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Devil may care said:
Januzaj is never going to progress if he doesn't go on loan IMO, the competition is too strong in our squad. As for Mata, it's not about where you or I like him to play, it's that he is simply too weak to play centrally in the PL, same reason Silva starts out wide for City most of the time, he's adapted well to the false winger role and simply doesn't have the attributes for LvG's 4-3-3, to even think of playing him centrally we'd need to move to 4-2-3-1 and play with 2 DM's to accommodate him, which is not needed as he has shown he can play well from the right.
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How can people not understand that LVG doesn't want anyone who can offer value for the first team squad to go on loan.He didn't even want Blackett to go on loan and Tyler is not even in the bloody 18-man squad these days.Januzaj was selected ahead of Mata/Herrera at some point until his stupid illness so it's not impossible for him to get into the team.With a player already part of the the first team like him a loan meant he's not needed anymore instead of any progressing.

I disagree that few good games and Mata can "play well" on the right.Obviously he can prove me wrong but I don't see it as a long term position for him.Would keep him on the right for now though but I can't help but think he will be found out soon especially if Herrera somehow not starting.
 
khoazany said:
How can people not understand that LVG doesn't want anyone who can offer value for the first team squad to go on loan.He didn't even want Blackett to go on loan and Tyler is not even in the bloody 18-man squad these days.Januzaj was selected ahead of Mata/Herrera at some point until his stupid illness so it's not impossible for him to get into the team.With a player already part of the the first team like him a loan meant he's not needed anymore instead of any progressing.

I disagree that few good games and Mata can "play well" on the right.Obviously he can prove me wrong but I don't see it as a long term position for him.Would keep him on the right for now though but I can't help but think he will be found out soon especially if Herrera somehow not starting.
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Blackett was kept because he was the only other left footed CB we had and our CB's were injured so often in the first half of the season we needed him for the numbers. In the case of Januzaj there is very little chance of him replacing Mata, Di Maria or Young IMO and we will be bringing in a new forward player this summer, we haven't been scouting Firmino and Memphis for laughs, so he'll have 4 senior players ahead of him next season, so I don't see how a loan would hurt him.

If Mata can't make that false winger role work full time then I don't see him lasting here, if you look at LvG's teams he plays with a #6 and two #8's, the #8's are ball winners who play with high energy, strength and box to box workrate, Mata simply cannot perform the role in the system we are playing. However I think much like Silva he'll contribute plenty drifting from the right side of the front 3.
 
Devil may care said:
if you look at LvG's teams he plays with a #6 and two #8's, the #8's are ball winners who play with high energy, strength and box to box workrate,
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That's not how he describes it himself, he says there is an #8 and a #10. Muller played centrally loads of times at Bayern too and he is hardly a ball winning b2b midfielder. He also regularly played Sneijder or van der Vaart as #10s for the Netherlands.
 
limerickcitykid said:
That's not how he describes it himself, he says there is an #8 and a #10. Muller played centrally loads of times at Bayern too and he is hardly a ball winning b2b midfielder. He also regularly played Sneijder or van der Vaart as #10s for the Netherlands.
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They aren't real #10's though if you look at those 3, Muller is a multi purpose striker with great workrate who is also pretty strong on the ball, and the other 2 are basically AM's. The other aspect is that the PL is a different animal physically, look at how often players who operated as #10's in other leagues end up playing the drifting wide man role in the PL.
 
I think Dutch players (all those Strootman mentions) are being slightly overhyped here. Depay is very inconsistent and plays in poor league. He's a "could be"-player who has big potential, but I'm not convinced about his passing ablility. I'm maybe a bit biased against certain type of players but our current winning streak is build around intelligent players who can pass the ball. Not saying we shouldn't sign him. I'm just cautious about it and I personally prefer the type of player Nabil Fekir is.
 
Welbeckham said:
I think Dutch players (all those Strootman mentions) are being slightly overhyped here. Depay is very inconsistent and plays in poor league. He's a "could be"-player who has big potential, but I'm not convinced about his passing ablility. I'm maybe a bit biased against certain type of players but our current winning streak is build around intelligent players who can pass the ball. Not saying we shouldn't sign him. I'm just cautious about it and I personally prefer the type of player Nabil Fekir is.
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Depay is pretty intelligent. He's not just about scoring goals.
 
Devil may care said:
Blackett was kept because he was the only other left footed CB we had and our CB's were injured so often in the first half of the season we needed him for the numbers. In the case of Januzaj there is very little chance of him replacing Mata, Di Maria or Young IMO and we will be bringing in a new forward player this summer, we haven't been scouting Firmino and Memphis for laughs, so he'll have 4 senior players ahead of him next season, so I don't see how a loan would hurt him.
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Blackett is currently the 6th choice CB but LVG still rejected various Championship's offer last month because he want to develop the lad himself instead.With LVG starting Smalling and Jones frequently you can see that he doesn't buy that left-footed issue that much at the moment.We don't need him for number at the moment and we can always call him back when needed with Championship loan.

A loan would hurt Januzaj in the same manner as how Nani will be gone this summer.No matter how he does on loan he will still be behind the exact same players when coming back.He has to fight for it or finds another club.If Ashley Young can perform well as he did despite limited talent who say Januzaj can't do the same next season?People are too quick to write him off.Anyway my main point is LVG won't loan him out not how a loan will hurt his chance.

It's funny when you said the two #8s must be energetic ball winner when Fellani is basically in the opposition's final third most of the time.Obviously Fellani has height over Mata but the role he's playing is number 10 not number 8 and I don't see why Mata can't play in the same role (but with different tactics obviously due to his lack of height.When we have new players we don't have to lump it into the box to the big man that frequently do we?).Personally I don't rate Mata that much but it's a different topic.I also think LVG will want to play Rooney deeper again when he has a new striker, not as deep as he used to play this season though but in the number 10 role or the highest number 8 whatever you prefer to call.

Anyway should back to discuss about Depay really.Sorry for misleading the topic.My opinion about him is we don't desperately need him but no doubt he would be a good addition.Though I would prefer Firmino since he can play both number 10 and striker role.
 
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Welbeckham said:
I think Dutch players (all those Strootman mentions) are being slightly overhyped here. Depay is very inconsistent and plays in poor league. He's a "could be"-player who has big potential, but I'm not convinced about his passing ablility. I'm maybe a bit biased against certain type of players but our current winning streak is build around intelligent players who can pass the ball. Not saying we shouldn't sign him. I'm just cautious about it and I personally prefer the type of player Nabil Fekir is.
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We don't need another player who just passes the ball about. We need a pacy, skilful and direct winger. Someone who gets the ball and just runs at defenders.
 
I have reservations about him. I just don't know how a man called Memphis can make it all the way to the top. His parents really screwed him up there.
 
khoazany said:
Blackett is currently the 6th choice CB but LVG still rejected various Championship's offer last month because he want to develop the lad himself instead.With LVG starting Smalling and Jones frequently you can see that he doesn't buy that left-footed issue that much at the moment.We don't need him for number at the moment and we can always call him back when needed with Championship loan.

A loan would hurt Januzaj in the same manner as how Nani will be gone this summer.No matter how he does on loan he will still be behind the exact same players when coming back.He has to fight for it or finds another club.If Ashley Young can perform well as he did despite limited talent who say Januzaj can't do the same next season?People are too quick to write him off.

It's funny when you said the two #8s must be energetic ball winner when Fellani is basically in the opposition's final third most of the time.Obviously Fellani has height over Mata but the role he's playing is number 10 not number 8 and I don't see why Mata can't play in the same role (but with different tactics obviously due to his lack of height.When we have new players we don't have to lump it into the box to the big man that frequently do we?).Personally I don't rate Mata that much but it's a different topic.I also think LVG will want to play Rooney deeper again when he has a new striker, not as deep as he used to play this season though but in the number 10 role or the highest number 8 whatever you prefer to call.

Anyway should back to discuss about Depay really.Sorry for misleading the topic.My point about him is basically we don't desperately need him but no doubt he would be a good addition.Though I would prefer Firmino since he can play both number 10 and striker role.
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LvG has started Smalling and Jones together twice and that was because Rojo was not fully fit, he's made it very clear in numerous interviews that he very much likes one right footed CB and one left footed. How is LvG developing Blackett? He's playing reserve football, if he went on loan he'd start competing at a better level weekly.

Where did I write off Januzaj? He's still only 20, a loan for him is a lot different than a loan for a 27 year old Nani.

I am not a fan of Fellaini but I think you are really selling him short on how much tracking back and physical defensive work he puts in. Mata is incredibly slow and simply can't win physical challenges in the center of the park like Fellaini can, it's not just about his height. As for Rooney going back into the midfield 3, I really hope not, he's a striker and lacks the passing to play in there, plus we are supposedly after a #8 this summer who will hopefully compliment Herrera.

Memphis or Firmino? In truth I'm not 100% sure about either, Firmino has played at a higher level, Memphis looks physically suited to the PL, but neither are a talent that screams "must have" to me.
 
Devil may care said:
How is LvG developing Blackett? He's playing reserve football, if he went on loan he'd start competing at a better level weekly.
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That's exactly what I don't really get but it's LVG's perspective and it reinforces my point that LVG won't loan out any of them next season.James is the only one of our those has already made first team debut that I think will be loaned out.Blackett can still be sold if he continues being a liability whenever he plays.
 
khoazany said:
That's exactly what I don't really get but it's LVG's perspective and it reinforces my point that LVG won't loan out any of them next season.James is the only one of our those has already made first team debut that I think will be loaned out.Blackett can still be sold if he continues being a liability whenever he plays.
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Blackett was going to go out on loan until Evans got banned
 
Longlivekeano said:
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Is Depay ready to just walk into our starting XI next season? From what I've heard and seen, I'd say no. We've got one promising winger in Januzaj who has hardly had any playing time this season. If we were to get another, assuming Mata plays on the wings with Di Maria next season, which I think Van Gaal will now do, then he won't progress if Depay comes.
 
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Kostur said:
This, and Strootman is not a #6, is he?
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He can play, both as a 6 and an 8, but there's no way Van Gaal will use him there often, given that we have Carrick and Blind who play there. There's also no way Van Gaal will play Mata and Herrera in midfield together.
 
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Seems a no-brainer based on this season's form and the prices mentioned in this thread.

But more importantly, he's an instant world beater on Football Manager. Pay the lot for him.
 
Welbeckham said:
I think Dutch players (all those Strootman mentions) are being slightly overhyped here. Depay is very inconsistent and plays in poor league. He's a "could be"-player who has big potential, but I'm not convinced about his passing ablility. I'm maybe a bit biased against certain type of players but our current winning streak is build around intelligent players who can pass the ball. Not saying we shouldn't sign him. I'm just cautious about it and I personally prefer the type of player Nabil Fekir is.
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This is quite odd, considering Depay's creative passing is better than Young's, Valencia's and Januzaj's (who's final ball often leaves a lot to be desired). He will not give the ball away as much as Di Maria and is decent enough defensively. But he also has that spark and the ability to score, which the others don't really have, bar Young on the odd occasion. His relationship/history with Van Gaal also means he may fit into the team philosophy quite easily too.

For the figures being touted, surely it is a no-brainer?
 
People not sure about him. Claiming Sterling is better. Get a grip. This lad is the real deal and will make the rest of the prem' bow before him.
 
Gambit said:
People not sure about him. Claiming Sterling is better. Get a grip. This lad is the real deal and will make the rest of the prem' bow before him.
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Sterling might be better at the moment, since he's PL proven already. People claiming Sterling definately has a higher ceiling are wrong though, Memphis has an equal or bigger chance to become 'worldclass' (hate that term). He has everything you look for in a talented player: strong, fast, skillfull, overall good contribution, scores goals and has the right mentality and drive to become better. For the fee mentioned, 22m vs 40m, it should be a no brainer. He has no English player tax.

Sonny1972 said:
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That book was written by Hugo Borst, I wouldn't take it for 100% facts. There's certainly an element of truth in it though: van Gaal really is a father figure (players can talk to him at any time about everything, many players mentioned this) and Memphis never had one, beside his grandfather who passed away. Since he got called up for the national team at age 19 (when there were many other talents he could've chosen) he's been improving dramatically. He got over his personal problems and hired professionals for his personal life. They manage his money, food and training for him. He wanted to keep his place in the national team, this drive made him better.

I do think van Gaal was a part of this. He is good with young players and will have given him advice. After he returned from the WC people expected him to be very egoistic in the sense that he'd think he already made it to the top. But he wasn't, he was focussed and progressed even more than the year before. I think van Gaal will be able to get the best out of him.
 
Gambit said:
People not sure about him. Claiming Sterling is better. Get a grip. This lad is the real deal and will make the rest of the prem' bow before him.
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You are still the muppet king Gambs. :lol: Your candlelit vigil for Hamsik remains unsurpassed.
 
So what happens to Januzaj if we get him? You know, the young winger already at the club who has massive potential if used enough.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
So what happens to Januzaj if we get him? You know, the young winger already at the club who has massive potential if used enough.
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Isn't he actually a number 10 converted to a winger? I think he'll be used more behind the front man or he'll be surplus to requirements.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Isn't he actually a number 10 converted to a winger? I think he'll be used more behind the front man or he'll be surplus to requirements.
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I personally think he's better on the wing, especially if he's given the licence to cut inside like Mata's been used in the last few games.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I personally think he's better on the wing, especially if he's given the licence to cut inside like Mata's been used in the last few games.
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I'm torn, I know he is young and a work in progress but his final ball is far to poor to be a top winger. The games he has played number 10 albeit for U21's he has been excellent when getting himself in the box to finish chances rather than create.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
So what happens to Januzaj if we get him? You know, the young winger already at the club who has massive potential if used enough.
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Nothing. We will play more than 50 games next season. You saw the injury problems we had this year. I think it depends more on if we keep RVP and Falcao. If we don't then Rooney moves up top and there is more chance of Januzaj playing where Mata is currently on the right wing.
 
We should loan out Januzaj next season to an EPL side. It's best for Januzaj to get regular first team football at this point, and he isn't going to get that here at United because he isn't ready for it yet. For a lower table EPL side though, he'd easily get regular football. With Nani potentially coming back next season, that would be another obstacle for Januzaj.
 
Devil may care said:
Januzaj is best on the opposite flank to Memphis, I'd say Mata is his obstacle to getting starts.
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Not just about who he'd rotate with, though. It's about whether he would make the bench every week.

Say if our team next season is:

De Gea
New RB - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Carrick
Mata - New CM - Herrera - Di Maria
Rooney

Valdes - Jones - Valencia - Blind - Fellaini - Depay - New Striker/Winger (Lacazatte)

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If we were get Depay, lets just say that's the squad if everyone's fit, then I doubt Januzaj will be happy being left out of the squad every week. If we don't get Depay; however, Januzaj would take his spot on the bench.

This is also assuming Young will be sold, which I very much doubt after the season he's had. Van Gaal seems to like him and he's a 'multifunctional' player. RB, LB, LM, RM.
 
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