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We need to find a proper replacement for him and FAST. We are making the same mistake we did with replacing Scholes.
I can understand why is this thread bumped but let's not get Carricked away. We were missing Herrera in midfield as no8 not much Carrick as no6. He has done fantastic job as no6, apart one mistake which will obviously cloud someone's opinion. But to keep Chelsea at 21% possesion at home delitign Fabregas and co at STamford Bridge is fecking fantastic. Say what you want, Carrick wouldn't do a better job today.. It was Herera's neverending movement which made it very difficult for them to close him down. His deffensive stats are impressive as his passing acc 95%. I will copy it from other thread
5 interceptions (most on the pitch)
3 tackles
110 touches (most on the pitch)
95% pass accuracy (most on the pitch)
93 passes (most on the pitch, and more than Fábregas, Matic and Zouma combined)
he also won couple of freekickes and got their player booked
So no need for Carrick, just for another expansive creative midfielder as no8. Shame Rooney wasn't up to it, too tidy. If Blind and Carrick aren't fit for the next game I want to see diMaria instead of Rooney and him up front..
5 interceptions (most on the pitch)
3 tackles
110 touches (most on the pitch)
95% pass accuracy (most on the pitch)
93 passes (most on the pitch, and more than Fábregas, Matic and Zouma combined)
he also won couple of freekickes and got their player booked
So no need for Carrick, just for another expansive creative midfielder as no8. Shame Rooney wasn't up to it, too tidy. If Blind and Carrick aren't fit for the next game I want to see diMaria instead of Rooney and him up front..
We missed Carrick cause Herrera was a nr. 6 instead of him and with Carrick he'd be a nr. 8, much more closer to the goal and thus more dangerous.
With Di Maria in midfield instead of Rooney in the next game I think we'd be too open.
I'd say you're wrong for a few reasons. People like to throw the passing stat up as an indication that someone's done a job comparable to an in-form Carrick - they did it with Blind earlier in the season too - but with Carrick, it's not just the sheer amount of passes he makes, it's the choice of pass, and the quickness of thought that makes him stand apart. 99 times out of a 100, Carrick will pick the right pass... and not only that, he knows exactly which pass he is going to play and the perfect time too play it, often even before he has the ball at his feet. It's that quickness of thought and intelligence and elligance on the ball that makes him stand apart, it is not just a number. Also, there is a huge physiological benefit to having Carrick on the pitch that has been fairly evident over the past few weeks - when he's around, everyone else is a lot calmer in possession and more assured on the ball and in their pass - as if they always know that Carrick is behind them in case things go wrong... that is why we play better football when he's around.
Also, from simply looking at the game - Carrick wouldn't have let Hazard go anywhere near as easily as Herrera... nor would he have given the ball away to create the chance that Hazard hit the post from - thus Chelsea wouldn't have created their two biggest chances in the game.
This isn't to criticise Herrera - at all... he did a very good, admirable job in a position he doesn't play in, and to not be able to do it to the level of someone like Carrick is hardly a criticism.
Yeah I am in agreement with that, we simply missed another midfielder of ander quality as no8 but he himself did the job as no6 really well so my statement was rather about the fact that I am delighted that we found another player who can make a brilliant job as no6 hence once we enter the market we may want to look for another b2b than strictly defensive minded/deep lying playmaker. With more muscles would be fine..
And yeah you're perhaps right but IMO it would be better to play two players in their natural positions, Rooney up front and diMaria in the side as b2b than next to useless and leaving Falcao up front and average Rooney in midfield. But yeah we need balance..
We need a mid who can play both nr. 6 and nr. 8 and play it good. not strictly def. midfielder but b2b who is good also defensively. Basically I think we think similar on the subject.
Maybe this is why LVG wants to sign Strootman. He would be ideal.
If Hazard ran past Carrick, Carrick wouldn't be able to do a thing.
Overall I agree we missed Carrick, but Herrera did a great job, what we missed more than Carrick at 6 was Herrera at 8.
Carrick wouldn't have let him run past him as he probably would have been a few yards deeper to give himself a better chance of matching the run - either way, he probably would have been more alert/aware of Hazard because he's more defensively inclined.
First of all I am not in disagreement with what you say mostly. I feel the same about Carrick picking the right passes, well he's experienced player and should be doing that, he also played that positions for several years. So here he's surely ahead of Herrera who played there for us for the first time as back up and I am not sure how much he spent playing as no6 at Bilbao or Zaragoza before.
One think why Carrick looks so good recently is the fact that he has Herrera infront of him, he massively helps him to make space with his clever and neverending movement, quick one twos... On the other hand Herrera for the first time as no6 had to cope with Rooney infront of him and cut off Fellaini, Rooney is at times very immobile player in terms of ball control, he just simply can't do what Herrera does for Carrick. Fellaini was out of the game man-marked by Zouma and the center of the pitch was hard to get through, also the wide spaces were doubled a lot so he didn't really had so much space to pick some sublime passes. With the quickness of thought I think they are on the same level. But again that's carrick's natural position, Herrera is just discovering that perspective, the more he would play there the quicker he would think about the possible passes and the game.
Another thing is the pass consistency.. I agree that Carrick is up there with the top and isn't that error prone as Herrera, but everybody can make a mistake and with 95% pass acc, it will always be very few.. The thing Herrera is destroying Carrick is his touch and movement, he can receive the ball under pressure, can very easily turn around player and is always availible, our play is much quicker how he links the both sides of the pitch.
You are pointing out that wouldn't have let Hazard go anywhere near as easily as Herrera, that's wrong imo, everyone has it's own ways how to shield the ball and get away from player, Carrick does it with his body strength really well but Herrera's quick feet and skill to get away from players is invaluable in some situations. I remember how Carrick lost the ball against Liverpool and we conceded goal to dramatize the game, it was his inability to get away from these situations.. But it can happen.
Carrick is a great player and one of his strongest assets is his experience and passing consistency but I believe it won't take that long to Herrera surpass him even at Carrick's prefered position as he is simply world class talent which to me players show for instance by quickly adjusting to unfamiliar roles on the pitch. I also don't think that Carrick would have better game alongside Rooney and man-marked Fellaini. Haven't seen him being as dominant in such away fixture tbh.
And one more thing why I think Herrera could master this positions quite quickly is that his defensive contribution is on different level to Carrick. But Herrera's basically pressing all game. 5 interceptions, 3 tackles, 5 clearances, getting two players booked only this is fantastic display for purely defensive player who is in the team just to clear the danger and pass the ball to his team mates - but as we all know Herrera can add much more to that. One last question is: Can he prove me right that he can soon be our no1 player there? I am not sure as he will always be preferred as no8 but if we somehow got mad and bought someone like Pogba I would really like him to orchestrate the game from the deeper role like he did against Chelsea. We will see.
Thats the thing though, I agree in principle, but Herrera was actually aware of Hazard, he moved to where he was to an aggressive position because he anticipated a pass from Fab to Hazard rather than to Oscar (that was his mistake) after that pass went to Oscar Hazard ran off him, tbh Herrera should have been more aware at this point, but even then he was fecked already. That kind of thing can and does happen to Carrick too although less often, uusally too Carrick is smart enough to commit the foul.
goddamn..
Can't have Rooney in midfield again, we need Carrick fit for the Everton match.
If he's not fit, Blind will jump in.
Didn't realise Blind is back, we desperately need him in CM and Rooney back up front.
If he's not fit, Blind is fit and will play CM. Its Everton, let's not act as if we don't have a team good enough to beat them without Carrick. We'll need to sign a replacement for him, as he has started picking up injuries frequently, and I think this trend will continue due to his age. There are quite a number of good players out there we should be looking at as replacement.
As I heard he should be back for sunday.
No Carrick. No points.
I miss the smooth, handsome, rugged bastard.
I miss the smooth, handsome, rugged bastard.
This
I don't think with his discipline Everton would have scored the goals they did today.
Save our season, Carrick.
Shows how utterly important he is. We are a different side when he plays.
He is our most important player without doubt...
When is he back?!
Absolutely imperative we find apt replacement for the future, also. Blind is just not that.
We're fecked next season if we don't get our midfield signing right.
Sounds about right...
We need him badly
Embarassing how bad we look when we can't play him.
I still can't believe people think Blind is anywhere near remotely as good as him.
I still can't believe people think Blind is anywhere near remotely as good as him.
Badly missed. Hope he's back for next week.
Yep. The priority signing has to be a Carrick replacement. He is just so, so crucial to us.
Bloody hell, no Carrick, no points
I guess he's still a couple of weeks away? Maybe have him for Palace away?
Coming in to say the same thing. Soon as he gets injured, we go back to slow, predictable football. Our most important player.
When will he be back?
Not only that. He brings calmness to our defence rather than Blind who goes charging up.
Fecking invisible today, might as well retire. Ok ok, I'll stop..
Just saw a statistic that we won 72% with Carrick and 32% without him.
Probably our most important player at this time, Blind is doing a decent job, but he still has a lot to learn.
Probably our most important player at this time, Blind is doing a decent job, but he still has a lot to learn.
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