Hey, who changed the poll to be "Not Messi" ? This is unfair. 
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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Curious how their careers stack up after both have retired. Messi is 2 years younger.
20 percent swing off the back of one performance. 
Caf at its best.
Caf at its best.Its the other way round. I think Messi looks good because he is so good at dribbling and passing. And that's the case with Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Laudrup, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane, basically every great in the history of football and even the young Cristiano himself who I initially preferred over Messi (was pretty young back then and liked the flashy stuff he did back then).
And I am not making these things up.
https://spielverlagerung.com/2015/06/22/an-ineffective-tool/
This is from 2015 from a German tactical blog. Obviously, the PL came a long way since then and strong offensive teams like City and Liverpool do not play like this any longer. Other countries made this change quite some time ago and it is one of the reasons why the English football used to be so much behind since Guardiola's first CL title.
The transition from 4-4-2 to 4-2-3-1 to a defensiv 4-4-2 and nowadays often a 3-4-3 as well as constructions like inverted wingers, false nines and so on all had the purpose of overloading the midfield to create numerical superiority in the center. This means less space which means that close ball control (dribbling), passing ability and agility become more and more important. And that you can take less shots from a distance.
What I want to say: Crosses, at least in their "traditional definition" are useless and pretty much every modern coach will agree.
Never mind Ronaldo v Messi, just look at Real Madrid v Barcelona.
Real has 33 La Liga titles in their history, 9 more than Barca,
Yet only 19 Copa del Rey, 10 fewer than Barca.
Care to explain?
As for goals and assists, I agree they matter, but they're not equal to each other, therefore adding up together is stupid.
Cal is trying
Funny, Messi doesn´t look good, does he??
I happen to rate scoring as the most important factor in football.
You list of "every great" in football left out a lot of names, Di Stefano? Beckenbauer? Puskas? Van Basten? None of them are famous for dribbling. Also I'd argue Cristiano is a better dribbler than half the people on your list.
Messi does look good, just not very effective at the highest level.
Anyone has the stats in the match they played against, that should tell us something.
Yes, Barcelona should sell him.
Messi is probably more naturally gifted but, as of today, Ronaldo has had the more impressive career -
1. 4 ECLs to 3 (with 2 clubs)
2. Won an international tournament (with a less talented group of players than Argentina)
3. Proved he can thrive on adversity in a very different football culture (particularly 2006/2007).
1. 4 ECLs to 3 (with 2 clubs)
2. Won an international tournament (with a less talented group of players than Argentina)
3. Proved he can thrive on adversity in a very different football culture (particularly 2006/2007).
At United, probably. But according to WhoScored, Ronaldo had 2.6 dribbles per game in his first season at Real Madrid and in his second already went down to 2.0. Since then, his best result were 2.2 dribbles per game in 2014/15. This is hardly among the best dribblers in the world. Messis didn't drop below 3.5 at all and has only three seasons below 4. This season, he has 5.2 dribbles per game.
It is not as if Ronaldo had adapted his playing style due to his age. He simply decided he wanted to score more goals and stopped dribbling if not necessary. And this development already started in his first year at Real.
Wow. You're taking it to a new level now.
I've got to admit I prefer Ronaldo myself but not to the point of putting Messi down. He is a genius there's no two ways about it. Comments like those I have bolded are one of the reasons why people often don't take much of what you say seriously.
It's already been posted before, Messi has a better record in El Clasicos, pretending not to know and "asking for the stats" is not going to work. Still the 2nd best in the world...Yes, Barcelona should sell him.
Ronaldo can barely beat a man nowadays, he’s not a good dribbler.
It's true that Messi's record doesn't measure up to Ronaldo's in the CL (especially the latter stage). I'm not twisting facts.
It's funny how you decided to jump on that comment when the Messi brigade have been going on about Luiz Ronaldo and Ronaldinho.
Telling a lie a thousand times doesn´t make it true, he has four ECL.
Right, so we're using their dribbling ability at 33 to compare, half of the people on @Zehner 's list had already retired.
That he does, even though he played no part whatsoever in 2006 from the QF onwards.
whatever, he has four.
Be true to oneself Cal. Never mind what other people say. Stick to making your points about Ronaldo instead of trying to put Messi down.It's true that Messi's record doesn't measure up to Ronaldo's in the CL (especially the latter stage). I'm not twisting facts.
It's funny how you decided to jump on that comment when the Messi brigade have been going on about Luiz Ronaldo and Ronaldinho.
He does have 4, 1 of which he did little more than David May in 1999..
Messi is the GOAT. Ronaldo is the greatest goal scorer all time (GGSOAT).
He did more than Cristiano in the Euro final.
Err... Cristiano played in the final.
Messi didn't play in the CL final in 2006, nor either leg of the SF, nor either leg of the QF.
He has three plus one with an asterisk. I doubt Gerard Pique brags about winning it in 2008.
I didn't say that he isn't a great player, or that he would struggle in England. I just feel that describing Chelsea's current team in their current form as "Champions on England", verges on opportunistic. Using his performance against them as evidence isn't the strongest argument. Good as he was, scoring 3 goals in 2 games, against a vastly inferior team (... that's one more than Dele Alli in the same number of games). My other statement was that nobody is saying Messi wouldn't score against relegation candidates. So that's a strawman argument.
Last time I checked nobody was bragging about it, he has four despite he didn´t play semis and final, Ronaldo almost didn´t play the Euro final and people here are bragging that he made Portugal champ. Strange.
I have plenty of friends who are Chelsea, Arsenal and Serie A fans that think Ronaldo is the true GOAT. These things don't prove anything so your point doesn't make sense
I think part of the reason for that is because most United fans remember how explosive his dribbling was for us. Whereas most neutral fans only see the players they are today, in which Messi's better at dribbling and to an extent creating whereas Ronaldo's dribbling has declined majorly, but forget that Ronaldo's essentially been two world class players in his time (a winger/wide forward at United & a forward at Madrid).
Yup, I don't see Barcelona beating Mourinho's Chelsea without Messi's performance back in 2006. Forced a red card in that game as well.
Don't be silly, I know it's sad that Messi had 74% of the vote at one point on a United forum, but the majority of the world sees Messi as the better player there is no need to be so petty about it
4 ecl to 3? what the hell, did 2006 not happen? If that's the case then we remove Ronaldo's euro since he didn't play in the final.
And Messi can't thrive on adversity? Put Messi in the 2008 United team and he'd have United walking the league, I love how people make it sound like Ronaldo playing for two of the richest clubs in the world was overcoming adversity.
And Portugal won a Euro final without him, Argentina struggle to win a single game without Messi let alone an NT final. Messi's team is actually worse than Ronaldo, Ronaldo has the better manager and defense, and has players like Eder actually show up whereas Messi has Higuain bottling chance after chance.
Don't be silly, I know it's sad that Messi had 74% of the vote at one point on a United forum, but the majority of the world sees Messi as the better player there is no need to be so petty about it
The worst thread in the history of the internet deserves it.
The same Higuain who scored the only goal of the game against Belgium? Ok...
You said ‘is’ not ‘was’ about Ronaldo being a good dribbler.
This thread is awesome, don’t be silly
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