I'm still a newbie and on a 3 post daily, so don't expect reply, but:
Let's bust some myths:
You cannot compare a complete inferior Copa to the Euro, you just can't. You got no qualifications, most teams are an absolutely joke, you had a ridiculous group of 5, where 4 teams goes forward, and your knockout phase start from 1/4.
How exactly you can compare this to the Euro, where you have super hard qualifiers, and the groups are pure nightmare with 1 bad result and you may be out of the tournament ???? No comparison at all. On top of that how can you comparison a strict rule 4 year tournament, to 1-2-3 years Copa ?
2015 Copa, 2016 Copa, 2019 Copa, 2021 Copa, wth is this ? Of course he is going to win it at some point, this tournament is a joke. How can you compare the 2, when obviously one will have a lot more tournament because how often the tournament is being held ? But it's easy to be bias, right ?
As far as the Portugal Euro title, people should stop talk nonsenses. Euro is not like 3 matches with just 1 good opponent and that's it. There is things like qualification, that are not easy. If Ronaldo wasn't scoring all that years in this qualifications, most of the time Portugal wound't have end up at the biggest tournaments.
And Portugal was out of the tournament in the group stage against Hungary, if it wasn't for Ronaldo. At 1-0 for Hungary Ronaldo made perfect assists for Nani. At 2-1 for Hungary, Ronaldo equalize with a brace, and at 3-2, Ronaldo equalize again and qualify Portugal for the knockout stage.
A Euro is not just 1 match, unlike Copa, where you have totally inferior teams, and you have one of the worst Brazil in the history.
But i digress. Let me back at the Euro.
Next match, against very tough Croatia. Extra Time, 116 minute, against Ronaldo at perfect position and manage to get out of the defeners, shot towards the net, and the goalkeeper dive the ball, but it goes towards the net, and Quaresma score it from the goal line, another super important assist from Ronaldo.
Next match against very tough team of Poland. Penalty. Of course Ronaldo score the penalty.
Next match against very solid and inform team of Wales(they beat Russia 3-0, and also knocked out Belgium with 3-1). Ronaldo open the score with a stunner header. And again Ronaldo shot towards the goal, and Nani intercepted and 2-0. Goal and assists.
But yeah some people loves to talk nonsenses how Ronaldo doesn't have merits because he get injured in the final. They also completely forget what he have done at the sideline in that final .....
Copa started being relevant because of Mesi, cause of his poor International record. It's a well known facts that the media is worshiping him. When he is playing terrible - nothing. When he totally missed the mark - nothing. Yet if Ronaldo doesn't score in 1 match, he is on every single tabloid, and they are explaining how the team will be better without him or so ....
Comparing Copa with the Euro is like comparing someone who have won Liga Europe with CL.
You can compare it to Nations League. And even Nations Leagues is stronger.
And some people say Ronaldo wasn't good at the Nations League when Portugal won it, seriously?
Ronaldo didn't played at the group stages at all. He played exactly 2 matches and he scored a hattrick in the 1/2 against Switzerland.
As far as the France - Brazil dilemma, only extremely bias Barcelona fan or Ronaldo hater can claim that Brazil in terms of team is above France in the recent times. France was the big favorite since 2016 both at Euro and in the WC. They can make like 2 insanely strong team.
The big favorite at Copa is Brazil and Argentina. Yeah obviously at some point you are going to win it ....
And how can a Barcelona fan can even claim anything about Ronaldo trophy list, when Ronaldo won 3 CL in a row ??? When exactly was last CL Messi have won ? And don't talk about result, when Barcelona is a boxing bag in the CL for like 6 years and they have written the most embarrassing page in their history with result like 8-2 to Bayern, and how both Roma and Liverpool destroyed him, after a huge first leg lead. Messi was invisible, as he always is, when the things are not going their way.
It's not a comparison who the more clutch player is.
You can have your opinion, as much as you like i don't mind it.
And again:
Prime for prime, the only thing Messi had over Ronaldo was his dribble, and that's it. Ronaldo was obviously a better header player, more stronger physically, faster on both accelerating and top speed, better with the weak foot(if we call them equal with the strong one), best positioning in probably the whole history, a true leader and way more clutch, and he was also an absolutely monster 1 on 1, as people looking him currently loves to forget that. But they both were great in beating players 1on1.
P.P. One guy mention the Free Kick. Ronaldo free kick have gotten worst after he was out of his prime, and Messi managed to equalize him on that. But the Free Kicks are pretty even still 58 - 57, but in CL at the big matches it's 12-5 in favor of Ronaldo. And also 10-8 in International for Ronaldo.
And bringing this, let's bring the penalty, when Ronaldo is miles ahead of Messi.
And close control is in the department of dribbling, as i already give that to Messi. There is a thing called Ball control, but you can't make a case for either one being better. As far as the passes goes on, yeah Messi is clearly better, but Ronaldo is clearly better in the crossing in his prime. You can educated yourself as watching some of his time at US before moving to RM.
And the longevity is one of the key factor as who the greatest is in any given sport. At the end not a gifted Ballon d'Or will be the factor, but who scored more, and i can bet with anyone that this will be Ronaldo.
He is the Number 1 International goal scorer, a record every striker will wanna chase. He is the number 1 CL goal scorer, a record the best players will try to chase. He also hold the first 3 spot for most CL goals in 1 season, 17, 16 and 15. In terms of Knockout Stage phase, Ronaldo is miles ahead as well.
And he will for sure finish with more scored goals overall.
Also Ronaldo and Real was the first team to win 2 consecutive CL, damn they totally break the game and win it 3 times straight, and 4 time in 5 years time. And for that 4 CL titles - it was all Ronaldo, in that 4 years he scored 60 CL goals. I guess everyone can math, but this is 15 per season. What is the highest number Messi scored in CL? Yeah he never reached that numbers. Neither anyone.
And when people will stop spread false narratives about his Juve time?
A few facts, not biased fanboys false narratives:
Fastest player in the whole Serie A history to score 50 goal.
Most goals in a single season for Juventus in their history - 37 goals.
Most Serie A goals in a season for Juventus in their history - 31 goals.
Fastest to 100 goals not only in Juventus history, but also in Serie A history.
Also equal record for most consecutive Serie A goals - 11 straight matches, scoring 16 goals.
And all this way past his prime - yeah Goat status right here!
I don't see how exactly it was Ronaldo fault, that Juventus team was old and washed, and they didn't buy anyone decent with him, and rely exclusively on him. And how exactly anyone expect him to win anything with an average players and a coaches like Pirlo and Maurizio Sarri ?
Just look at their GK - Szczesny, a guy that get kicked off from not who, but Arsenal. And they have a history with terrible GK. That guy is making crucial errors constantly. Yeah they strengthen their squad greatly with a below average players like Ramsey and so.
They don't have a single good midfielder. And they are still relying on Alex Sandro who have been finished since like forever, and not who, but Juan Cuadrado. Their wingers were crap. And the didn't even used him the right way, neither played him in his/the right position.
But Messi fans shouldn't have the nerve to talk about results, cause everyone remember 4-1 from PSG, from 4-1, to 3-0 to Roma, from 3-0, to 4-0 to Liverpool, and the destructive 8-2 to Bayern Munich and so on.
At Juventus i remember his first season, Atletico destroyed them 2-0, and a Atletico - Ronaldo 0-3 in the rematch.
That's sums it up, who shows up when the match aren't going their way.
Yeah everyone is a fan and can have his opinion, as i have mine, and i don't like when someone is trying to twist the true and facts, and using false narratives. I don't mind people that think or prefer Messi i got no problem with it. What i got problem though is with someone trying to spread his opinion without any arguments/facts as the majority and try to make someone else mind, when obviously the other guy have totally different view.
This is from me on this thread, cause i already stated my opinion, and i don't think anyone should try to force his opinion, as everyone have his, and making 10 million forced replies aren't helping.
For me personal the debate was gone the moment Messi choose the easy path in France - PSG. It was well known fact that Guardiola wanted him badly and they were ready to pay him huge salary and he would have been in the strongest team in the England, but he obviously was too scared to come to the best league in the world.
Because La Liga teams with the exception of AM, are wide open, and scoring goals there is child play, unlike in the PL.
Also the facts that everyone is defending him, when he is in the easiest League and saying he needs time, but yet Ronaldo almost at 37 is getting slammed constantly, just because he ain't scored in 1 match, and he scored 9 goals in 11 matches. But yeah it's not like Ronaldo wasn't away for the like last 10 years, he doesn't need time/adaptation.
And as far as our placing, and that we finish second last year. Barca fans should know better. We pretty much was never in the battle for the title. And that second place was behind Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham was terrible, as well as Arsenal for awhile. Also we got quite a lot of gift VAR decision, and have tons of lucks, which sometimes you have, and other you don't. Last season we get plenty of penalty, some of which was far from real. And just like usually happen, this season they screwed us with 3 penalty that was 100% clear already.
Also just because you finish at x place at certain season, doesn't mean you will finish in the same place or higher in the next. Chelsea won the league with Mourinho, and then finished 10th, even when they didn't sell major players. We won the league back in the time, and then finished 7th.
Whatever place we are going to finish, won't be because of Ronaldo.
P.P.
Hoof The Ball your stats couldn't be more wrong. When pasting data, make sure you check it first or don't lie with it:
This is 100% recent and 100% accurate stats:
UCL knockout stage:
Messi 49 goals/12 assists, 73 apps - 129 mins per goal, 104 mins per goal contribution
Ronaldo 67 goals/15 assists, 83 apps - 110 mins per goal, 90 mins per goal contribution
UCL semi-finals
Messi 6 goals/3assists, 15 apps - 220 mins per goal, 147 mins per goal contribution
Ronaldo 13 goals/2 assists, 21 apps - 146mins per goal, 127 mins per goal contribution
UCL finals
Messi 3 apps - 2 goals - 125 mins per goal, 135 mins per goal contribution
Ronaldo 6 apps - 4 goals/1assists 158 mins per goal, 126 mins per goal contribution
I don't even need to check the other stats to look at the bias, like forgetting to put the aerial duels, penalty and so.
And since Ronaldo moved to Madrid, in all Competitions, he was scoring a goal every 84 minute. In that period Messi stats is worst - 85 minute.
And Messi have a jump start, cause he was settle down and have a way better team, while Real was building. And still Ronaldo is in front, that must be hard to accept.
And every other comparison when they are not in the same league are irrelevant. PL, and Serie A way better defensive and tactical team, and PL way better teams overall.
