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Michael Keane
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I hadnt seen that story so cheers for posting - good to know that they are closely monitoring everyone.
I did worry that perhaps LvG had pretty much decided that the likes of Powell and Keane are not what he wants and is just waiting for offers to sell them.
Since the summer tour, there really hasn't been a dramatic change in the form of either player. Both have had the occasional poor game (or 45 mins) but generally have done ok. Michael Keane was at fault for both Joe Cole's goal against Villa and Cisse's for Newcastle in his first two starts for Burnley. Since then he does appear to have improved, though still with a tendency to hold a deeper line than the rest of the defence, playing opposing forwards onside from time to time. There isn't much in his Squawka stats to suggest that he is superior overall, better at aerial duels, significantly lower pass completion percentage despite similar average pass length, otherwise not a great deal in it in terms of interceptions, blocks, tackle success-rate, take-ons etc.
I was aware of his first few terrible matches (some Burnley fans even said back then he's Championship standard at best) however in his last 4-5 games for Burnley he seems to have grown into the role and been much more confident,both on defending and bringing the ball out of the back.And that was against some of the very tough oppositions Liverpool,Man City and Spurs although him and his CB partner should have done better for the Sterling goal.
There's a lot of difference in how both teams set up their defence so I'm not sure stats will give us an accurate picture here.
we are not the best at resigning former players aren't we? as much as I feel like he will be gone forever if he goes on permanent deal I feel that it's really good for him at least if they stay up. He won't want to be playing in championship for another year. It's good chance for him to establish himself as a premier league player whereas at us he would be still our 4th/5th best defender if we sign someone.. on the other hand he reminds me pretty much of younger evans, quite error prone player good on the ball, good movement so he could be his natural successor but again he would have to leap over Rojo, Smalling, Jones who are obviously better than him right now..
Burnley can have Evans instead of they like.
Watch that Southampton game. Southampton's little attacking mid knobhead whatever he was called (played against us too) put in a naughty challenge on one of the Burnley players so Keane went and smashed into him forcing him off the pitch. Also, he refuses to wear coloured boots.
Watch that Southampton game. Southampton's little attacking mid knobhead whatever he was called (played against us too) put in a naughty challenge on one of the Burnley players so Keane went and smashed into him forcing him off the pitch. Also, he refuses to wear coloured boots.
His tackling when someone is coming straight on has improved a lot but i think he struggles somewhat with the side on sliding tackle in one on ones.
Sometimes when you are beaten or the attacker gets the edge he needs to learn to put in the diving tackle or block. He stays on his feet too much almost and that's a weakness in his game even when it comes to blocking shots or clearances.
But you can see he is someone whose game is constantly improving so hope he can add that little bit of desperation/aggression at times.
Btw, Blackett was kept and Keane let go simply because Blackett was a left footer. As per LVG we had 3 defenders to play the right sided role but just Rojo for the left except Blackett.
Also he had a loan offer from a PL club while Blackett would be more hard pressed to find one. Bit of revisionism going on here. Think he was actual equal to Blackett in pre season.
Also he had a loan offer from a PL club while Blackett would be more hard pressed to find one. Bit of revisionism going on here. Think he was actual equal to Blackett in pre season.
Blackett looked a lot more impressive in pre-season for me. Wouldn't surprise me if Keane was sold.
The only mistake Keane made in pre season was being outpaced by Bale IIRC. His distribution and all rest of his game looked pretty good otherwise. Blackett was being caught out by simple balls over the top to destro time and again similarly amongst other things.
Anyway, Keane after that did well in his appearance vs Sunderland. I think some of the comments on here about his performances in pre season are now being based on his last appearance vs MK dons which was a clusterfeck for everyone and where his reputation took a beating.
With our all defenders too much you are only good as you're last or last 2/3 performances goes on here.
Edit - Also 3 at the back suits Blackett more than a back 2. While Keane is probably better in a back 2.
Keane looks a far more natural centre back. Blackett could very easily fall into the championship. Keane has a very good chance of becoming a PL defender.
I will be annoyed if we sell Michael Keane. He's one of the players I was looking forward to seeing break through this season having watched him on his loan spells. He'd have had plenty of first team games ahead of McNair had he not gone on loan. In a way it's unfortunate but there's no way he could have known we would be so jinxed re (defensive) injuries. I really like him. He's good on the ball, good at bringing it out from the back and doesn't shirk his defensive duties. A good aerial threat during set-pieces as well. I really see him having a future here. I hope we keep him. I was gutted that we sold Lawrence and I will be even more so if we sell Keane.
Disagree. Keane didn't really impress me in pre-season where as Blackett did. I had actually forgotten Keane played at MK Dons so that has nothing to do with my opinion on him. Now I didn't see Keane at Leicester so I can't say how he did there but purely from the pre-season games and the odd reserve game I've watched he does not strike me as United quality. Will go on to become a good player (like SHawcross) but nothing that makes us regret selling him.
He was lack of confidence in those first team matches he played for us this season really,especially MKDons when he gave out possession for countless times.It's like watching 2 different players.I don't know which Reserves games you've watched but he was already too good for the Reserves for at least the last 2 seasons.
Also not sure pre-season is a good way to judge players.I don't have anything against Blackett but his performances this season don't warrant him to be ahead of Keane even considering the age gap.
I think McNair and Blackett have more of a future at United than Keane.
Apparently QPR also want him.'Arry want him to partner Caulker.
I wouldn't actually mind if he was loaned around until his 23. Then he can came back as one of the best premier league defenders if he grows into his potential. But it will hardly happen, as he will want to make a definite move at some point of his career..
I think he can be better than Evans and at least the same quality as Shawcross
I think he can be better than Evans and at least the same quality as Shawcross
3 to 4 million being talked about.
Couldn't see it been that much, anything north of £3 million would be a transfer record for them.
That's been the talk and if they don't pay QPR and some other clubs looking at it too.
It's a good potential investment with good upside for them either way if we are indeed selling. Actually it's cheap for a young English talent these days.
I just hope that we will put some percentage of profit of the next transfer into it.
If we're selling Keane I would think Thorpe might be on his way soon as well.
Don't think we would stand in the way of Thorpe leaving permanently or on loan given a good offer.
Robbery. He is worth 7m in today's market. I think he can be a Ryan Shawcross level player in the future.
He's not going to make it here, £4m is good money.
I think he has a higher potential ceiling than Shawcross actually. He is quicker, can play fullback too and technically better.
Aye you could be right I suppose & not a bad fee for us, but maybe we could hang fire until after we have played them though, so we can disrupt their starting line up a bit!
Where's the full story on Goal?Haven't seen it yet.
Good deal for all parties I think. 4m is a very good return for a youth product whom I doubt will make it here. Some people here seem to think every half decent academy product should be making the first team, but to even get 1 or 2 academy players to be a consistent starter per crop is a very good return. At his age, Keane hasn't shown to be at the same standard of even Smalling or Jones at the same age, both whom I don't rate as top class either. Hopefully we have a buy-back clause or future % sell on clause included in his contract in case he has a Gary Cahill type career. On a tangent, I wonder what we'll be doing with Will Keane. I had him pegged in as a cert when he was 18, so dissapointing the way his career has gone.
If we sell him for £4 million it'll be the signing of the season
How long is his contract? Maybe it's better to loan him till the end of the season and if he does well, we can keep him, or sell him for more money?
This club doesn't speak sense.
Hes being sold.
Crazy if true. If nothing else, Michael should wait until the summer to make sure he's joining a PL team. Surely United should wait before making any decision, give him another 2 or 3 years, either at United or on loan.
Surely there will be some relegation clause.Either way we should just extend his loan and if he does well for the rest of this season his value would easily go up by a large margin.This club is suck when it comes to transfer strategy.
No issue with a low fee if there is a buy back clause put in
We keep McNair and Blackett and let Keane go - insane! He is a better defender than those 2 will ever be
From the times I've seen Keane he has always appeared incredibly slow and particularly slow on the turn. Much like Scott Wootton was. Shawcross is athletic, Keane isn't particularly.