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Bloedrood said:
Because's he's from the Dutch league. Look at how much Blind cost, or Eriksen. Or Suarez. 30 million euros is maximum I'd say. The only way that could be beaten is if there was some Messi like player who already has a 100 goals behind his name by 21 years old. And the Euro is quite low again at the moment. You get 20 euro cents more per pound than a year ago.

Also, that 2018 contract says little. When Depay extended last season they came to an agreement that he would be allowed to leave this summer. PSG being in the mix doesn't matter much in this case, they're leaving it upto Depay where he wants to go. It's all in good faith basically.
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Yeah but Eriksen only had one year left on his contract, and they could've asked a couple more million if they wanted to. I believe Overmars/De Boer said they just felt he served Ajax well and Tottenhham was a nice step for him, so why bother about 3 million euro's more? Wasn't going to hurt them with the money coming in after qualifying for the CL three years in a row, something Eriksen played a vital part in.

Suarez was great in Holland, but who else but Liverpool were really interested? I still find this very weird, because it was so obvious that he was going to be great but that's another story. He also had some controversy at World Cup 2010, and of course the biting incident with Bakkal so I could see why he was deemed "risky".

Manchester United and PSG are bigger/richer clubs than Liverpool and them wanting to sign the same player is a slightly different scenario. And then like you said Ajax still got 30 million euro for Suarez, in the winter of 2010. It's 2015 now and the market has exploded in the last years.

We already know PSG made enquiries just like United did, Depay/his people have had a conversation with PSG. So what happens if Van Gaal wants him and makes the expected 25 million pound bid? PSG with their history of paying insane fees for Marquinhos, Lucas, David Luiz are just going to say: ok we make exactly the same bid as United, let Memphis choose?

You'd imagine that if United bids 20-25 million, PSG will bid 30 million pounds (which is 40 million Euro). And then if Memphis would prefer to join United over PSG, PSV would be fine with him chosing where he wants to go. But only if United match PSG's offer. Or more simply put: I can't see Marcel Brands selling Memphis to United for less money than he could sell him for to PSG, only because he and Van Gaal worked together. And like I said, PSG have a history of making huge bids.

Now obviously I hope we could sign Memphis for a modest fee, but I can't really see why that would be the case, that's why I was curious. Maybe Van Gaal really can pull some strings/a loan deal with someone like Pereira perhaps, and make sure the fee for Depay will be modest, it's just that usually it doesn't work like that.
 
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Henrik Larsson said:
Yeah but Eriksen only had one year left on his contract, and they could've asked a couple more million if they wanted to. I believe Overmars/De Boer said they just felt he served Ajax well and Tottenhham was a nice step for him, so why bother about 3 million euro's more? Wasn't going to hurt them with the money coming in after qualifying for the CL three years in a row, something Eriksen played a vital part in.

Suarez was great in Holland, but who else but Liverpool were really interested? I still find this very weird, because it was so obvious that he was going to be great but that's another story. He also had some controversy at World Cup 2010, and of course the biting incident with Bakkal so I could see why he was deemed "risky".

Manchester United and PSG are bigger/richer clubs than Liverpool and them wanting to sign the same player is a slightly different scenario. And then like you said Ajax still got 30 million euro for Suarez, in the winter of 2010. It's 2015 now and the market has exploded in the last years.

We already know PSG made enquiries just like United did, Depay/his people have had a conversation with PSG. So what happens if Van Gaal wants him and makes the expected 25 million pound bid? PSG with their history of paying insane fees for Marquinhos, Lucas, David Luiz are just going to say: ok we make exactly the same bid as United, let Memphis choose?

You'd imagine that if United bids 20-25 million, PSG will bid 30 million pounds (which is 40 million Euro). And then if Memphis would prefer United over PSG, PSV would be fine with him chosing where he wants to go. But only if United match PSG's offer. Or more simply put: I can't see Marcel Brands selling Memphis to United for less money than he could sell him for to PSG, only because he and Van Gaal worked together. And like I said, PSG have a history of making huge bids.

Now obviously I hope we could sign Memphis for a modest fee, but I can't really see why that would be the case, that's why I was curious.
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If Depay doesn't want to go to PSG, then selling him to PSG for 100m wouldn't be an option. If we're interested, it depends 100% on the player.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
If Depay doesn't want to go to PSG, then selling him to PSG for 100m wouldn't be an option. If we're interested, it depends 100% on the player.
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So you mean he has some talks with PSG, doesn't like their plans/offer, thanks them anyway. After which he makes clear he only wants to join United. That's a good point and it would be great, in that case I could see why a more modest fee for Memphis would be enough to get him.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
So you mean he has some talks with PSG, doesn't like their plans/offer, thanks them anyway. After which he makes clear he only wants to join United. That's a good point and it would be great, in that case I could see why a more modest fee for Memphis would be enough to get him.
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Yep, exactly. It really depends on Memphis. If he wants to join United then we'll pay a fair amount for him, but there won't be a bidding war of any sort. About the only thing the PSG/United thing does is up his wage prospects. Playing on both clubs in order to get a better deal, fairly standard these days.
 
This transfer saga has been dragging for a while now..... The longer it drags, the price will go up & up & up
 
RedMachine03 said:
What about Young and Mata? And Lingard as well.
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Do you honestly believe Lingard is going to make it here? And you're worried about Young? Hmmm. Lets see. We have a change of getting a player who has the potential to be world class and better than Young has ever been and you would pass up the opportunity to get him and rather play a 30 year who will be no more than a squad player next year?
 
Henrik Larsson said:
Yeah but Eriksen only had one year left on his contract, and they could've asked a couple more million if they wanted to. I believe Overmars/De Boer said they just felt he served Ajax well and Tottenhham was a nice step for him, so why bother about 3 million euro's more? Wasn't going to hurt them with the money coming in after qualifying for the CL three years in a row, something Eriksen played a vital part in.

Suarez was great in Holland, but who else but Liverpool were really interested? I still find this very weird, because it was so obvious that he was going to be great but that's another story. He also had some controversy at World Cup 2010, and of course the biting incident with Bakkal so I could see why he was deemed "risky".

Manchester United and PSG are bigger/richer clubs than Liverpool and them wanting to sign the same player is a slightly different scenario. And then like you said Ajax still got 30 million euro for Suarez, in the winter of 2010. It's 2015 now and the market has exploded in the last years.

We already know PSG made enquiries just like United did, Depay/his people have had a conversation with PSG. So what happens if Van Gaal wants him and makes the expected 25 million pound bid? PSG with their history of paying insane fees for Marquinhos, Lucas, David Luiz are just going to say: ok we make exactly the same bid as United, let Memphis choose?

You'd imagine that if United bids 20-25 million, PSG will bid 30 million pounds (which is 40 million Euro). And then if Memphis would prefer to join United over PSG, PSV would be fine with him chosing where he wants to go. But only if United match PSG's offer. Or more simply put: I can't see Marcel Brands selling Memphis to United for less money than he could sell him for to PSG, only because he and Van Gaal worked together. And like I said, PSG have a history of making huge bids.

Now obviously I hope we could sign Memphis for a modest fee, but I can't really see why that would be the case, that's why I was curious. Maybe Van Gaal really can pull some strings/a loan deal with someone like Pereira perhaps, and make sure the fee for Depay will be modest, it's just that usually it doesn't work like that.
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I think what you're not realising, is that while the market might have exploded, in top leagues transfer fees have gone up because those club revenues have gone up etc. This isn't the case for the Dutch League, most Dutch clubs have struggled financially in recent years, finances have decreased and the overall league's quality too. 30 million euros is about half PSV's total revenue from last year. Bargaining power has decreased relative to the rest of Europe. It's why RVN's transfer from 14 years ago is still the transfer record.

Eriksen might have had one year. But what about Strootman then, went for under 15 million pounds with 3 years left on his contract. I don't think you can expect one player to suddenly be sold for ridiculous money, it doesn't make sense in the Dutch market.

Also. PSV believe the fee won't be an issue for any of the clubs involved. Again, they made a gentleman's agreement with Depay last season. Depay already had alot of interest last summer, and had lower offers at that point, like 20 million euros. But Depay wanted to stay, and extended. PSV is sticking to the agreement they made, they're not being greedy or seflish.
 
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Bloedrood said:
I think what you're not realising, is that while the market might have exploded, in top leagues transfer fees have gone up because those club revenues have gone up etc. This isn't the case for the Dutch League, most Dutch clubs have struggled financially in recent years, finances have decreased and the overall league's quality too. 30 million euros is about half PSV's total revenue from last year. Bargaining power has decreased relative to the rest of Europe. It's why RVN's transfer from 14 years ago is still the transfer record.

Eriksen might have had one year. But what about Strootman then, went for under 15 million pounds with 3 years left on his contract. I don't think you can expect one player to suddenly be sold for ridiculous money, it doesn't make sense in the Dutch market.
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The highlighted bit must be the key to this though, no? Surely if a Dutch club has a player other clubs want it shouldnt matter if that club is broke, there could still be a bidding war. Unless clubs are loathe to buy from Dutch clubs because they think players in Holland are "untested" at the top level.
 
Adebesi said:
The highlighted bit must be the key to this though, no? Surely if a Dutch club has a player other clubs want it shouldnt matter if that club is broke, there could still be a bidding war. Unless clubs are loathe to buy from Dutch clubs because they think players in Holland are "untested" at the top level.
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I think they're all factors that come into play. Less money means less quality. And ofcourse, it being such a small league means there's more risk involved, so clubs don't want to pay top price. But look at Eden Hazard, also sold at 21, but he made 20 goals and 22 assists in his last season, in a stronger league. Was sold for 40 million euros with 3 years left on his contract, 30 million for Depay makes sense to me.
 
The Azzurri said:
This transfer saga has been dragging for a while now..... The longer it drags, the price will go up & up & up
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In reality, a fee is most likely already agreed between the clubs.

This is what happens generally. And now it is probably just a case of PSV delaying announcements until the seasons over and to make it look like they got the best price and put up a fight to keep their star. What the media/computer games report transfers to be like is completely different to how they actually do work.
 
Adebesi said:
The highlighted bit must be the key to this though, no? Surely if a Dutch club has a player other clubs want it shouldnt matter if that club is broke, there could still be a bidding war. Unless clubs are loathe to buy from Dutch clubs because they think players in Holland are "untested" at the top level.
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It will be a part of the reason. The other will be that PSV (sort of) expected Memphis to leave after the worldcup. Tottenham offered 20m Euro, normally PSV wouldn't say no to this. Because Memphis wanted to stay (which doesn't happen often when bigger clubs come calling) they made a gentlemans agreement to extend his contract and sell him after this season.

PSV won't play hardball because they've already got him for another year, and he's made them champion again for the first time in 7 years. Our league is aimed at giving time to youngsters to sell them on with profit, if we we'd always sell them to the highest bidder in stead of the clubs which they would want out league will be less attractive. That's the last thing we want since it's already in decline for several years. 30m Euro is alot of money for PSV, if he wants to move to a club which is willing to pay what they want they're not going to deny him.

There's more factors coming in to this like Bloedrood already mentioned.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
In reality, a fee is most likely already agreed between the clubs.

This is what happens generally. And now it is probably just a case of PSV delaying announcements until the seasons over and to make it look like they got the best price and put up a fight to keep their star. What the media/computer games report transfers to be like is completely different to how they actually do work.
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PSV directors are ok with letting him go, their manager Cocu too, he literally said Depay is ready for the next step. They were very open on live tv earlier this week about his transfer and clubs that were interested, I think as soon as there's an agreement it will be anounced. It wouldn't cause any issues whatsoever, PSV's supporters know there's no way he's staying.
 
Latest rumours are that we're willing to loan Januzaj to PSV in return for getting Depay. I think that is the best deal for all parties. Januzaj gets meaningful minutes in a decent league along with Champions League football while we get Depay who would provide us with the thrust we need on the right hand side.
 
It is simply unwise for PSV to try and get the highest price possible for this single transfer, because dutch clubs relies primarily on selling their best talents to the bigger clubs as their main source of income. If they broke their gentlemen's agreement as well as trying to raise the price of their players to unrealistic levels simply because big clubs are hovering around, they are destroying any probability of them making any good deals in the future. Good potential youngsters in the future might be wary of committing long term to the club and the fiasco will leave a bad taste in the big club's mouth.

So PSV selling Depay for 30m is about the best they could do, and I am sure they will not try to hardball any of the clubs that is looking to get him.
 
Just reading through some bits and pieces and this whole LvG as a father figure seems a little bit of an over exaggeration from a book written by Borst - hardly the Cus D'amato / Tyson style relationship that it is painted as.

Other than the National team, is there another connection between LvG and Depay?
 
rotherham_red said:
Latest rumours are that we're willing to loan Januzaj to PSV in return for getting Depay. I think that is the best deal for all parties. Januzaj gets meaningful minutes in a decent league along with Champions League football while we get Depay who would provide us with the thrust we need on the right hand side.
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I thought he played on the left?
 
rotherham_red said:
Latest rumours are that we're willing to loan Januzaj to PSV in return for getting Depay. I think that is the best deal for all parties. Januzaj gets meaningful minutes in a decent league along with Champions League football while we get Depay who would provide us with the thrust we need on the right hand side.
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This would be very nice. Januzaj won't play that much next season too (with Depay, Young, Di Maria, Mata, Fellaini and possibly Rooney playing on those 3 attacking midfielder/winger positions). PSV is a very good club when Januzaj can have a good football education.
 
ChaddyP said:
I thought he played on the left?
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Well yes if we get Depay on the left then either Di Maria or Mata might be on the right. Januzaj is on the bench again. They are not directly competing against each other. Depay is better than Januzaj already.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
Just reading through some bits and pieces and this whole LvG as a father figure seems a little bit of an over exaggeration from a book written by Borst - hardly the Cus D'amato / Tyson style relationship that it is painted as.

Other than the National team, is there another connection between LvG and Depay?
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Read the last few pages to see what everyone is talking about.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
Just reading through some bits and pieces and this whole LvG as a father figure seems a little bit of an over exaggeration from a book written by Borst - hardly the Cus D'amato / Tyson style relationship that it is painted as.

Other than the National team, is there another connection between LvG and Depay?
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I've made a post on page 70 explaining why I think they've got a good relationship.

rotherham_red said:
Latest rumours are that we're willing to loan Januzaj to PSV in return for getting Depay. I think that is the best deal for all parties. Januzaj gets meaningful minutes in a decent league along with Champions League football while we get Depay who would provide us with the thrust we need on the right hand side.
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I haven't read any reliable source with that rumour yet, PSV is looking to replace Memphis with Corona from FC Twente. It might be an option though, PSV is using their youth more and the current crop of youngsters isn't quite ready yet I think - therefore they might want to loan in stead of buy. Josefzoon is long time injured with an ACL, and Narsingh is still not back at his old level since he done his ACL. They lack good options out wide and if van Gaal (and Cocu) sees it as a good thing I'd be all for it.

I'm not sure if van Gaal wants this though. Loaning him to PSV would give him more game time, but he wouldn't train under the philosophy of van Gaal. He'd play in a counterattacking team and not a possesion based team. Ajax who play possesion based football (sort of) got plenty of options out wide already so I doubt they'd be interested.
 
Bloedrood said:
I think what you're not realising, is that while the market might have exploded, in top leagues transfer fees have gone up because those club revenues have gone up etc. This isn't the case for the Dutch League, most Dutch clubs have struggled financially in recent years, finances have decreased and the overall league's quality too. 30 million euros is about half PSV's total revenue from last year. Bargaining power has decreased relative to the rest of Europe. It's why RVN's transfer from 14 years ago is still the transfer record.

Eriksen might have had one year. But what about Strootman then, went for under 15 million pounds with 3 years left on his contract. I don't think you can expect one player to suddenly be sold for ridiculous money, it doesn't make sense in the Dutch market.

Also. PSV believe the fee won't be an issue for any of the clubs involved. Again, they made a gentleman's agreement with Depay last season. Depay already had alot of interest last summer, and had lower offers at that point, like 20 million euros. But Depay wanted to stay, and extended. PSV is sticking to the agreement they made, they're not being greedy or seflish.
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Yeah I was just reading into this and it seems like you and Max are right, I wasn't fully convinced. Was also a bit sceptical because it wouldn't be the first time a player and a club have a gentleman's agreement or whatever, which later on is broken. Jaap Stam to United for instance, although that was about Stam himself getting a % of the transfer fee. Which he didn't get, and years later he's still feels betrayed by PSV if I'm not mistaken.

But like you've already said, it seems PSV are keeping their promise and would be satisfied with a fee of around 25 million euro.

You mention Strootman and it's interesting, because he went for 16.5 million euro to Roma (18.5 million including add-ons). From what I remember not many clubs had specific interest in him that summer, and he was actually happy to stay one more year at PSV, but then Roma came and they offered a good amount. Not sure what the biggest fee is Roma ever paid, but he was an expensive player for them. And maybe if other nice big clubs had interest in Strootman too, his price would've gone up?

But what I actually mean is, usually goalscoring/attacking players go for much more money than midfielders. Modric went to Real Madrid for around 30 million pounds. Gareth Bale went to Real Madrid for 80+ million pounds.

Strootman went to AS Roma for 16.5 million, so Depay will go to Manchester United for ........??

43 million euro if you apply the same ratio as Modric vs. Bale. Of course this transfer is not a matter of multiplying some ratio's of other transfers. But in today's market I think Memphis is definitely worth 40 million euro (30 million pounds) at least. And that's a huge difference with the 25 million euro (18 million pounds) mentioned as the sum PSV would agree with in some stories.
 
I saw someone ask, what if PSV receive an offer bigger than the one made by United ? And there is a precedent with Benzema, Lyon had an agreement with Benzema, they agreed that if Real Madrid pay the minimum fee, they will let him go there even if someone comes with a bigger offer.
 
Cina said:
Yeah I really wish we'd get it done before the transfer windows opens.

Get it together Woodie.
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PSV only secured the title a few weeks ago. Also, since they will clearly want to use the money, I'm certain a deal with us - or someone else - will be done very quickly. A couple of weeks, possibly, certainly not after than the end of May.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
Yeah I was just reading into this and it seems like you and Max are right, I wasn't fully convinced. Was also a bit sceptical because it wouldn't be the first time a player and a club have a gentleman's agreement or whatever, which later on is broken. Jaap Stam to United for instance, although that was about Stam himself getting a % of the transfer fee. Which he didn't get, and years later he's still feels betrayed by PSV if I'm not mistaken.

But like you've already said, it seems PSV are keeping their promise and would be satisfied with a fee of around 25 million euro.

You mention Strootman and it's interesting, because he went for 16.5 million euro to Roma (18.5 million including add-ons). From what I remember not many clubs had specific interest in him that summer, and he was actually happy to stay one more year at PSV, but then Roma came and they offered a good amount. Not sure what the biggest fee is Roma ever paid, but he was an expensive player for them. And maybe if other nice big clubs had interest in Strootman too, his price would've gone up?

But what I actually mean is, usually goalscoring/attacking players go for much more money than midfielders. Modric went to Real Madrid for around 30 million pounds. Gareth Bale went to Real Madrid for 80+ million pounds.

Strootman went to AS Roma for 16.5 million, so Depay will go to Manchester United for ........??

43 million euro if you apply the same ratio as Modric vs. Bale. Of course this transfer is not a matter of multiplying some ratio's of other transfers. But in today's market I think Memphis is definitely worth 40 million euro (30 million pounds) at least. And that's a huge difference with the 25 million euro (18 million pounds) mentioned as the sum PSV would agree with in some stories.
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I wouldn't say that fees like Bale's or Neymar's are proportionate to the majority of the transfer market, they are anomalies. Anomalies don't really happen in the Dutch league, those crazy high fees are only for exceptional players. Not for today's Depay, only potentially for a Depay in a few years. I honestly think almost double Strootman's fee is perfectly fair. As I mentioned in another post, Eden Hazard went for 40 million euros when he was 21 years old, but he had 20 assists and 22 assists in a superior league. Or take someone like Alexis Sanchez, Arsenal got him for 42 million euros. I'd sooner compare him to those normal fees than the absurd high ones. In that light I think a little over 25 with some bonusses that could lead upto 30 million makes sense.

Sure, if PSV wanted to play hardball they could probably get 5 million euros more, at the cost of potentially causing friction with Depay.

But the problem with Depay and thinking he's worth alot more is that he's probably going to need time to develop and adapt to the PL. Like, what Hazard did in his first season with Chelsea, 9 goals and 14 assists. I don't see Depay doing that, I expect him to need more time.
 
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Bloedrood said:
I wouldn't say that fees like Bale's or Neymar's are proportionate to the majority of the transfer market, they are anomalies. Anomalies don't really happen in the Dutch league, those crazy high fees are only for exceptional players. Not for today's Depay, only potentially for a Depay in a few years. I honestly think almost double Strootman's fee is perfectly fair. As I mentioned in another post, Eden Hazard went for 40 million euros when he was 21 years old, but he had 20 assists and 22 assists in a superior league. Or take someone like Alexis Sanchez, Arsenal got him for 42 million euros. I'd sooner compare him to those normal fees than the absurd high ones.

The problem with Depay and thinking he's worth alot more is that he's probably going to need time to develop and adapt to the PL. Like, what Hazard did in his first season with Chelsea, 9 goals and 14 assists. I don't see Depay doing that, I expect him to need more time.
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Yeah well that's a good assessment. And obviously paying the fair price for Memphis would be great. But somehow I'm still not fully convinced that 'fair' is really relevant in this case. I mean, two clubs are now being mentioned as having made enquiries. One paid 75 million euro for Angel Di Maria and almost 40 million euro for 19 year old Luke Shaw. The other club paid 31 million euro for 19 year old Marquinhos who had played 45 games in his life. Not to forget 60+ million for David Luiz last summer. But like I said, I hope you're right.
 
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DesiBD said:
Please, not another Thiago. We must have him.
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Thiago barely had any bond with United, Depay has his father currently managing Manchester United, how does that sound? Also Van Gaal has a good relationship with his former player Cocu who is their manager and generally it is expected that he can deal with dutch clubs.. Depay is neither former player of Guardiola and neither speaks German. He plays left wing were we need reinforcements. It's very logical move for him. and very illogical to thing that he could end up like Thiago.

Depay is 10001% Manchester United player.
 
Just been reading one of the PSV forums, got to admit the google translation makes for some difficult reading, but the general jist is they think PSG are likely to pay the most, but the Prem is his likely destination, they also think £25 m is too cheap for him.

Another interesting line is that they think a Janujaz loan might be thrown into the bargain, not a bad idea really.
 
After last summer I'm not doubting our ability to sign just about anyone aside from Ronaldo or Messi. Get this done Woody!
 
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