Not really to be honest. He spent two years playing with his great friend Neymar, he got to stay fit and work himself into form and win the World Cup. And also won 2-3 trophies at PSG while at it and probably got hundreds of millions. Seems a great two years for him personally but maybe not so for PSG.
Messi in Miami
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And he ended up with Neville's Old Boys instead.
I mean that he didn't really perform and they didn't win anything they weren't going to win anyway. I guess he got to cycle himself perfectly for the World Cup.
Football is honestly never going to be quite the same. At least we have a freak goalscorer playing for our local rivals.
Messi was on ballond'or podium at 20 while Ronaldo was on it at 22. And he was a far better footballer in his teens too. So, atleast 16 season at elite level which is one more than Cristiano. Consider both the beginning and the end, not just the end.
And than consider that Messi has always been the far better allround footballer and atleast as good a goalscorer. Ronaldo has been a fantastic goalscorer, the rest of his game has always been much Inferior.
And than consider that Messi has won everything for club and country as the best player.
U20 world cup
Olympic gold
Continental cup (copa America)
World cup
Ucl titles
Leagues
Domestic cups
He has been player of the tournament for his country 7 times.
Vs
Ronaldo's
Euro cup (he wasn't even the best player or top scorer. I'd argue he wasn't even good in the tournament).
Ucl titles (1 more but do you remember watching any of those games thinking he was amazing other than scoring goals? I don't)
Leagues (2 vs Messi's 7 while in the same league, player of the season only once to Messi's 7 in the 9 season while in the same league)
Domestic cups.
He has 0 goals and assists in WC knock outs
Did not do anything in the 2004 Olympics
Did not participate in u20 world cups.
And than
7 ballond'ors (maybe 8) vs 5 ballond'ors.
7 fifa awards vs 5.
it's either Pele (never sawa him and purely based on hearsay) or Messi who are the top 2 greatest ever.
US is always the best place to live true celebrity lifestyle.
I said months ago that the MLS had to get this deal done for the sake of the future growth of the league. They are going to throw so much cash his way and it will be completely worth it.
Well I guess at least Ronaldo CL records is secured for now... until another decade with the likes of Haaland looking ready to take it.
Argentina is cowboy country financially, so I would imagine that side of it isn't particularly attractive to him either.
Wonder how he'll do in the US, does the country still need to "take off" in terms of football?
Wonder how he'll do in the US, does the country still need to "take off" in terms of football?
If you're upper middle class and above in the US you live in some of the safest neighborhoods in the world.
True.
I've just never really got the idea that a top player still has to win a World Cup to elevate to another level. When there's many players over the years who've got a world cup winners medal who no-one would claim to be anywhere near the elite world class group of players under discussion. So winning a world cup obviously isn't 'proof' of anything in and of itself.
Though, as you say, performing very well in it as well helps. Though if Messi's team mates missed their penalties, or Martinez didn't get up to his s**thousery and they'd lost on penalties, it's strange that that would that really make that much difference to judging Messi's career.
Probably better to be able to keep a low profile to, soccer whilst is a highly rated sport in the States i'd argue a large number of the population wouldnt even know who Messi is
Super-rich people in the US have very few issues with crime in the US unless they're incredibly reckless and stupid.
This is a good point as well. A lot of people will have no idea who he is unless they are told so.
NYC would be perfect for him if it wasn't for the weather. Even if he is recognized, people will pretend not to care because of the insane levels of self-importance
Underrated and not so important but eventually we will hear Messi speak fluently in English.
People are still defending Ronaldo in here?
Who cares.Once Messi got his WC he basically completed football.
Shorts. Shirt. Miami
That's why i was puzzled before the WC when i told people that Messi had 1000 games under his belt before that and if that isnt enough games to gauge him then i dont know what is.
Ronaldo will win another Ballon d’Or before this happens
Can’t keep the Messi vs CR7 to that hellhole of a thread?
Good move for him at this stage of his career, really thought he would go back to Barca before going back to Old Boys for a year to end his career.
Good move for him at this stage of his career, really thought he would go back to Barca before going back to Old Boys for a year to end his career.
People are still defending Ronaldo in here?
Once Messi got his WC he basically completed football.
Cryuff was boss and had a cool ending at his career at 37. Cryuff > Pelé, Messi, Maradona and Ronaldo.
Knew he would go to the MLS. There is no downside
Any betting available for MLS next season yet. Messi top scorer?
Neville hates creativity. It would be fun to watch those two working togetherGutted we won't see the big Messi and Neville link up.
He won't be able to have a normal life if he comes to Argentina. Forget about eating out, going to the movies, or even going shopping. He would be constantly harassed by fans, makes sense for him not to come here.
I think it is the best option given the circumstances. Messi is about to turn 36, not to mention that he has already completed football, he has done everything and always commented that he would like to live in the USA.
On the other hand, considering that the MLS season does not completely coincide with the European seasons, it is more than clear that he could go on loan to Barcelona, if this does not take immediate effect.
Going to the USA and not Arabia, well, I think it speaks more about Messi than anything else. Finally, Barcelona's problems are not their concern and apparently they are not going to be resolved in a short time.
On the other hand, considering that the MLS season does not completely coincide with the European seasons, it is more than clear that he could go on loan to Barcelona, if this does not take immediate effect.
Going to the USA and not Arabia, well, I think it speaks more about Messi than anything else. Finally, Barcelona's problems are not their concern and apparently they are not going to be resolved in a short time.
Fair play for him not going to Saudi
Doubt Leo himself wanted to move to fecking Iceland either.
Meh. A shame that two greatest players of their generations will spend their last years in Miami and Saudi Arabia.
Good man. Barca
Honestly a little relieved that he's not going to Saudi Arabia. I'm sure he'll be earning hundreds of millions in Miami as well but Saudi Arabia would feel a bit disappointing.
I’m gonna get to see Messi play live
This is where I am at as well.
Good move for him. What a place to live.
Maybe that other guy might’ve considered USA as well, if it wasn’t for that alleged incident.
Maybe that other guy might’ve considered USA as well, if it wasn’t for that alleged incident.
Yes it is
Martino touted as possible new Miami manager. My old memory seems to recall that didn't Messi have issues with him in the past or am i imagining that
Would Messi be able to be loaned to Barca every year to play in the Champions League?
A la Beckham back in the day
A la Beckham back in the day
Good question. I also wonder this. If so, it would have made that deal very appealing to him I’m sure