bosskeano
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sorry but i don't think he's United quality nad a player that would make any sort of impact
Yes. Absolutely. Otherwise you just know he’ll end up at Liverpool.Get me Pedro Neto instead.
Personally would rather we get in the DOF first and then start buying players.
With all due respect to Palace, AWB could do better than Palace and I doubt he would be okay to return either. Also he isn't a reject or fringe player for us. So yeah, if the other club fringe swaps look better go for it.Olise isn't a wingy winger. Hes really a wide midfielder like Strachan or Beckham.
Lots of clubs want him and he very likely has a release clause. So you aint gonna fob us off with your rejects in part exchange unless they are massively discounted,
And the other clubs fringe swapsies look better prospects than yours.
He's not a winger in the traditional sense, so I do agree he's more a wide midfielder rather than a winger.Olise isn't a wingy winger. Hes really a wide midfielder like Strachan or Beckham.
Lots of clubs want him and he very likely has a release clause. So you aint gonna fob us off with your rejects in part exchange unless they are massively discounted,
And the other clubs fringe swapsies look better prospects than yours.
He's a good player, but I'm not sure we're a good team for him. As displayed in the clip below, he's reliant on runners to combine with, and a lot of fans will expect him to go on the outside. Hence signing 21 year old Nico Williams would imo be a better long-term investment.
He's physically more powerful in comparison to Sancho and Antony, but he thrives in the half space and requires runners to combine with. And Eze is a very good player in that regard, and has the ability to connect, combine and dribble with his team mates, which does help players like Olise.He's certainly more direct and brave in hjs play than Sancho & Antony but as you say, won't work aswell without someone like Eze to bounce off.
He's a good player, but I'm not sure we're a good team for him. As displayed in the clip below, he's reliant on runners to combine with, and a lot of fans will expect him to go on the outside. Hence signing 21 year old Nico Williams would imo be a better long-term investment.
You make good points. I will have to watch some more footage of Williams as I've only seen the odd highlight really.He's physically more powerful in comparison to Sancho and Antony, but he thrives in the half space and requires runners to combine with. And Eze is a very good player in that regard, and has the ability to connect, combine and dribble with his team mates, which does help players like Olise.
But I just feel we should target a wide player who not only carries a threat coming inside but also carries a big threat in the wide space. And it's why I favour Nico Willians, because he's showing the potential to be that player on both sides of the pitch. I don't think we have a single wide player who carries top level wide space dribbling threat. For me the mark of a good player is when they standout in a game, but haven't assisted or scored a goal. It's why I was a big fan of Ryan Giggs growing up who was a winger that made a difference without goals and assists due to his ability to cause chaos with his dribbling ability in combination with his pace. We don't have anyone close to that ability and we need to close the gap in that regard imo.
I think with Sancho possibly leaving permanently, it opens the door for a new wide attacker. And I'm sure there's plenty of options, but from my limited understanding of the available options, I think Nico Williams with a €60m release clause looks a very interesting player who can play either flank.The thing is, we went the "better long-term investment route" like 2 and 3 years ago... Don't get me wrong, this is not me criticizing going for who we went for (thats for other threads) but I think, we really tried to bring in a long-term solution for this position. I don't know Nico Williams, I know he is rated highly but that applied to the others acquisitions as well. Don't know the prices that thrown about but I'd rather bring in a steady player with a good reputation at this point. Doesn't have to be a world beater just somebody who can be relied upon. There are so many other positions to invest in, at some point we have to make the next step. Garnacho can play there too, potentially there is a player coming back from Spain. I think, at this point, we have to accept we lost and make do with what we have available. It isn't like the rest of the team is getting better on his own.
The concern with Neto seems to be injuries, but he's a excellent wide attacker and his pace and directness is something we need imo. Having a option like him would make a big difference and he can provide a threat on either side.You make good points. I will have to watch some more footage of Williams as I've only seen the odd highlight really.
What do you think about Neto as an option? Very direct, tenacious and does not rely on the interplay you mention re Olise.
Played on the right of course he'll be cutting in more often that not, but I've seen him play well at LW too, and Garnacho has shown some promise at RW recently.
Injuries would be a concern with him I suppose. I haven't checker but remember at least two decent spells out for him while Wolves have been in the top flight.
Yep he seems tailor made for Liverpool really. I took a look at his injury record and think it's too bad to risk personally. We need to build a team of athletically dominant, perennially fit players as an absolute baseline I think.The concern with Neto seems to be injuries, but he's a excellent wide attacker and his pace and directness is something we need imo. Having a option like him would make a big difference and he can provide a threat on either side.
Having pace is one thing, but having pace in combination with the ability to dribble, makes a wide attacker even more dangerous. I think Neto falls into that category, but his injury record has held him back, or I suspect he would've joined Liverpool by now. Klopp loves fast/direct players.
He's not a winger in the traditional sense, so I do agree he's more a wide midfielder rather than a winger.
But imo, I think we should make a attempt for Nico Williams from Club Athletic. He has the ability to play on both sides and it seems he's the one the scouts have put forward as the player to sign.
He's a good player, but I'm not sure we're a good team for him. As displayed in the clip below, he's reliant on runners to combine with, and a lot of fans will expect him to go on the outside. Hence signing 21 year old Nico Williams would imo be a better long-term investment.
I don’t watch Williams too much but he’s always given me a young zaha vibes. Is that fair?He's physically more powerful in comparison to Sancho and Antony, but he thrives in the half space and requires runners to combine with. And Eze is a very good player in that regard, and has the ability to connect, combine and dribble with his team mates, which does help players like Olise.
But I just feel we should target a wide player who not only carries a threat coming inside but also carries a big threat in the wide space. And it's why I favour Nico Willians, because he's showing the potential to be that player on both sides of the pitch. I don't think we have a single wide player who carries top level wide space dribbling threat. For me the mark of a good player is when they standout in a game, but haven't assisted or scored a goal. It's why I was a big fan of Ryan Giggs growing up who was a winger that made a difference without goals and assists due to his ability to cause chaos with his dribbling ability in combination with his pace. We don't have anyone close to that ability and we need to close the gap in that regard imo.
Nah, he's levels above Zaha. I'd say more like a more wingery version of Raphael Leao, can play either wing, can go inside or outside. He's the dream signing for me.I don’t watch Williams too much but he’s always given me a young zaha vibes. Is that fair?
He's not a winger in the traditional sense, so I do agree he's more a wide midfielder rather than a winger.
But imo, I think we should make a attempt for Nico Williams from Club Athletic. He has the ability to play on both sides and it seems he's the one the scouts have put forward as the player to sign.
He's not a winger in the traditional sense, so I do agree he's more a wide midfielder rather than a winger.
But imo, I think we should make a attempt for Nico Williams from Club Athletic. He has the ability to play on both sides and it seems he's the one the scouts have put forward as the player to sign.
I mean stylistically compared to a 19 year old zahaNah, he's levels above Zaha. I'd say more like a more wingery version of Raphael Leao, can play either wing, can go inside or outside. He's the dream signing for me.
CorrectNah, he's levels above Zaha. I'd say more like a more wingery version of Raphael Leao, can play either wing, can go inside or outside. He's the dream signing for me.
Not sure Nicholas Williams is quite as good as Olise currently.
Different style player mind, but Olise is slightly the better player on the ball.
I actually feel Olise would be better playing more centrally, he is very silky on the ball and can make things happen.
Saw the comment "he's a left footed Grealish" which feels right, though a tier below Grealish. Just not it for me.
He's not a winger in the traditional sense, so I do agree he's more a wide midfielder rather than a winger.
But imo, I think we should make a attempt for Nico Williams from Club Athletic. He has the ability to play on both sides and it seems he's the one the scouts have put forward as the player to sign.
Yeah. I'm also not convinced that Amad is the right type of winger for what we want to reach a top level either, but I'd rather just go with him than spend big on Olise. Much simpler trajectory for a more direct winger with more pace and strength like Nico Williams where I'd be all for signing.Don't see anything there that Amad can't do to a similar level if he actually 1. gets match-fit, and 2. gets some consistent PL football.
Williams is a good choice, although when he signed his new deal last month I assumed that was the end of that. Bakayoko is a similar profile, although I think Williams is better and more of a goal threat which we desperately need. I’d also prefer Neto to Olise, as much as I like Olise as a player. We simply don’t play good enough football for me to be confident in getting the very best out of him.
I’d much prefer Eze from Palace, who I think would transform us as a #10 here. He has so much of what we lack and is the player we need to replace Bruno.
Saw the comment "he's a left footed Grealish" which feels right, though a tier below Grealish. Just not it for me.
Agree with you on most of this.Olise is definitely better on the ball. Williams has ‘clumsy’ feet, to a small degree. Nowhere near as graceful. But far more athletic.
Pedro Neto is probably the best medium in terms of skill and athleticism. Obviously Greenwood is the best player by far from a a footballing perspective.
Saw the comment "he's a left footed Grealish" which feels right, though a tier below Grealish. Just not it for me.