Michael Carrick

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i've been reading a couple of posts on this forum that've been getting on my tits big time.

for one thing, people are questioning Carrick's worth to our squad, moaning: 'what did he do against Reading, and Arse?'

my interpretation of this is that all they want to see from a central midfield player is barn-storming runs into the box, crunching tackles, and shots from distance to work the 'keeper.

we were wasteful in possession against the Arse. Carrick came on for the last 10-15 minutes, and his immediate impact was to rectify this. we kept the ball much better, and he even played an incisive pass behind the Arse back four for Ole.

we were much better in possession against Reading, and passed the ball really well. a major part of this was due to Carrick. not only that, but i can recall several similarly incisive passes he played that switched or opened up play to create chances, such as the delightful reverse-ball to Rooney which was (wrongly) adjudged to be offside.

i won't even speak of his positional play, interceptions and general defensive contributions.

i admit i've been a fan of Carrick's since his first season with Spurs, but i seriously don't understand some people on here. you wonder whether they actually pay attention to what players do on the pitch.
 
It's the way things are in this day and age.

The fact that everyone can watch games on telly and Internet, means that every loon who's never touched a football in their life, think they are experts of the game, which means that if a player don't stand out immediately, they will be criticised immediately.
 
He's a decent enough, tidy player, just a bit bland and uninspirational. He's certainly not top drawer. For 18 million I want the full package.
 
Billy Bollocks said:
He's a decent enough tidy player, just a bit bland. Certainly not top drawer. For 18 million I want the full package.
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Why is important to you what we paid for him? :confused:
 
Because for that amount of you are expecting something special, and Carrick isn't. For what it's worth I'd much rather have kept the money and used O'Shea and Fletch in the centre and waited until the right player became available.
 
Billy Bollocks said:
Because for that amount of you are expecting something special, and Carrick isn't. For what it's worth I'd much rather have kept the money and used O'Shea and Fletch in the centre and waited until the right player became available.
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Who is the right player?

Carrick is better than O'Shea and Fletch.

Who says we can't buy this "right player" when he becomes available anyway?
 
Carrick will prove to be a great buy. He'll be a major asset especially in Europe where possession is so important in breaking up a defence with one quick splitting pass.

Fletcher and O'Shea in the middle offers no creativity at all.
 
Hargreaves for one - a real, agressive, box to box midfielder. What gets me about that one is Fergie was banging on about being a big fan of him, yet only showed a real interest after his performances in the WC. We could have had him a while ago, and for a lot cheaper.

We'd been after a midfielder for god knows how long and Fergie decides to go for Carrick after one decent game in the WC, and for 18 mill. Didn't make any sense to me, he was not the type of player we needed. It was a panic buy.

Carrick being better than Fletch is up for debate. It's certainly not the case on this seasons form. And JOS is a different type of player.
 
Billy Bollocks said:
Hargreaves for one - a real, agressive, box to box midfielder. What gets me about that one is Fergie was banging on about being a big fan of him, yet only showed a real interest after his performances in the WC. We could have had him a while ago, and for a lot cheaper.

We'd been after a midfielder for god knows how long and Fergie decides to go for Carrick after one decent game in the WC. Didn't make any sense to me. It was a panic buy.

Carrick being better than Fletch is up for debate. It's certainly not the case on this seasons form. And JOS is a different type of player.
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Again, I ask some obvious questions:

How do you know whether and when Sir Alex showed interest in Hargreaves?

Why did United bid for Carrick before the world cup started, if Sir Alex decided to go for Carrick after one decent World cup game?

Carrick is better than Fletcher. It is not up for debate.
 
Billy Bollocks said:
Because for that amount of you are expecting something special, and Carrick isn't. For what it's worth I'd much rather have kept the money and used O'Shea and Fletch in the centre and waited until the right player became available.
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Its too early to make a proper judgement on Carrick. There have been several United players who went on to have very good careers at the club who were probably less impressive in their early days than Carrick. Not everyone was like Cantona, Ruud, Yorke, Stam etc and settled in quickly.
 
Carrick has settled in well, i thought. His inter-changing partnership with Scholes on Saturday was delightful to watch at times.
 
I've answered enough of your dumb questions. Take your blinkers off and have a read.

I hope I'm proved wrong, mind, but he'll be nothing more than an average player for us. And we could have picked one of those up for a lot less.
 
Michel04 said:
Why arent people willing to give him time?
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Because muppets, disguised as football fans, don't give players time.

For the record, Carrick was not the type of midfielder I think we should have gone for. But he is a good player, will be an important player for us over time.
 
Billy Bollocks said:
I've answered enough of your dumb questions. Take your blinkers off and have a read.

I hope I'm proved wrong, mind, but he'll be nothing more than an average player for us. And we could have picked one of those up for a lot less.
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Did you say the same about Jaap Stam after a few games?
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Again, I ask some obvious questions:

How do you know whether and when Sir Alex showed interest in Hargreaves?

Why did United bid for Carrick before the world cup started, if Sir Alex decided to go for Carrick after one decent World cup game?

Carrick is better than Fletcher. It is not up for debate.
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I agree with the cnut:D

Carrick is better. He can pick out a pass, plays excellent through balls, and doesn't hold the ball for no reason or try stupid things. This is something we haven't had since Beckham
 
He's an excellent football player and sad to say but we have to many idiots for fans.

However I still don't think will see the best of him, till after we have signed a physical ball winner. I'm happy to wait though.
 
thoward said:
Its too early to make a proper judgement on Carrick. There have been several United players who went on to have very good careers at the club who were probably less impressive in their early days than Carrick. Not everyone was like Cantona, Ruud, Yorke, Stam etc and settled in quickly.
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Good point, although if I remember correctly Stam took a while to settle, remember one of his first games he was given the round around by Anelka, but we all know how great a player he ended up being.

Pallister is another player who didn't make the best start, yet went on to become a member of the best defensive unit we ever had under Fergie.

Carrick will do well for us, he clearly needs a ball winner alongside him.His creativity is wasted when he drops back to cover, as he has to do now due to the absence of a genuine ball winner.He'll come good, I think his genuine ability will come to the fore more so in the European games.Give the lad time, yes we paid way over the odds for him, but that's not his fault, give him a chance.
 
He's been average so far.And unless i can see into the future i'll continue to see how he turns out.
 
Its weird. Im no expert either but i can see that hes there to do a job. Why people want a defensive midfielder who sits deep and starts attacks, to suddently drive us on Keane style, mystifies me. Against Reading he was very good. There was a thread asking why he was invisible. How often to we watch Chelsea and go, feck, how the hell did Makelele do that? Never.

Carrick passes it beautifuly and tackles pretty well. Infact he should be getting more credit for how well hes been in that department, that has really surprised me. In every game hes played hes handled things defensively. Ok he isnt as good as a Makelele and doesnt get stuck in like Gattuso would, but hes got a good array of skills which will do our midfield a lot of good.
 
redjoe said:
Good point, although if I remember correctly Stam took a while to settle, remember one of his first games he was given the round around by Anelka, but we all know how great a player he ended up being.

Pallister is another player who didn't make the best start, yet went on to become a member of the best defensive unit we ever had under Fergie.

Carrick will do well for us, he clearly needs a ball winner alongside him.His creativity is wasted when he drops back to cover, as he has to do now due to the absence of a genuine ball winner.He'll come good, I think his genuine ability will come to the fore more so in the European games.Give the lad time, yes we paid way over the odds for him, but that's not his fault, give him a chance.
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He didnt have a good game in the Charity Shield(but then most players didnt and in the Arsenal league game only Beckham played better than him) but in the vast majority of games early on he played very well and in my opinion he was possibly Uniteds most consistent player that season.
 
Billy Bollocks said:
Because for that amount of you are expecting something special, and Carrick isn't. For what it's worth I'd much rather have kept the money and used O'Shea and Fletch in the centre and waited until the right player became available.
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One of the most retarded, spastic posts I've every seen.

Billy my friend, you talk utter complete bollocks.

I whole-heartedly agree with the original posters assesment and I still think theres more to come from Carrick.
 
Some fans talk utter bollox (one comes to mind) Carrick may be awful carrick may be great for utd. As posts say about Stam, being dissapointing at first, you just have to wait!
 
Billy Bollocks said:
Because for that amount of you are expecting something special, and Carrick isn't. For what it's worth I'd much rather have kept the money and used O'Shea and Fletch in the centre and waited until the right player became available.
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We signed a premiership proven international player in Carrick initially for 14 million increasing to 18 million dependent on appearances, success etc. Chelsea payed 16 million for a complete unknown in Obi Mikel.

I know who i think got the better deal.

For you to say you'd rather see O shea and Fletcher as the central midfield pairing over buying Carrick is ridiculous.

Carrick is a great player. For us to see the best of him he needs an out an out defensive minded midfielder next to him in the centre.

Hopefully Fergie will persist with his pursuit of Hargreaves. A Carrick Hargreaves partnership would be awesome. With the experience of Scholes and the emerging talent of Fletcher (did i really say that?) our central midfield area would be very healthy.

Give Carrick a fecking chance people! Jesus.
 
Correct, he didn't cost 18 million, he cost 14. If he ends up costing 18. it will probably mean he was worth it.

He's a class act, Carrick...not quite what we needed perhaps, but I'm glad we've got him.

GarethW said:
For us to see the best of him he needs an out an out defensive minded midfielder next to him in the centre.
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Wrong
 
Its debateable who he needs next to him. Personally i think it has to be someone who gets stuck in, and gets around the pitch. Sort of box to box. Players like Vieira, or what this Reo Coker seems to be like.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Why is important to you what we paid for him? :confused:
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Because price is an important factor when you buy new player. If he costs 12 million for instance, and for that money you can get three players as good as him, then you're a fool if you buy him.
 
Sarni said:
Because price is an important factor when you buy new player. If he costs 12 million for instance, and for that money you can get three players as good as him, then you're a fool if you buy him.
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for the 14 mil we paid for him.. we wont get two players as good as him.. forget three..

he is proven in the prem.. look at how lost spurs are this season without him controlling the midfield..

dont think even keano became the keano we love within 5 matches??

this guy has impressed whenever he has beeen on field.. given sometime for him to know his teammates and vice versa .. he will become a very very important player
 
DevilsOwn said:
for the 14 mil we paid for him.. we wont get two players as good as him.. forget three..

he is proven in the prem.. look at how lost spurs are this season without him controlling the midfield..

dont think even keano became the keano we love within 5 matches??

this guy has impressed whenever he has beeen on field.. given sometime for him to know his teammates and vice versa .. he will become a very very important player
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I'm not saying Carrick isn't worth his price, I just pointed out why fee is important when it comes to judge player.
 
Sarni said:
I'm not saying Carrick isn't worth his price, I just pointed out why fee is important when it comes to judge player.
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true.. unlike a chelsea.. we do have to look at our bank account!!
 
marcus agrippa said:
i've been reading a couple of posts on this forum that've been getting on my tits big time.

for one thing, people are questioning Carrick's worth to our squad, moaning: 'what did he do against Reading, and Arse?'

my interpretation of this is that all they want to see from a central midfield player is barn-storming runs into the box, crunching tackles, and shots from distance to work the 'keeper.

we were wasteful in possession against the Arse. Carrick came on for the last 10-15 minutes, and his immediate impact was to rectify this. we kept the ball much better, and he even played an incisive pass behind the Arse back four for Ole.

we were much better in possession against Reading, and passed the ball really well. a major part of this was due to Carrick. not only that, but i can recall several similarly incisive passes he played that switched or opened up play to create chances, such as the delightful reverse-ball to Rooney which was (wrongly) adjudged to be offside.

i won't even speak of his positional play, interceptions and general defensive contributions.

i admit i've been a fan of Carrick's since his first season with Spurs, but i seriously don't understand some people on here. you wonder whether they actually pay attention to what players do on the pitch.
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The problem isn't what Carrick has got, the problem is what virtually every fan can see the team needs is what he hasn't got. Carrick is an excellent midfielder, his vision and passing are excellent, he is an adequate defensive player, but we can all see that we need an enforcer, which he isn't, and seeing he was our bid money summer signing he gets the stick.

It isn't fair but there you go.
 
I think it is ridiculous to even begin to judge Carrick yet. I think a player should always be given at least six months before you should start criticising.
 
DevilsOwn said:
true.. unlike a chelsea.. we do have to look at our bank account!!
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Yes, we do.

We can overpay for players who will add some extra-ordinary quality to our squad, such as Rooney or Ronaldo, we can't pay over the odds for players that will only complete it.

For example, at the moment we need a midfielder pretty much, and if Fergie is sure that this or the other one is suitable for that role, then he can pay any price to bring him. Last piece of a jigsaw, they call it, because everything but midfield is sorted out.
 
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