I thought the last speech was the most moving part - and Paris' bit. No child deserves to lose a parent. The rest of the memorial wasn't moving, though. Not that it matters.
Michael jackson Memorial
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Agreed, I thought it was very moving especially his daughter speaking at the end. Brought tears to my eyes.
I agree. The whole thing was just very strange.
I have no doubt it was moving for the people who worshipped him and loved him, and those of his closest friends and family and fans who wanted to say goodbye in a fashion that befitted the greatest entertainer most of the world has ever seen. In other words, the people who it was actually meant for.
I don't get what was strange. People who knew him and worked with him either spoke about him or sang in tribute to him, plus his family were up on stage for the final part. I fail to see the strangeness.
I liked MJ as much as anyone during the 80s. In fact Bad was the first album I ever bought. You don't forget things like that.
The family bit made sense but the rest of it just didn't really feel like a memorial. It was more like a concert. That guitar bloke was very weird.
No, it was a funeral. And in all honesty it didn't differ too much from most funerals. It was just on a much larger. and much grander scale. I am sure if you sat and watched the funeral Mrs Smith from number 93 who lived down the road from you on TV with the partially deaf vicar and the multitudes of old people signing out of time and out of note to cheesy bible songs you might find it a bit strange as well. However you would at least understand that for the people who were close to Mrs Smith, it was a heartbreaking moment and I would hope you would have the decency not to make crude jokes.
For somebody who was one of the greatest musicians of all time, how can you have a memorial without his music?
Aye you liked him, along with tens of millions of others.
But equally there are millions of others who worshipped him, and there are millions of others who loved him, these are the people this memorial was for.
yeah john mayer, didnt even say a word. very odd...
Oh come on there is no rule book to how a funeral should be conducted. Funerals are usually sad and depressing and make people feel worse. Michael's was spot on in my eyes, it celebrated his life, not mourned his death. And what better way to celebrate the life of Michael Jackson? I would pick that type of funeral over the standard every time for myself. I have been to traditional church funerals, and they are ghastly.
I get what you mean but there was so much joking from the commentators and stuff (bbc) it just seemed a pretty relaxed affair. Everytime someone said blanket I thought they were joking. Is that actually his kids name?
A guitarist in playing a guitar without speaking shocker?
True. I was at my cousin's funeral yesterday, it was very emotional and very sad. God spurs me it's a long, long way away but when I go I want my funeral to be a celebration of my life rather than mourning my death. I want my favourite songs played, I want to be in my United shirt and scarf and I want people to wear their favourite teams' football shirts. Some people may say it's not appropriate but that's the way I want it.
It wasnt even close to a concert atmosphere. The mood was very sombre like a memorial service. Most of the songs and tributes reflected that essence perfectly. This was much like other black people funerals ive been to except as SmashedHombre said, on a much larger and grander scale. Its a sad occasion but there are always jokes throughout to liven the mood and remember the best things about the person.
As a fan of MJ, I thought the memorial was brilliant...I love John Mayer playing Human Nature on guitar.
Trevor Nelson and his yank sidekick can feck right off though, twats.
Trevor Nelson and his yank sidekick can feck right off though, twats.
Ha no, it's a nickname. His real name is Prince
I though Prince was the older child?
They're both called Prince Michael aren't they, so thats where the nickname came from. That and the kid liked blankets.
Look, it was a memorial, not a funeral, and it was for the the people who loved him. If they loved it thats all that matters. As Smashed says, it was for them...and I hope they enjoyed it and found it profound. I very much doubt that anyone in the world is remotely bothered that a bunch of people on a Man United forum cracked a few jokes throughout it. It wasn't for us. The family bit was emotional, the rest wasn't...a lot of it was quite silly and farcical
You can come on here and pour scorn on us for being childish, but I don't really give a shit. I didn't know him, I don't know anyone who did know him but I liked his music very much and I'm sad he's dead. However it's of no relevance how 'respectful' some of us were. It's a tiny insignificant spec on the horison.
Lets not have this whole argument again, there's already at 50 page thread on it
You can come on here and pour scorn on us for being childish, but I don't really give a shit. I didn't know him, I don't know anyone who did know him but I liked his music very much and I'm sad he's dead. However it's of no relevance how 'respectful' some of us were. It's a tiny insignificant spec on the horison.
Lets not have this whole argument again, there's already at 50 page thread on it
Ah so its kinda like George Foremans kids.
Prince Jackson and Prince Jackson II. Not sure why they call him Blanket, maybe he always carried a security blanket with him or something. I'm sure someone knows though
sincher has just suppressed a horrible joke
Half of the performers were probably only there to see what they can make out it, to be honest. Except of course family. The children for the most part were chewing gum. It's not like they weren't old enough to understand on some level whats happened. But meh its not my place to say, fair dues they did it for him and if it makes them all feel better its no bad thing. Our morality may be at question, but...but, something or something.
I bet his family would have cared.
And you're wrong, how can a lack of respect to another human being be of no significance? And to be honest I don't care what you think, however there were those on here who did love Michael, and this is a thread to celebrate his passing. It is a memorial thread for Christ sakes and it doesn't matter how you feel about a human, making jokes about their memorial whilst it is being held is crass and nothing more. If you want to make jokes, fine but this is neither the time nor the place because unlike you, there are probably some people who were very moved and upset by it all.
I would say that whoever that american was and trevor nelson should be ashamed of themselves, some of the ceremony was a little cringeworthy but to be sat there cracking jokes and sniggering is highly inappropriate given the position they were in as commentators.
Some of the eulogies were cringeworthy as I said but that was to be more than expected given the people giving them and the person they were there to bury. The one thing that made me feel most uncomfortable was the feeling of intrusion, here we have someone who is an icon and that makes you feel you almost know them, but in the time of death and the family grieving and burying a human, it was an altogether sad realisation that we really didn't know him at all.
Still he has left us with some fantastic memories and music and that will be remembered forever. RIP Michael Jackson.
Some of the eulogies were cringeworthy as I said but that was to be more than expected given the people giving them and the person they were there to bury. The one thing that made me feel most uncomfortable was the feeling of intrusion, here we have someone who is an icon and that makes you feel you almost know them, but in the time of death and the family grieving and burying a human, it was an altogether sad realisation that we really didn't know him at all.
Still he has left us with some fantastic memories and music and that will be remembered forever. RIP Michael Jackson.
As a Michael Jackson fan, I don't think there is a problem with the odd joke. Feck, I even joked at my Grandad's funeral. If humour isn't going to offend, then I don't see it being a problem. There is not enough humour in the world.
I don't see why we can't celebrate his life and find humour in it.
Oh I can appreciate humour. Jokes were being cracked during my cousin's funeral yesterday about how he loved the women and how if you'd stood still long enough he'd have bought and sold you. We laughed as we remembered it but it's another thing mocking people standing up in front of many others pouring their hearts out whilst in a vunerable state.
I'd agree on the Nelson and his American side-kick part, actually it was more the American I thought who lacked a bit of tact.
On reflection too i don't believe the kids should have played such a prominent role at the end. Seemed like something i'd have preferred they kept private as it's understandably a tough tough time for them.
Overall it was what most people would have expected, fair play too to Shaheen who did well at such a young age.
On reflection too i don't believe the kids should have played such a prominent role at the end. Seemed like something i'd have preferred they kept private as it's understandably a tough tough time for them.
Overall it was what most people would have expected, fair play too to Shaheen who did well at such a young age.
Who, the Luther King family who compared Jackson to a man vastly superior (their own father) or the hangers on, like Brooke Shield. Don't buy into all of them, 'coming out of the woodwork' strikes a resonating tone I feel.
No, his brothers and sisters.
It's not a Memorial Thread....it's a thread about his Memorial. Big difference. The Michael Jackson appreciation thread I haven't said anything but praise in.
And I respectfully diagree that I should feel any guilt for notshowing reverance. I would never dream of saying anything to those close to Michael Jackson...That would be incredibly crass, and if I was there I would sit there and be as respectful as it was possible to be. However I feel no moral binding to be sensative to people who don't know and/or were not close to Jackson.
In my view, people who actually 'love' someone they've never met or known personally are not the type of people I'm bothered about offending. You don't know me. You don't know how respectful and kind and gracious I may or may not be to those around me, those I care about or how empathatic i may be. You don't know how many charities I donate too.
I am, I'd like to think, a normal, rounded person who can, at times, make light of certain situations I'm extremely detatched from...I feel comfortable doing this on an English Football Forum. I'm really not bothered by it...anyone who is incredibly wound up by it is living in a naive fantasy land much like the one Jackson was in and need to accept the perameters of social behaviour and move on.
If somethings funny, it's funny. I will think they're funny regardless of the situation. There are times and places however, where I would never dream of letting these thoughts out in public, out of decency and empathy. A Manchester United Football forum is not one of these places, I'm sorry
The vast majority of us don't give a shit, think he deserved a couple hours of news coverage and are a bit creeped out by all this attention to a clearly fecked up and probably criminal individual.
Which of course would be all well and good if they were say on sky news hours after his death gassing away like uri gellar. I would assume these people would have been chosen to speak by the organisers and the family.
Ah well. Fair enough, I suppose. I failed to notice his Mum and Dad though - did they go to the event? (Just wondering, not making a point or anything)
2 points in bold i'd disagree with to be honest
His brothers and so on getting up to speak and some quite distasteful comments about their appearances, speeches etc.
I think his mum was there but didn't notice his dad.
I also thought Usher's part was quite moving.
It's not based at their lose though was it? I mean, laughing about Jermaine Jackson's hair being painted on could and would have happened last year, the year from now, even when he dies. The nature of life.
I thought for example, Brooke Shields constant referral to heart conditions was slightly uninspired, considering the circumstances.
Polls are saying quite the opposite. 65% of people think the coverage is completely overblown.
And paying off family's to sleep with boys, as well as showing porno magazines to Corey Feldman when he was 11 is exactly what pedophiles do.