He would be perfect.. They would not get relegated i can assure you that. The football however??? Don't know how that would go down. He'd love Bony too.
Michael Laudrup
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He would be perfect.. They would not get relegated i can assure you that. The football however??? Don't know how that would go down. He'd love Bony too.
Moyes would not get the Swansea job, purely on his football.
We beat them twice this year, there's no excuses for him.
How funny would it be if Moyes gets fired and we hire Laudrup and Swansea hire Moyes?
I think the Caf would rejoice at that thought tbh.
Fair point.Moyes genuinely wouldn't meet Swansea's criteria. You have to play a passing game to get the job there.
Yeah, a bit knee-jerk for Neville to react like that. Maybe it was in the best interest of the club.
It seems everyone connected with our club in particular is a tad obsessed with long-term managerial stings, irrespective of what the merits of the case are.
Well obsessing over the short term isn't helping either. You have people on here preferring the likes of Martinez, Laudrup or Pochettino over Moyes when they have done nothing over a sustained period of time.
Long term vision is hugely important, but keeping in mind the potential and reality of things of course.
As for those managers, you have to understand that one can have their own preference regarding style of football. Real Madrid or Barca will probably pick Pocchetino or Martinez over Moyes too. Why is that? Is it because they're "trendier" picks? Or is it because their brand of football would make a whole lot more sense than Moyes, who would automatically disqualified if we're being honest.
I like him, good manager that wants to play nice football. Unfortunately the rigours of the Europa League took it's toll on their small squad and their league form suffered as a result.
An era centred around one reassuringly competent manager is a fine thing to aspire to, however that really wasn't what Swansea are sacrific9ing in this instance. As @Drifter said in an earlier post, the club are understandably in fear of being that team who finds itself sucked into the relegation battle without being duly prepared for it. I'm not sure i'd have gone with a player coach mind you but there we are.
Pundits can be all too willing to leap to the group think response before considering any underlying causes, Neville fell into just such a trap here IMO.
The lacklustre display against West Ham had echoes of Fulham and Palace prior to their managers departing the scene, that sense that the coach no longer has the answers and that the team is adrift.
To be honest, if they've sacked him on pure merit then I disagree with the decision. He had an amazing season last time round and cup wins for smaller clubs can often lead to slight sense of complacency and the Europa league is just a league season killer.
What I was saying was that public figures like should beware of just shooting off tired cliches when there may be more to a manager leaving than meets the eye. In this case, it seems there isn't.
Posted a few weeks ago on Reddit:
Swansea's form hasn't been exactly stellar as well. On near relegation form, and also rumours about dressing room problems with the Spaniards.
Swansea's form hasn't been exactly stellar as well. On near relegation form, and also rumours about dressing room problems with the Spaniards.
Last season was incredible for them though. And a fantastic achievement on Landraups part.
This season, with the cup win last year and the dreaded europa league, was always going to be tough. Some of the signings may not have been the best, granted.
Crazy stuff.
I just went through the comments from the Swansea side. It seems they might have done the right thing going by those comments.
This is why people shouldn't just think black or white regarding this long term issue and constantly jump on the "omg, how could they!? bandwagon so quickly, like Neville has.
Getting rid of him is only one aspect of it that is crazy.
The timing for example?
Have you even read the comments?
The timing? You never know. Maybe the new guy will provide a boost to the morale within the camp.
Poor decision IMO
Just heard a Swansea fan on Talksport - it made interesting listening.
Apparently, this is only a surprise to the national journo's as locally its been on the cards for a while. Over the last year he's won 9 of 39 games (apprently - not sure whether that's league games) and this fella seemed to put their success early last season and the League Cup run down to Michu's form and a bit of a roll over from Brendan Rodgers impact the year before.
Also supposedly the case that a lot of senior players don't like his training methods and negative style of play. The fans seem to think he's too safe and a lot more negaative than Rodgers was.
The results have been poor to be fair when you look at it. He's had the chance to bring his own players in and put his stamp on the team and results haven't improved for them.
Strange timing given that the window has just closed and another manager cant bring anyone in. Perhaps something else has gone on.
That sounds like a really stupid idea.
I meant the statement by the club officials. That's all I've read.
If one looks at this:
Swansea
Brendan Rodgers
Played 96 Won 42 Drawn 20 Loss 20 GF 389 GA 295 GD win% 42.92
Achievements: Championship Play off Final win, 7th posItion in EP
Michael Laudrup
Played 84 Won 29 Drawn 83 Loss 31 GF 499 GA 378 GD 121 Win% 44.41
Achievements: League Cup winner, 8th position, Europa League qualifier, Knock out rounds of Europa League
One is tempted to say that Swansea fan is deluded indeed if he thinks Laudrup was mroe negative than Rodgers in any shape of form...
If it's behind-the-scenes related, then fair enough... but I can't help think that the bloke deserved a chance to turn things around - if the sacking was based on Swansea's form.
He won them the League Cup for christ sake, surely that buys you some time to make things right? Or do we just accept people getting sacked at the first sign of trouble, despite any grand achievements they may have previously made for the club?
He won them the League Cup for christ sake, surely that buys you some time to make things right? Or do we just accept people getting sacked at the first sign of trouble, despite any grand achievements they may have previously made for the club?
Stats ignore the fact that Laudrup took over Rodgers side - a side which probably punched above its weight in the PL and were, you would think full of confidence.
I think the suggestion was that the early success Laudrup had, was in part, down to the club continuing from where Rodgers left off - but once Laudrup's coaching, player choices and tactics took hold, things got worse. What you can't argue with is their league position, despite Laudrup having brought in a number of his own players and trying to change the style of play.
To be fair, he seemed to be an even minded bloke rather than a hothead and wasn't overly critical of Laudrup, but he did say that this isn't a surprise to regular match goers and the rumours around Swansea (it being a small town) was that he wasnt very popular with the players. If he's watching them every week and thinks theyre "negative" than I can't really argue with that. I'd say that tells you more than the stats you've posted - they also appear not to add up, unless I'm missing something.
Wasn't there something about his long-term future being in question, maybe more on his part than Swansea's? For instance, if they knew he was definitely leaving in the summer, they might do better by changing things now. Though it does seem like a mad decision from the outside.
The part about him being 'disinterested' about management is interesting, I always put it down to Nordic flegm or something, but it's interesting if there's something deeper there.
About him being more negative in his approach than Rodgers was, that's simply not true on the basis of the two full seasons of Swansea in the elite. They were a great passing team under Rodgers, which he himself inherited from Martinez if I understood correctly (?), but during their first season in the PL they definitely lacked cutting edge up front. Laudrup brought that last year, sure thanks to Michu in great part, but also due to his coaching and tactics more likely, with a real emphasis to transform possession into clear cut chances. Swansea last year were really great to watch, I don't care what any revisionist Swansea fan says!
To be honest, I don't think it's a mistake because they should have absolutely kept him forever or God knows what, if they felt in the long run he wouldn't be able to help the club progress, I can understand the decision, but seriously the timing is ludicrous. I don't get this 'if he was going to leave in the summer, he might as well have just been sacked straight away' argument, especially considering his immediate 'replacement'.
About him being more negative in his approach than Rodgers was, that's simply not true on the basis of the two full seasons of Swansea in the elite. They were a great passing team under Rodgers, which he himself inherited from Martinez if I understood correctly (?), but during their first season in the PL they definitely lacked cutting edge up front. Laudrup brought that last year, sure thanks to Michu in great part, but also due to his coaching and tactics more likely, with a real emphasis to transform possession into clear cut chances. Swansea last year were really great to watch, I don't care what any revisionist Swansea fan says!
To be honest, I don't think it's a mistake because they should have absolutely kept him forever or God knows what, if they felt in the long run he wouldn't be able to help the club progress, I can understand the decision, but seriously the timing is ludicrous. I don't get this 'if he was going to leave in the summer, he might as well have just been sacked straight away' argument, especially considering his immediate 'replacement'.
Quick maths lesson here 42/96 = 0.4375 so 43.75% and 29/84 = 0.3452 or 34.53%
Also if % is a bit difficult lets try addition you say laudrup managed for 84 games drew 83 of those lost 31 and won 29 which is actually (83+31+29) 143 games (some 54 more than you say he was in charge for) you might also be interested to know that the 42 games you say rodgers won plus the 20 you say he drew and the 20 he lost adds up to 82 games not 96
I honestly have no clue where you have got those stats from but they seem to be wrong
But comparing championship stats to premier league stats is very unfair - its like saying Danny Ings and David Nugent should be in the England squad because they have scored more league goals than Sturridge, Rooney or Welbeck this season so Im not sure what the point is
EDIT - you did get the GD right though according to your numbers so well done on that one... having said that the rodgers stats of 4.05 goals scored a game and 3.07 goals against (from your stats) and Laudrups 5.94 scored and 4.5 against (again from your stats) do seem to be as inaccurate as the win ratios and games played, won draw and lost so dont get too carried away on getting 499-378=121 right
*F- MUST TRY HARDER
FYI from wiki
Rodgers p96 w39 d29 l28 f148 a118 gd+30 win ratio 40.63
Laudrup p84 w29 d24 l31 f116 a105 gd+11 win ratio 34.52
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Those are some of the most dodgy stats I've ever seen.
I thought that 44.41% looked off.
I thought that 44.41% looked off.
It's the goals for and against that seem really dodgy to me!
The point that the fan seemed to make this morning on the radio was that gradually, over the course of Laudrup's time in charge, the style of play has changed. They were very entertaining to watch under Rodgers, but are less so now. I can't argue with that if he watches them every week and it doesn't seem as if he's the only fan who thinks that.
Laudrup has had the chance to spend not inconsdierable sums and bring in players you would think would be on tidy wages for a club of Swansea's standing. A lot of these dont seem to be any better than he's had before and if he's now fallen out with them then that is a problem for the club.
I can see how this polarizes opinion. The reason I raised what the fan on the radio said was to point out that what is in the national press, and the general shock that he's been sacked isnt neccessarily what people closer to the club feel. Clearly there is more going on than meets the eye and to be fair to the chairman at Swansea he's probably earned the right to make these difficult decisions based on past performance.
Big rumour that they want Everton's Assistant Manager - who (if I recall correctly) was Martinez assistant at Snwasea, and allegedly turned down the job before Laudrup got it. Interesting if true.
That part looks like stats from the 1950s.It's the goals for and against that seem really dodgy to me!
Well, You seem to be forget that Rodgers just carried on the work of Souza and Martinez and it wasn't all his style of play either. However way you look at it, it doesn't sound good to have an inexperienced coach while looking at a possible relegation fight. It's a stupid decision at best and I don't know what the worst is. Firing makes sense, if they have a coach lined up to take over. Out of the two seasons, he had a terrific season and one bad season.
Ahh faaaaaaak it. I mucked up the stats I was citing
I'm so ashamed
These should be the correct stats below based on their overall record as manager of Swansea during an EPL season:
Michael Laudrup played 84 won 29 draw 11 loss 31 GF 116 GA 105 GD 11 Win % 34.5
Rodgers played 41 Won 13 Drawn 11 Loss 17 GF 50 GA 59 GD -9 WIN% 31.7
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Ahh faaaaaaak it. I mucked up the stats I was citing
I'm so ashamed
These should be the correct stats below based on their overall record as manager of Swansea during an EPL season:
Michael Laudrup played 84 won 29 draw 24 loss 31 GF 116 GA 105 GD 11 Win 34.5%
Rodgers played 41 won 14 drawn 24 loss 17 GF 49 GA 23 GD 26 Win ratio 34.1%
erm again if rodgers played 41 how did he win 14 draw 24 and loose 17? (that adds up to 55 games)
rodgers stats as manager of Swansea according to wiki are as i quoted above
if you look at his season in the prem with them (league games only)
played 38, won 12, drew 11, lost 15, scored 44, conceded 51 (taken from final pl table where you can see swansea finished 11th not 7th http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Premier_League )
so as they have conceded 51 league goals I'm not sure how you get their goals against to be 23... thats just erm impossible (though somehow in the additional 3 games you have them playing they have won two drawn 13 and lost two so I guess with that maths anything can happen
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Maybe he did - but we're not talking about Brendan Rodgers abilities or him being sacked. Swansea is a club which has developed well - largely due to the hiring policies of an owner who seems to be getting a lot of flak for this decision. My point was that Laudrup perhaps picked up a side in a better position than those before him (an accusation that can be levelled at Rodgers and Sousa as well for that matter) - but as it stands, this season they havent progressed as well as the club probably would have liked given the investment that has been made.
I only started down this route simply by referring to a fan who seemed to suggest that what a lot of people in the national press, and/or fans of other clubs think to be the position - is perhaps not as accurate as it appears.
You can have the opinion that its a bad decision, but you dont knw what's going on behidn the scenes. If he has fallen out with his players, as has been rumoured, then it doesnt leave the owner much option. I very much suspect there's more to this than first appears.
At the end of the day, if they're in the PL next season then that's what matters. Clubs who repalce their manager often get a short term boost - especially if that manager wasnt well liked. Their form has ben poor and the owner has made a brave decision and where they end up will tell you whether it was the right one. As said before, he's been brave in the past in employing inexperienced managers and its paid off - so he's arguably earned the right to make these tough decisions.