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I keep asking, what good is having 'superior' abilities if they are never seen on the pitch?

People dislike Lingard because he's a very basic player - finds the space and makes runs deep. He isn't exactly Martial but he is a hell of a lot more effective in doing the basic things than Memphis. All we've seen Memphis do since last season is lose the ball or put a free kick 80 rows into the stands, unless he's facing third-rate competition.

It's really laughable that we announced our signing of Memphis before the 2013-14 season had even ended, as if Messi were coming here! :wenger:
 
sunama said:
It does seem that Memphis was a panic buy - rushed because PSG were ready to offer him a deal.
If we had taken more time on due diligence, would we still have bought him?
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Yes

And to be fair ,at the time it was worth a punt. Looks more and more like a mistake though.

He should have never been given the 7 or started almost every game in the beginning of last season,especially considering Young's form the previous season . Ease him in and see how things go. We have raised him far too high a pedestal and the fall will hit him even harder.
 
I don't think he has any confidence left. Would be a big task for mourinho to get him perform at a consistent level. Maybe play him in cup games against weaker teams and build him up a little?
 
To think we let Nani go for £4m or whatever it was to get this clown in.
 
Simple really....a risky buy since he was in a league that has dwindled in quality....didn't work out......and it's been found out. Before he becomes another Anderson, ship out for goodness sake.....he's not going to turn into another Pogba....
 
marlowe78 said:
I keep asking, what good is having 'superior' abilities if they are never seen on the pitch?

People dislike Lingard because he's a very basic player - finds the space and makes runs deep. He isn't exactly Martial but he is a hell of a lot more effective in doing the basic things than Memphis. All we've seen Memphis do since last season is lose the ball or put a free kick 80 rows into the stands, unless he's facing third-rate competition.

It's really laughable that we announced our signing of Memphis before the 2013-14 season had even ended, as if Messi were coming here! :wenger:
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I know, right. Lingard is no world beater, but he's shown so much more than Depay so far, who is riding on the back of this so-called ceiling he is supposed to reach one day. It wouldn't hurt his career to show a glimpse of this apparent technical brilliance from time to time. Maybe then we'll have another reference point rather than just that single game against Brugge.
 
Really hoping we send him out on loan. Im wary to sell a player so quickly but he wont get the minutes he just isnt good enough
 
Looks like a WWE superstar but gets knocked off so easily while dancing on the ball.
 
A loan seems the best thing for him this season. I doubt he'll play many games this season - especially if he continues being crap leading up to the Charity Shield. Jose is not gonna want to take risks - so he's better off going on loan somewhere he hasn't got a lot of pressure but plenty of starts.
 
CLARiiON said:
Just sell him off to Newcastle or something and cut losses.
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I can understand people being against this because they don't want the club to look impatient with young players and look like a revolving door.
However there are times when you just say, we've made a mistake, there was a problem with scouting or recruitment process and cut your loses.
With this guy, I see nothing to work with.
 
He looked totally lost up top for us today, he really needs to step it up in the next couple of matches otherwise he could find himself being moved on.
 
Mourinho mentioned in the press conference after the game that some players here (in China) aren't going to stay in the team. It looked like a warning, actually. Unless Depay really improves, no way he'll stay. Too much of a disturbance to keep in the team with not much to contribute.
 
togg said:
Simple really....a risky buy since he was in a league that has dwindled in quality....didn't work out......and it's been found out. Before he becomes another Anderson, ship out for goodness sake.....he's not going to turn into another Pogba....
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:-D Anderson was one of the most talented players we ever bought, the reason why he didn't make it was that almost in every season he suffered heavy injuries which ruled him out for half season, in the end lack of dedication killed him thoroughly.

Memphis is never really looked like struggling with injuries just the quality needed. I'd still give him half season than loan and then sold him, some potential is there, he just doesn't know how to work with that
 
I really do not understand the downward spiral he is in. He used to be a fast dribbler, a very good crosser, very good free kicks, long shots. Basically he had everything a winger should have. And now if you watch him during the last year, apart from the games vs Brugges and Midtyland, he looks like a worse version of Jon Walters. I hope he steps up but unfortunately, I think it is going to be an uphill struggle for him which is a pity as I really really liked him..
 
m1y2 said:
:-D Anderson was one of the most talented players we ever bought, the reason why he didn't make it was that almost in every season he suffered heavy injuries which ruled him out for half season, in the end lack of dedication killed him thoroughly.

Memphis is never really looked like struggling with injuries just the quality needed. I'd still give him half season than loan and then sold him, some potential is there, he just doesn't know how to work with that
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Absolutely, on top of his form Ando was unplayable and looked like the best midfielder in the league...He had everything....Such a waste of talent... I am not sure that is the case with Memphis....If he had a problem it is a psychological one and he must resolve it as soon as possible..
 
Slavkov said:
I really do not understand the downward spiral he is in. He used to be a fast dribbler, a very good crosser, very good free kicks, long shots. Basically he had everything a winger should have. And now if you watch him during the last year, apart from the games vs Brugges and Midtyland, he looks like a worse version of Jon Walters. I hope he steps up but unfortunately, I think it is going to be an uphill struggle for him which is a pity as I really really liked him..
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When?
 
I would loan him out asap. I don't think he has what it takes for the PL right now but he may as well play football somewhere. He won't improve sat on the bench.
Don't get why people are slagging off Lingard in this thread he's a much better player for us than Memphis right now. He can actually run, has a thing called work rate and while he's not flashy he has a better all round game. How good will he be eventually I don't know but if I had to have a bet on who will have a better career it would be on Lingard.
 
We were right to sign him, but so far he's failed to make the step up and things aren't looking very good for him.

Seems like he's shite at everything he was supposed to be good at, which is bizzare.
 
Adam-Utd said:
People saying he's slow, he was against Sokratis who is IMO 1 of the fastest defenders out there. Even Rashford couldn't go passed him 1v1. Think the heat would of sapped him more than anybody though with the extra muscle he carries.
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He outpaced Sokratis well enough on a longer stretch. He has pace, but not lightning.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Val is naturally a really powerful guy. I get the impression that Memphis lifts, which would explain why he is deceptively slow and weak.
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Rubbish. You get faster lifting weights,not slower. Look at any 100m sprinter. They are massive. What he loses is agility and arguably some stamina running up and down. Bulking up does not equal losing pace.
 
He doesn't seem to have the pace to be top player. I think Mou will send him out on loan, he is still very young after all, unless we need to balance the books.
 
Another video purely his actions, based on this he did better now than against Wigan (I haven't seen this match)

 
Rossa said:
Rubbish. You get faster lifting weights,not slower. Look at any 100m sprinter. They are massive. What he loses is agility and arguably some stamina running up and down. Bulking up does not equal losing pace.
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Not true. Look up 'Tom Green champion sprinter training program'. I think you assume that because a lot of top sprinters are genetically gifted and look exceptional by just having high quality lean muscle.

Bulking up, especially in certain ways does affect your pace.
 
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he's so slow it's unbelievable.. Valencia is also pretty bulked up and didn't really lost speed despite being 32 soon..
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Valencia actually lost agility since he is addicted to body building. He lost the edge in attacking due to this.

Anyways, back to Memphis, IMO while he particularly had a good gem, he has eye for the forward movement (he is not fast enough though. His touch is questionable too). One thing for sure, Memphis Mata Lingard combination is bad. Memphis made right movement, but need a support behind him -> Mata is not quick enough to offer this. Mata can't run fast to run at defender, so rather pick a good pass -> Lingard and Memphis can't beat a man. Mata stay close to Memphis and Lingard -> all 3 can't play making and create anything. If all 3 stays, they would be played one each at the time or we're back to LVG circle of pointless attacking play.

Classical Mechanic said:
Not true. Look up 'Tom Green champion sprinter training program'. I think you assume that because a lot of top sprinters are genetically gifted and look exceptional by just having high quality lean muscle.

Bulking up, especially in certain ways does affect your pace.
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Agree. Sprinter and footballer build their body differently, so does their use of pace. Footballers need more quick burst and better acceleration. Sprinters not necessarily have quick acceleration (compared to footballer). Their strength lies with the full speed. Sustain Bolt at his best may lose out those quickest footballer in 50m or less race. Also chasing the ball is very different from running into distance. Chasing requires anticipating to the surround. You don't want sprinter posture chasing the ball or a slight contact/ tackle by defender may injure you.
 
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Bug muscles dont equal pace... it equals more weight which will reduce pace. Proper form is key. Over sized muscles dont help needs to be balanced with the right amount of size for optimal efficiency . Depay would do well with some sprint coaching , preferably a Jamaican coach
 
Leftback99 said:
To think we let Nani go for £4m or whatever it was to get this clown in.
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Hindsight is always 20/20 dude. I don't think many were against the idea at the time.

Does it appear to be a mistake now? Yes, but it was a very sensible choice at the time with Nani being incredibly erratic for a couple of seasons while depay was coming off a brilliant season with PSV and was one of the hottest young prospects in the world.
 
Don't know if anyone agrees but a minimum of 10 of those last season goals in Holland were the result of pee poor keeping.

We bought a guy with potential, Nick Powell when he arrived level of potential.

All about fee now for me, over 12m take it (save 5m per year in wages too) under that give him anther season. I highly suspect he will end up at the likes of Norwich early next Calendar year on loan.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
I think he does have the attitude.

He just isn't that good IMO.
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It's his head. Remember a young Nani? He has the talent and even the pace, but he keeps making the wrong decisions and running into dead ends. The quesiton is whether Jose can turn it around for him, or have the patience to.
 
As mentioned, really could do with a loan to a team where he could be a bit of a star. He needs to get his confidence back. And he won't be getting too many chances at United next season.
 
mu4c_20le said:
It's his head. Remember a young Nani? He has the talent and even the pace, but he keeps making the wrong decisions and running into dead ends. The quesiton is whether Jose can turn it around for him, or have the patience to.
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I've always thought the Nani-Memphis comparisons were off.

Nani is far more talented than Memphis imo.

Memphis has had a problem with showing talent and playing well. The only time he played well was vs 'pub teams'. Nani in his 1st season had good games vs good-great teams.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
I've always thought the Nani-Memphis comparisons were off.

Nani is far more talented than Memphis imo.

Memphis has had a problem with showing talent and playing well. The only time he played well was vs 'pub teams'. Nani in his 1st season had good games vs good-great teams.
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I don't think that it's just that he plays well against poor teams. He looked fantastic against Midtjyelland, and yes they're a very weak team, but it wasn't just that. In that game he actually did so much more and tried so much more than he does usually. He ran with purpose and pace, he took defenders on, his passing and crossing were great and he was hitting shots on target. I could tell as the game was happening that he felt like he could beat them, and he did. Yes they were a weak team, but it's not as if all our other "top" players were making them look like mugs in the way that he was. A lot of our players looked as ordinary as they usually do.

He needs to sort out his head, I genuinely think that's the main thing. He also probably does need to lose some weight, as he looked much more agile for PSV when he wasn't so bulky. I'm not saying he'll be a worldbeater but he has more talent than he's shown for us, I'm sure of it. Having said that, the posters saying that it's worth nothing unless he can apply it in a match are totally right. I want him to have one more season with us to see if he can pull it back.
 
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