge. But in and of itself, that shouldn't be a reason to keep the status quo.
 
africanspur said:
It would be a travesty if nobody in the family that’s spent decades butchering Syria were brought to justice.
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I think the Assad family living in luxurious obscurity in Moscow under Putin's protection is inevitable now - so that travesty is as good as certain.
 
One interesting aspect is the presence of Uyghurs (TIP) in the rebel forces who fought Assad. What happens to them and how does it affect China-Syria relations?
 
Idxomer said:
It's both. It all comes from a good dose of brainwashing caused by decades of propaganda but there's also inherent prejudice toward anyone in the region not sharing their great values. See those last two pages for more examples, there are some truly hilarious shit posted in them.
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It never ceases to amaze (and disgust) me how normalized and self-evident invading and bombing brown countries became in the western societies. It's now literally a matter of fact, to the point that some are genuinely surprised when others object to it.

It's also worth remembering that preemptive wars are illegal.

I've put the whole thread on ignore in the few past days, hoping that the most active supporter of Israel's insane policy in Syria would finally let go and stop making my eyes bleed since I can't put them on ignore. But it seems that I have to wait a bit more.
 
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Amir said:
That would be correct.

The IDF going into Syria has obviously been reported, but I wouldn't say it got a huge amount of attention. It's seen as a temporary security measure and nothing more. I don't think I've seen much even of the far-right talking about it being any think more (unlike Gaza).

However, of course, no one has any idea how temporary it's supposed to be or will be and there's always a danger that once you've made the more it'll be hard to find a way back.
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Good to see you here.
 
@africanspur

In one of your replies you mentioned the Arab peoples agency and freedom to choose their own path.

I personally think that they've got little to none, particularly in the Middle-East. Military might dictates everything there and things only happen when the puppetiers either allow or force it. There was once a once in a lifetime opportunity to unite and truly get rid of the former colonial shackles, but that has been squandered by the Arab dictators decades ago.

Syria's pivotal position in the region is so important that now that Assad is gone, Turkey, the US, the oil regimes and especially Israel will make sure of it becoming either a puppet state or a failed one. We are seeing a head chopper and a war criminal, with a $10M bounty on his head, getting interviewed by CNN. That tells you everything you need to know.

Israel's so-called temporary invasion of Syria for "sECurIty rEAsonS" will turn out to be permanent. It will never give Mount Hermon back now that it got its hands on it. Ever. You already know that. Turkey will stir as much shit as it can in the North and the US will keep control on Syrian oil. (Here's another link).

While Assad was a piece of shit and his regime a blight on Syrians, the country is done.
 
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Raoul said:
Galloway assesses the ramifications of Assad’s fall.

- Palestine advocates shouldn’t be happy with Assad’s fall because all the arms from Iran to Gaza were facilitated through Assad’s Syria. (4:35)

- The end of Assad equals the end of the Palestinian struggle

- The destruction of Arab power will only result in the strengthening of Israel and Turkey

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I doubt Khalidi is responding directly to Galloway here, but it seems to be part of an ongoing debate among certain activists in the West:



Interesting that any similar debate among Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza seems definitively settled - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/isr...nd-stay-on-topic.438528/page-52#post-31843000
 
The likes or Galloway and his ilk have that white saviour complex, out there to save the brown people from themselves. Talking about how he's given up on Arab's, but all he's ever done is support the butcher of Syrian people and has done absolutely nothing but become a mouthpiece of Iran and Russia. And same goes for all the other western lefties that tow this so called anti imperialist line. Good riddence.

All they ever do is talk about evil America and it's allies (and they have done a lot of evil in the region) but offer no solutions, just accept status quo and let the region become a game for the powers, it's never about the people on the ground.

Yeah the US and Turkey will benefit from the Assad regime collapse however the everyday Syrian's life will improve. It's now upto the Syrian's to try and forge their future which is a lot better without Assad around.
 
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2cents said:
I doubt Khalidi is responding directly to Galloway here, but it seems to be part of an ongoing debate among certain activists in the West:



Interesting that any similar debate among Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza seems definitively settled - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/isr...nd-stay-on-topic.438528/page-52#post-31843000
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There’s definitely a degree of introspection taking place over the past week or so given how important Syria was to Iran as a logistical hub to push weapons, training, and other resources to Hezbollah and beyond. With Assad, Nasrullah, Haniyeh, and Sinwar gone and their respective capabilities decimated, there’s bound to be a recalibration as to whether these movements will remain viably relevant, or whether they will fade into obscurity as Al Qaeda and ISIS have.
 
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nobody could have seen this coming, absolutely out of the blue

The government unanimously approved Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's plan to encourage demographic growth in the Golan Heights and Katzrin communities, totaling over 40 million NIS.Prime Minister Netanyahu:"Strengthening the Golan is strengthening the State of Israel, and it is especially important at this time. We will continue to hold onto it, make it flourish, and settle it."




the first three hebrew replies:
"why are you settling there and not resettling the lebanon settlements?"
"why only 40 million"
"only because of oct 7 you finally are focusing on us and not your family"
 
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