You seriously want to compare heading a ball crossed in at that pace to that Messi chance?
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The thing is they weren't clear cut chances at all. What are you saying ?
I promise you this though. Ronaldo scores that.
I can guarantee he at least doesn’t send the ball into orbit hahaha
Penalties like that or like the Chile one for Messi can play a big part in the legacy of a player.
Clear cut sitter, beats three guys, ball bounces at the height of his hip, and he has barely any time to arm the leg and shoot
. Have you ever played football to call that one "a sitter"?Put it at normal speed, to see how "easy" it was reaching that ball
Hahaha Penaldo scored from the spot and he is the greatest of all time
No mate you got it the wrong way round
Ronaldo IS the greatest player of all time AND he scored a penalty
For gods sake what does the man have to do to prove it !!
You seriously want to compare heading a ball crossed in at that pace to that Messi chance?
No. FFS.
I'm comparing the likelihood of them scoring the chance. 9 times out of 10 they would have. That one time they didn't only one is considered bottling it.
Messi's chance was the easier chance but I'm not arguing about that.
Clear cut sitter, beats three guys, ball bounces at the height of his hip, and he has barely any time to arm the leg and shoot
Put it at normal speed, to see how "easy" it was reaching that ball
Coming from the same guy who said a penalty is easy is taking quite the piss no?
Clear cut sitter, beats three guys, ball bounces at the height of his hip, and he has barely any time to arm the leg and shoot
Put it at normal speed, to see how "easy" it was reaching that ball
He was what looks like the only player on the pitch going forward with the ball + the balls momentum with the defense flat footed and no one marking him.
Simple control and ‘tap in’ is all it would have took
Wouldn't be surprised if the poll will be in Ronaldo's favour by the end of the season.
The issue with this debate is that if Ronaldo was knocked out and Messi was the one who made the pen Ronaldo would be buried by any Messi fan out there. saying that this why he don't compare to Messi and blah blah. Its a double standard and always has been.
It’s crazy that after so much debate yesterday about Real being miiiiles better than Barcelona with and without Ronaldo who’d never bottle a 3 goal lead. Exactly that happened tonight and no one has brought that up.
So much better without Ronaldo yet still had to rely on him to create their best chance in dying minutes (which Vazquez messed up anyway). Ronaldo takes the only chance in the game to put his team in the Semis with a perfect penalty and now the talk is why didn’t he step up earlier?
Why not bring that up in regards to Messi yesterday? He could’ve settled it himself after 3-0 and before that he could’ve stepped up himself (that’s what people are bringing up tonight in regards to Ronaldo’s performance). Why such double standards I wonder?
Ronaldo has scored decisive penalties in 2 shootouts himself. WC QF 06 v England and CL Final v Atletico in 2016. People are making things up every passing minute.
So much better without Ronaldo yet still had to rely on him to create their best chance in dying minutes (which Vazquez messed up anyway). Ronaldo takes the only chance in the game to put his team in the Semis with a perfect penalty and now the talk is why didn’t he step up earlier?
Why not bring that up in regards to Messi yesterday? He could’ve settled it himself after 3-0 and before that he could’ve stepped up himself (that’s what people are bringing up tonight in regards to Ronaldo’s performance). Why such double standards I wonder?
Ronaldo has scored decisive penalties in 2 shootouts himself. WC QF 06 v England and CL Final v Atletico in 2016. People are making things up every passing minute.
I have a funny feeling it will be.
I didn’t see the game, but it seems that there was a fella between the sticks for Madrid who was a whole lot worse than Ronaldo.Messi was Barca's best player vs Roma but they lost -> Messi bottled
Ronaldo was Real's worst player vs Juve but they won -> Ronaldo goat
that's how people actually argue here, yikes
Lots of hyperbole from both sides, people here need to calm down
This thread is on a permanent state of having gone to shit so don't make it worse
This thread is on a permanent state of having gone to shit so don't make it worse
Clear cut sitter, beats three guys, ball bounces at the height of his hip, and he has barely any time to arm the leg and shoot
Put it at normal speed, to see how "easy" it was reaching that ball
Beats 3 guys?
So he played the ball off the Roma defender and got that bounce on purpose now. That Messi chance is perhaps a 9 times out of 10 should have scored chance.
I don't think anyone can expect that Ronaldo header to be scored 9 out of 10 times.
DOUBLE STANDARD simple. Any debate said yesterday was squashed today.
What are you on? Ronaldo does not score that 9/10 in any world. He’s a phenom no doubt but that angle with a defender draped on him, it’s more like 1/10 chances he scores that. Messi however? That’s a 9/10.
Are you mixing up names?, because I didn't say that a penalty is easy, I said that if you really want to compare how clutch they could be in their legs this week, put Messi in the same spot Ronaldo was, otherwise comparing scoring a Penalty to the crappy game Barcelona played yesterday is a long shot.
Sorry wrong person I meant to quote. my apologize
Seriously?Messi was Barca's best player vs Roma but they lost -> Messi bottled
Ronaldo was Real's worst player vs Juve but they won -> Ronaldo goat
that's how people actually argue here, yikes
Beats 3 guys?
That Messi chance is perhaps a 9 times out of 10 should have scored chance.
I don't think anyone can expect that Ronaldo header to be scored 9 out of 10 times.
He has to react to that bounce, you say that's easy?.
He gets the ball outside of the area, has 3 players to beat if he wants to be in a position to score, and he ends up in that position, it's not fancy, beautiful or in his hands, but he beats 3 defenders.
Are you kidding me?
You were arguing that Ronaldo would never allow his team to lose a 3 goal lead in the knockout stage and that is why he's the GOAT footballer etc.
Double standard? Yeah, you bet.
Seriously?
Yep. Just desperate Messi homers trying to exonerate him of any blame.
Don’t you know? Barca’s best player was the one who did a complete disappearing act. Yep.
This game shows it completely again. The thread is not about the more successful player but the better player. Ronaldo does nothing all game, his team deserve to go out but they get through. Great penalty all the same.
You guys are always completely missing the point of this thread by bringing up trophies. It's not about who has won more, it's about who the better footballer is. Hands down it's Messi. His best performances not only better Ronaldos but they shit all over them. Again (and it won't be believed unfortunately) I'm a Ronaldo fan, he's payed for my team while Messi has played for a team I dislike because they ruined our Champions League hopes twice. However on pure abilities asa player (which is what this thread is actually about, not achievements) Messi is superior by quite a margin. Ronaldo is in the tier above all others except Messi.
It simply doesn't matter if Ronaldo scores the winning goal for Madrid in a Champions League final against Barca while doing feck all if Messi has dominated the game from start to finish. The player that is the best on the pitch is the better footballer but maybe not the winner of the game. I mean is O'Shea superior to Gerrard for that last minute goal, or to Henry for the same (silly question obviously O'Shea is a better player than both).
I'll again refer to Park v Le Tissier, both top players but one won lots of trophies and one was the better footballer, who was it?
The best GAA footballer I've ever seen never won the ultimate prize at all but to bloody hell with you if you think he wasn't better than all those that actually did, but as in the case with Ronaldo I'm not saying the others were bad players, there was simply someone better at playing the game than them.
You guys are always completely missing the point of this thread by bringing up trophies. It's not about who has won more, it's about who the better footballer is. Hands down it's Messi. His best performances not only better Ronaldos but they shit all over them. Again (and it won't be believed unfortunately) I'm a Ronaldo fan, he's payed for my team while Messi has played for a team I dislike because they ruined our Champions League hopes twice. However on pure abilities asa player (which is what this thread is actually about, not achievements) Messi is superior by quite a margin. Ronaldo is in the tier above all others except Messi.
It simply doesn't matter if Ronaldo scores the winning goal for Madrid in a Champions League final against Barca while doing feck all if Messi has dominated the game from start to finish. The player that is the best on the pitch is the better footballer but maybe not the winner of the game. I mean is O'Shea superior to Gerrard for that last minute goal, or to Henry for the same (silly question obviously O'Shea is a better player than both).
I'll again refer to Park v Le Tissier, both top players but one won lots of trophies and one was the better footballer, who was it?
The best GAA footballer I've ever seen never won the ultimate prize at all but to bloody hell with you if you think he wasn't better than all those that actually did, but as in the case with Ronaldo I'm not saying the others were bad players, there was simply someone better at playing the game than them.
Well, the entire Barca team were in the act together, guess he could make a case of giving everyone 1/10 and Messi 1.1/10
He literally went straight forward. All of Roma was flat footed. Literally went by 3 flat footed defenders.
“Beat” them as if he dribbled through them all in magnificent manner
Um read my post again I said he would never allow them to lose a 3 goal lead. Meaning the god dam tie. Which he did not. he delivered when his team needed something your lover did not do.
That is actually alot in the context of their careers
Your mistaking being more talented with being the better footballer mate.
No no no and no!!
The greatest players step up in the biggest games and that's why trophies are important. Do you think Maradona gets mentioned at all if he was out injured in the summer of 1986 and didn't go?
Football is ultimately about scoring goals, not about looking pleasing on the eye.
Great player Ronnie. He needs to cut out that diving bullshit though. This incident: https://www.clippituser.tv/c/nwrkeg
His hypercompetitiveness comes out in an ugly way sometimes. Yes, there's contact but it's minimal and definitely not enough to warrant a foul. It's the gesturing for a penalty afterwards that annoys me.
One of the the best Champions League players ever.
His hypercompetitiveness comes out in an ugly way sometimes. Yes, there's contact but it's minimal and definitely not enough to warrant a foul. It's the gesturing for a penalty afterwards that annoys me.
One of the the best Champions League players ever.
Because this is where Real Madrid need Ronaldo to be
And this is where Barcelona need Messi to be
To all of you who always say "they're forwards, they're on the same role, they should do the same", the chance is created by Ronaldo, of course, not the guy that sets a pin-point pass with 8 Juve defenders ahead of him
One made the difference when needed the other didn't. Football is about small margins.
Messi fanbois can trying comparing numbers all they want to make them feel better.
End of the day, their legacies are on the line. You either pull through or choke, that’s what it comes down to and all history will remember - thus why history will remember Messi as NOT a big game player who quit.
It’s the key moment that define a career. Cruel, but true. Rondo rose to the challenge again tonight, fair play to him.
I will say with regards to this thread though. The Ronaldo fans on this thread make rooting for him so very difficult. Really guys, you are the very definition of obnoxious.
I will say with regards to this thread though. The Ronaldo fans on this thread make rooting for him so very difficult. Really guys, you are the very definition of obnoxious.
Because this is where Real Madrid need Ronaldo to be
And this is where Barcelona need Messi to be
To all of you who always say "they're forwards, they're on the same role, they should do the same", the chance is created by Ronaldo, of course, not the guy that sets a pin-point pass with 8 Juve defenders ahead of him
It’s almost as if Messi is easy to mark on headers making him inefficient in the box
Good try though
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